Battlefield 4 went from a VGA to HDMI and now the refresh rate is 59.94Hz

[wingman04]

After Going from VGA to HDMI connection my monitor refresh rate went from 60Hz to 59.94 Hz. I wanted to see if HDMI connected to my GTX 970 and Samsung LS27E390HS was better than a VGA connection, however while trying to play battlefield 4 it is now horrible, not buttery smooth and jittery. When I looked at the BF4 settings I noticed that the refresh rate was 59.94 so I know now it is out of sync. After trying many things like uninstalling the Drivers, reset the monitor to factory default also a new HDMI cable, I'm out of ideas.

Has anyone run into this problem of BF4 showing a sync refresh rate of 59.94 Hz with HDMI? also looking for a solution otherwise i'm going to have to go back to VGA cord hookup at 1920x1080 at 60Hz.

Does BF3 or BF4 or Warframe run at a even 60-120-144Hz in the Battlefield or Wareframe screen menu With HDMI or DisplayPort on anyone's PC?

If it is not perfectly synced like G sync or free sync so I get stutter also it is not buttery smooth, I also have lag.

Here is a G-sync video of the sync that I'm talking about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT8f_1oRsLU

 

[aigomorla]

Since this issue pertains to a Nvidia card, i am half tempted to move it over to there as you may recieve a better answer.

If you dont get any productive reply's i'll move it over to the Nvidia section.

 

[XavierMace]

You realize just because you see a refresh rate of 60hz, that doesn't mean it's synchronized, right?

 

[Rakehellion]

Your monitor might be 59.94Hz. Some just round it up.

Can you go back to VGA to see if it fixes the problem?

 

[Midwayman]

You can change monitor refresh in BF4. I have mine set to 100hz over hdmi (I use a strobing monitor and 100fps is what I can do reliably, it goes to 144hz) Either there or check on your desktop what your refresh is. You monitor probably supports a number of different rates.

 

[wingman04]

You realize just because you see a refresh rate of 60hz, that doesn't mean it's synchronized, right?

I use a GTX 970 with adaptive V sync and a 1920X1080p resolution so the FPS are locked at a perfect 60FPS. It all runs like G-sync, however I don't have a G- sync monitor with variable refresh rate Hz. My GPU usage runs at 60-80% like a governor to keep the solid 60 FPS.

Your monitor might be 59.94Hz. Some just round it up.
Can you go back to VGA to see if it fixes the problem?

Yes I can go back to VGA connector and I did, it works vary vary buttery smooth with no lag, however I want a 1070 and it has no VGA.

You can change monitor refresh in BF4. I have mine set to 100hz over hdmi (I use a strobing monitor and 100fps is what I can do reliably, it goes to 144hz) Either there or check on your desktop what your refresh is. You monitor probably supports a number of different rates.

Thanks for everyone's replies so far. This post is vary interesting. What is a strobing monitor? Is it where the LED lights flash at a faster speed than the panel FPS? Can you use a even 60Hz in BF4 menu? What is your monitor? The only speed I can select for HDMI is 1080p at 59.94Hz and that is out of sync with my solid 60 FPS.

 

[Sabrewings]

Did you try turning off adaptive vsync and try normal vsync?

 

[wingman04]

Did you try turning off adaptive vsync and try normal vsync?

It is not a FPS issue, it is a monitor even 60Hz is what I'm looking for.

 

[Midwayman]

Thanks for everyone's replies so far. This post is vary interesting. What is a strobing monitor? Is it where the LED lights flash at a faster speed than the panel FPS? Can you use a even 60Hz in BF4 menu? What is your monitor? The only speed I can select for HDMI is 1080p at 59.94Hz and that is out of sync with my solid 60 FPS.

Strobing just means it flashes like CRTs used to do. The most common name for it is ULMB that is on nvidia 3d enabled monitors (generally 120hz and up.) What it does is decrease the amount of motion blur considerably. Its especially useful for fps and being able to pick out targets at a distance while looking around constantly. The LED flashes at whatever your refresh rate is, but generally only is enabled at about 75hz and up. I have access to all my refresh rates in bf4.

Have you checked your windows display options? Can you set it to something else there? You can enable 'non supported' display modes if they aren't auto detected for your monitor.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

This might be working as intended, 59.94Hz generally is 60Hz for video (2 x 29.97). Unless you have a separate option specifically for 59Hz it's probably just what you're going to get going over HDMI. I also don't think it's what's causing your choppiness. If you're running with vsync, gsync, or whatever, 59.94Hz is what it's syncing your frame rate to.

