Batteries Can Pose Fire Risk to Planes

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Batteries Can Pose Fire Risk to Planes
By Peter Eisler and Alan Levin
USA Today
(March 6) - A rash of fires on planes has spurred the government to plan new restrictions on how airline passengers may carry lithium batteries used to power laptop computers and cellphones.

The Department of Transportation, which already bars bulk shipments of some lithium batteries on passenger planes, expects to propose more restrictions later this year, said Bob Richard of the DOT's Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration.

While the agency has no immediate plans to ban the batteries from carry-on luggage, he said, the risks of batteries in airplane cabins are being studied. Restrictions on carrying the batteries in checked items are possible, Richard said.

"We recognize that the American public wants to be able to carry their batteries and electronic equipment aboard aircraft, but we have to weigh the safety issues," he said. "Any fire aboard an aircraft is unacceptable."

Fire safety officials, airline pilots and consumer groups are pushing for new rules on the batteries. At least nine fires involving lithium batteries have happened on airplanes or in cargo destined for planes since 2005, according to federal safety records reviewed by USA TODAY. None of the fires caused serious injuries.

Until new rules are in place, Richard said, his agency and the Federal Aviation Administration are asking companies that make and ship the batteries to take voluntary steps to ease fire risks. The agencies also will launch a safety awareness campaign for passengers.

Lithium batteries come in two types: lithium metal, which are single-use, and lithium-ion, which can be recharged. Both store energy that generates intense heat during a short circuit. A short can occur if metal touches both terminals or if internal seals fail.

Some low-cost or counterfeit batteries lack safeguards against short circuits, and manufacturing defects have rendered such protections useless in others. In the last year, more than 4 million lithium batteries have been recalled for such problems.

Battery industry representatives acknowledge that new cargo restrictions may be needed. They also have agreed to set voluntary standards on packaging and labeling shipments. But they see no need to bar laptops or other devices on planes.

"Bringing these onto an aircraft doesn't present any additional danger, provided you take care of your batteries," said George Kerchner, head of the Portable Rechargeable Battery Association.

Bulk shipments of lithium metal batteries were banned on passenger flights in 2004, in part because fires in those batteries are especially hard to put out. But the Air Line Pilots Association, the largest pilots union, wants cargo flights included in the ban, too.

The National Association of State Fire Marshals says bulk transport of lithium-ion batteries also should be restricted, particularly on passenger flights. But Maine State Fire Marshal John Dean, president of the association, said the question of whether to ban the rechargeable batteries in carry-on items needs more study.

A battery fire in a carry-on bag would be more easily detected and controlled by crew, Dean said. And, given the popularity of laptops and cellphones, banning them in carry-ons would be difficult.

Regulators "are caught in the middle," Dean said. "But if you think about being on a passenger plane and one of these catches fire - even if the crew can control it, that's a bad situation with all the smoke."
 

fallensight

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Well, if you wanted to totally bankrupt the airlines, banning all phones and laptops would do the trick.
 

OutHouse

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i was wondering if this would happen after all those videos of dell laptops going up in balls of flame were posted and reported on. i think i even made a comment in one thread about the laptops exploding that went something like "God could you image if that happed at 30K feet?"
 

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Originally posted by: fallensight
Well, if you wanted to totally bankrupt the airlines, banning all phones and laptops would do the trick.

either that or we'll soon start seeing uber cheap aftermarket disposable cell phone batteries available at most convenient stores.
 

SagaLore

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There is a really simple solution to this.

"Battery cases". They would be fireproof/smokeproof. It would certainly stop everyone from turning stuff on when they're not supposed to.
 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: fallensight
Well, if you wanted to totally bankrupt the airlines, banning all phones and laptops would do the trick.

Right because no one would fly anymore.
:roll:
 

preslove

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I doubt this is going to happen. Too many businessmen use them. I can't imagine the incidences of actual fires really justifies such a drastic measure.
 

Kaervak

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Know what else poses a huge fire risk to planes? Those huge tanks filled with jet fuel.


Yeah I know, jet fuel is probably rather hard to ignite in the fuel tanks, it's a sarcastic joke.
 

SSSnail

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Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Soon enough, chewing gum will be banned too.
In the very famous words of Jack Sparrow "Clearly you've never been to Singapore" ;)
 

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Originally posted by: preslove
I doubt this is going to happen. Too many businessmen use them. I can't imagine the incidences of actual fires really justifies such a drastic measure.

Yup...nine batteries exploded on the ground due to Sony's horrible quality control. If the FAA institue this it will really be the end of airline travel. OTOH, this is exactly what British Airlines has done recently (you can only board with your passport, id, and necessary medications).

Originally posted by: BillGates
This is all Sony's fault, just like everything else wrong in the world.

HA HA HA...your user name makes this even funnier!
 

IGBT

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Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Soon enough, chewing gum will be banned too.


..I can see it now. Plastic bins full confiscated of laptop batts at the airpot.
 

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Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Soon enough, chewing gum will be banned too.

Funny this is mentioned because smokers that carry chewing gum stand out. Why? They'll chew the gum briefly and use it to seal off a lavatory smoke detector so they can smoke in the john. :Q If the detector is twisted out of the socket a trouble indicator will illuminate in the cockpit and trouble it is - for the people in the john! :laugh:

Li poly cells, while very efficient at storage and delivery of energy that our ever more compact devices we carry depend on, are safe for the most part. Problem is when a fault occurs and it goes up in flames you have a good chance of igniting a small class D fire. All fires are bad, class D fires are worse and one with limited amount of breathable O2 at 38,000 feet can be tragic. Even though a limited amount of class D fuel is available, expulsion of nasty compounds that can create severe respiratory distress is likely. If this should happen at the time of deployment of oxygen masks, the results could be disastrous.

Enforcing this rule will be difficult no doubt. Hopefully this investigation takes time because in this time better cells will be made along with improved ancillary safeguards to prevent accidents. :)

Originally posted by: IGBT

..I can see it now. Plastic bins full confiscated of laptop batts at the airpot.


That would be great and even inviting to all the battery geeks - lots of goodies run on 18650's. The 2.5 Ah variety are of particular use. ;)
 

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Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Soon enough, chewing gum will be banned too.

Pretty soon ejaculating on the person next to you will be banned too. :|
 

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Originally posted by: Jawo
Originally posted by: preslove
I doubt this is going to happen. Too many businessmen use them. I can't imagine the incidences of actual fires really justifies such a drastic measure.

Yup...nine batteries exploded on the ground due to Sony's horrible quality control. If the FAA institue this it will really be the end of airline travel. OTOH, this is exactly what British Airlines has done recently (you can only board with your passport, id, and necessary medications).

Originally posted by: BillGates
This is all Sony's fault, just like everything else wrong in the world.

HA HA HA...your user name makes this even funnier!

Seriously? Need a link on that one.

I see nothing on their site about it.
 

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Originally posted by: Jawo
Yup...nine batteries exploded on the ground due to Sony's horrible quality control. If the FAA institue this it will really be the end of airline travel. OTOH, this is exactly what British Airlines has done recently (you can only board with your passport, id, and necessary medications).

Why do people keep saying this? :confused:
 

Jeff7

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I hate when manufacturers take shortcuts that can lead to dangerous products. It's a flat-out ethical violation.
Lithium batteries are not something to be toyed around with.



Originally posted by: MS Dawn
:shocked:

And they wonder why this happens. ;)
I'm so very glad you keep stuff like that handy.
:laugh: