Discussion Baseball too White/NBA too Black?

[dawp]

Have you considered that it could be a function of location and economics, which in turn is a function of our "wonderful" history of disenfranchisement and white supremacy?

Hockey, for example, is horrendously expensive, and requires an expensive, specialized arena - an ice rink. So the requirements to even play the game mean it's more likely to occur in wealthy, suburban areas with the space to build an ice rink in the first place (which, in America, basically means white people).

Baseball requires large fields and has "moderate" gear requirements IMO - probably not as much as hockey, but also not as little as basketball.

Basketball, by contrast, requires very little in the way of social or personal economic investment. A basketball court can be put almost anywhere, and requires minimal maintenance. Player gear is also minimal - basketball shoes and a ball.

As for football, that one is a bit of a headscratcher to me, because football requires a fair amount of padding and gear like hockey, but also a fairly sizable field like baseball.

Soccer needs the same size field as football, but also minimal gear (shoes, shin pads, ball)

how is football a head scratcher? it's mostly played in a school environment where the school provides the equipment where as hockey is mostly played(in the US at least) by individuals who join the teams of their choice and are not school based. school based hockey is not that common in this country.

 

[manly]

His contract with FOX ended and he's working for ESPN now. Can't call the World Series if it's on FOX.

Good riddance. Joe Buck has a slick announcer's voice, but terrible knowledge of most sports he calls. Unfortunately he still works MNF, but there's always the Manning cast.

 

[Captante]

His contract with FOX ended and he's working for ESPN now. Can't call the World Series if it's on FOX.

I don't really care what the explanation is, I'm just thrilled I don't have to listen to that moron as much anymore!

In fact all I have to do is skip MNF completely from now on and I can avoid Joe Fvck 100% !!!

 

[brandonbull]

We make way too much about race in this country. How diverse is baseball in Korea? Or, how diverse is soccer in Brazil, China, or Spain?

African Americans aren't drawn into baseball like they are in football, and basketball. So what? How many blacks are their in Nascar, pro golf, or tennis.

The Progressheviks are race baiters and have nothing else to offer other than perpetual victims and unrest. They treat minorities in such a disrespectful, condescending, and inhuman manner that it is unreal.

 

[Muse]

His contract with FOX ended and he's working for ESPN now. Can't call the World Series if it's on FOX.

Good news for me because I don't get ESPN unless they are channeled by ABC. Can't imagine them using him to call NBA games. Hopefully not NFL either. But ABC does have a limited footprint broadcasting NFL

Since 2021, under the branding ESPN Monday Night Football on ABC, ABC simulcasts and exclusively airs selected Monday Night Football games, two Saturday games during Week 18, one Wild Card playoff game, and the Pro Bowl with ESPN. In 2027 and 2031, ABC will air the Super Bowl.

 

[13Gigatons]

I'm stuck on the thread title, TBH. Was "to" intentional as a directional cue or an error where "too" was intended.

Grammar is a weak spot for me....I was going to look it up before posting but why.....

 

[13Gigatons]

The OP has complained about diversity and why should we care. I present to you 2 pictures taken a year apart. Picture #1 is Barack Obama's last intern class. The second is Trump's 1st intern class. What do you see and why should it be an issue?

Here's a side by side. Trump had one darkie and they put him as far away from Trump as possible

I have a question for the OP, why should we care about diversity in America? However I'm sure the OP is fine with black people picking up his trash or babysitting his kids. Then again probably not the latter.

If the OP either doesn't have an answer or refuses to answer I will later. Let's give him a chance.

It sucks being Black in America.....It also sucks being Black in Zambia.

 

[zinfamous]

The Progressheviks are race baiters and have nothing else to offer other than perpetual victims and unrest. They treat minorities in such a disrespectful, condescending, and inhuman manner that it is unreal.

where's the beef?

 

[pmv]

Major League Baseball has a diversity problem, experts say. This year's World Series is proof | CNN

Dario Otero Jr., affectionately known as DJ, admires Jackie Robinson for making history as the first Black American to play Major League Baseball.

www.cnn.com

Black players currently compose about 7% of Major League Baseball teams, in comparison to the 18% of Black players the league had in 1991.

NBA on the other hand:
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Curious who the Asian basketball player(s) is/are from about 2016 onwards. Had so copy-and-past the image and zoom in in a photo-editor to see it!