 

[wingman04]

This might be working as intended, 59.94Hz generally is 60Hz for video (2 x 29.97). Unless you have a separate option specifically for 59Hz it's probably just what you're going to get going over HDMI. I also don't think it's what's causing your choppiness. If you're running with vsync, gsync, or whatever, 59.94Hz is what it's syncing your frame rate to.

I have a even 60Hz with VGA connection to my monitor.

Strobing just means it flashes like CRTs used to do. The most common name for it is ULMB that is on nvidia 3d enabled monitors (generally 120hz and up.) What it does is decrease the amount of motion blur considerably. Its especially useful for fps and being able to pick out targets at a distance while looking around constantly. The LED flashes at whatever your refresh rate is, but generally only is enabled at about 75hz and up. I have access to all my refresh rates in bf4.

Have you checked your windows display options? Can you set it to something else there? You can enable 'non supported' display modes if they aren't auto detected for your monitor.

With HDMI connection I have set custom resolution it to 61Hz and it was a even 61Hz in BF3 with selection also I tried 50.06 and BF4 showed that.

Do you have a even 60Hz in the BF4 Game? If you do have a even 60Hz what GPU also monitor and connection do you have?

 

[Anteaus]

Mine does the same thing. Its your monitor and there is nothing wrong with it.

 

[wingman04]

Mine does the same thing. Its your monitor and there is nothing wrong with it.

I went from my VGA connection to HDMI that is when I noticed something wrong, that is how I came to the forums to figure this out.

Well I need to know for sure before spending more money on a monitor.

I'm also in contact with NVidia and they never heard such a thing as 59.94Hz resolution.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

I have a even 60Hz with VGA connection to my monitor.

Yeah, VGA isn't HDMI. I'm not trying to be snarky, but there are differences. A DVI or DVI -> HDMI cable might get you back to "exactly" 60 (there's still some deviation, probably as much or more than the .06Hz) if your card has the output. But I'm pretty sure you're chasing the wrong problem here.

 

[flexy]

This is a very good explanation here:

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=301860

Short: It's not a bug, or a "problem", this is just how it is.

IF a game should have problems with the fact that Windows or a driver is rounding, but the game is having problem...it's a problem with shitty coding, NOT a monitor problem or window problems.

There is tons of this on the internet, in fact I myself once "fixed" this, I don't know anymore how, possible this solution here:

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/33641-screen-refresh-rate-custom-nvidia-brand.html

Actually, thinking about it, I might have used this utility:

http://www.monitortests.com/forum/Thread-Custom-Resolution-Utility-CRU

Because I don't see that I have any custom resolutions.

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I'm also in contact with NVidia and they never heard such a thing as 59.94Hz resolution.
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Whoever said this is an idiot. This "issue" is well known. It's not a "monitor problem" and spending more money on a monitor won't solve this. The above utility should be able to set everything to "60hz" even if technically "60hz" is not even correct (since the real frequency is indeed 59.94), so it helps to avoid any potential issues from rounding.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

If hard coded refresh rates in the game (shitty indeed) are causing the problem, forcing it to run in a borderless window should work around it too.
http://westechsolutions.net/sites/WindowedBorderlessGaming/

 

[VashHT]

Did you check your desktop refresh rate? Sometimes games won't let you go higher than that. I've seen refresh rates like this before, but usually 60Hz is an option as well, from what I've heard the slightly lower refresh rates are used if 60Hz is problematic.

 

[wingman04]

This is a very good explanation here:

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=301860

Short: It's not a bug, or a "problem", this is just how it is.

IF a game should have problems with the fact that Windows or a driver is rounding, but the game is having problem...it's a problem with shitty coding, NOT a monitor problem or window problems.

There is tons of this on the internet, in fact I myself once "fixed" this, I don't know anymore how, possible this solution here:

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/33641-screen-refresh-rate-custom-nvidia-brand.html

Actually, thinking about it, I might have used this utility:

http://www.monitortests.com/forum/Thread-Custom-Resolution-Utility-CRU

Because I don't see that I have any custom resolutions.

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I'm also in contact with NVidia and they never heard such a thing as 59.94Hz resolution.
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Whoever said this is an idiot. This "issue" is well known. It's not a "monitor problem" and spending more money on a monitor won't solve this. The above utility should be able to set everything to "60hz" even if technically "60hz" is not even correct (since the real frequency is indeed 59.94), so it helps to avoid any potential issues from rounding.

When I run VGA connection to my new monitor I have a actual even 60FPS. I read they came up on 59.94Hz do to the confusion that in photographing movies some people think it gives better looking video.
So there might be monitors that run a even 60Hz-120Hz-144Hz with HDMI. I go back-and-forth with VGA connection and HDMI connection with my system and a even 60hz VGA is better.

Here is a G-sync video of the sync that I'm talking about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT8f_1oRsLU

If hard coded refresh rates in the game (shitty indeed) are causing the problem, forcing it to run in a borderless window should work around it too.
http://westechsolutions.net/sites/WindowedBorderlessGaming/

The games allow me to select Hz options, just not 60Hz

Did you check your desktop refresh rate? Sometimes games won't let you go higher than that. I've seen refresh rates like this before, but usually 60Hz is an option as well, from what I've heard the slightly lower refresh rates are used if 60Hz is problematic.

Yes I checked desktop resolution, it says it is 60Hz however it is not.

 

[XavierMace]

You do understand G-Sync requires a G-Sync monitor, correct? Just having a monitor running at 60hz and framerate locked at 60fps is not the same thing.

 

[wingman04]

You do understand G-Sync requires a G-Sync monitor, correct? Just having a monitor running at 60hz and framerate locked at 60fps is not the same thing.

This is the cool part my video card is a GTX 970 and the resolution it has to push is 1920X1080 at a even 60Hz with a VGA connection using adaptive Vsync. So I make sure that my GPU load is at 50-80% playing any game so the FPS always stays at 60FPS matching my monitor refresh rate of a even 60Hz.

The difference of G-sync compared to what I'm doing is the monitor refresh rate moves down according to FPS drop.

 

[bystander36]

As has been said many times, it doesn't matter if you are at 60hz, or 59.94hz. There is absolutely no discernible difference. Even with V-sync on. Instead of 16.667ms frame times, you'll have ~16.668ms frame times. Big whoop.

If you don't have G-sync, you shouldn't be talking about G-sync.

 

[flexy]

The point is, it SHOULD not matter. This is what Vsync does. Whether your resolution is at 59.94, 58, 60 or whatever, the signal from the card tells the monitor the EXACT time when the new frame happens. And without Vsync of course the issue doesn't even come up.

The issue only happens if some app/game has somewhere hardcoded that it expects a true 60hz while the actual one is 59.94 or 59 even.

I think I remember that I had the issue and I fixed it with this "CRU" utility I linked above, mainly for GTA. Whether the "issue" actually caused stutters or whether I just did it for placebo/cosmetic reasons (desktop showing resolution at 59 but game at 60) etc. I honestly don't remember.

 

[wingman04]

This is the cool part my video card is a GTX 970 and the resolution it has to push is 1920X1080 at a even 60Hz with a VGA connection using adaptive Vsync. So I make sure that my GPU load is at 50-80% playing any game so the FPS always stays at 60FPS matching my monitor refresh rate of a even 60Hz.

The difference of G-sync compared to what I'm doing is the monitor refresh rate moves down according to FPS drop.

As has been said many times, it doesn't matter if you are at 60hz, or 59.94hz. There is absolutely no discernible difference. Even with V-sync on. Instead of 16.667ms frame times, you'll have ~16.668ms frame times. Big whoop.

If you don't have G-sync, you shouldn't be talking about G-sync.

I talk about G-sync because the FPS line up perfectly with the monitor refresh rate, in my case it is 60Hz. Have you seen the video of the FPS syncing with the refresh rate and if it does not? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT8f_1oRsLU

The point is, it SHOULD not matter. This is what Vsync does. Whether your resolution is at 59.94, 58, 60 or whatever, the signal from the card tells the monitor the EXACT time when the new frame happens. And without Vsync of course the issue doesn't even come up.

The issue only happens if some app/game has somewhere hardcoded that it expects a true 60hz while the actual one is 59.94 or 59 even.

I think I remember that I had the issue and I fixed it with this "CRU" utility I linked above, mainly for GTA. Whether the "issue" actually caused stutters or whether I just did it for placebo/cosmetic reasons (desktop showing resolution at 59 but game at 60) etc. I honestly don't remember.

I use adaptive vsync and it does not run at 59.94FPS it runs at 60FPS so it is not perfectly lining up with the refresh rate of 59.94Hz

You need a perfect vsync of FPS and refresh rate to have buttery smooth game play. Have you seen this link? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT8f_1oRsLU

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

How are you even measuring? And what are you looking for from the forum? You've had 1. CRU and 2. borderless window suggested with no indication you've actually tried them or anything else to fix whatever problem you seem to think you're having. Another suggestion is limiting your framerate to 59 or not using adaptive vsync at all. Or you can just hook your VGA cable back up. Or go ahead and get a gsync monitor since you keep posting that irrelevant video over and over. But there's nothing inherently "wrong" with 59.94Hz. It's more of a standard than a flat 60Hz:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTSC
If something isn't working correctly with it at this point that's what is at fault.

 

[maevinj]

So, why not just use the VGA cable? Are you getting sound through your monitor?