Surely much of that is entirely about height? The average NBA player is apparently 6'6", about 9" taller than the average American male. Presumably that alone mostly explains the paucity of Asians, even excluding things like networking effects?

For black people in baseball, no idea, though presumably it's much like with football ("soccer") - a combination of historical networking effects, geography and naked racism? Is there (as there is with soccer) a history of black baseball players getting racist abuse from fans when playing?

 

[Zorba]

Curious who the Asian basketball player(s) is/are from about 2016 onwards. Had so copy-and-past the image and zoom in in a photo-editor to see it!

Surely much of that is entirely about height? The average NBA player is apparently 6'6", about 9" taller than the average American male. Presumably that alone mostly explains the paucity of Asians, even excluding things like networking effects?

For black people in baseball, no idea, though presumably it's much like with football ("soccer") - a combination of historical networking effects, geography and naked racism? Is there (as there is with soccer) a history of black baseball players getting racist abuse from fans when playing?

Baseball used to be the more prestigious sport with by far the most opportunities. Since the 90s, it's been replaced by basketball and football, so the best athletes are attracted to those sports. Especially the best athletes that don't have the means to play multiple sports as a kid.

 

[HomerJS]

It sucks being Black in America.....It also sucks being Black in Zambia.

I'll interpret for @13Gigatons because he won't say it directly.

Who cares if those spooks are not afforded the opportunities for some of the most prestigious internships in the country. Great on the resume and affords top contacts. My hero Trump put things back to the way they should be, for us white people only.

Why can't those black people go back to internships in the local sanitation department?

Eventually baseball will achieve equilibrium before that darkie Jackie Robinson disgraced Major League Baseball with his presence.

 

[manly]

I don't really care what the explanation is, I'm just thrilled I don't have to listen to that moron as much anymore!

In fact all I have to do is skip MNF completely from now on and I can avoid Joe Fvck 100% !!!

What I truly don't get is why Joe Buck has won prestigious awards for sportscasting. Maybe it's just the fact that he's the son of a real legend, because subjectively he sucks ass as a commentator or announcer, whatever you want to call it. Like I said, you can watch MNF on ESPN2 for the Manning bros. Eli also sucks, but Peyton could have a very lucrative career as a color commentator if he wants it.

 

[hal2kilo]

MLB went to shit when they demoted "Take me out to the ball game" for "God Bless America" for the 7th inning break. Almost, as bad as the local Mariners replacing Loui Loui as the follow up to the traditional 7th inning break song, with a McLamore song.
Stepping down from my soapbox.

 

[vi edit]

I think the lockout in 94 did irreversible damage to the league.

 

[13Gigatons]

I'll interpret for @13Gigatons because he won't say it directly.

Who cares if those spooks are not afforded the opportunities for some of the most prestigious internships in the country. Great on the resume and affords top contacts. My hero Trump put things back to the way they should be, for us white people only.

Why can't those black people go back to internships in the local sanitation department?

Eventually baseball will achieve equilibrium before that darkie Jackie Robinson disgraced Major League Baseball with his presence.

Sp**ks is offensive and I really don't get how you are using such a term on this board.

You assume I am white and that I voted for trump. I did not.

I don't have a problem with Obama or Trump hiring whoever they want. I would guess that many POC would NEVER accept an offer from Trump. Most people refused to work for Trump.

 

[HomerJS]

Sp**ks is offensive and I really don't get how you are using such a term on this board.

You assume I am white and that I voted for trump. I did not.

I don't have a problem with Obama or Trump hiring whoever they want. I would guess that many POC would NEVER accept an offer from Trump. Most people refused to work for Trump.

Stumbled into the big picture didn’t cha?

White people in power hiring who they want absent diversity pressure gets you Trumps intern picture. It’s not always onerous like Trump and the Republicans but people often tend to hire people that look like them and people of color get locked out of more prestigious positions.

Diversity does not mean quotas it means making a little extra effort to ensure you workforce looks more like America and not homogeneous.

1 black person as far away from Trump as possible is so telling Stevie Wonder could see it.

BTW - I don’t assume anything just respond to your rants. You hate diversity which gives people like me a chance. This not only applies to POC, for years men tended to hire men. Fortunately that has improved over the years

Have hope, you may yet get your dream of an all lily white MLB league once again

 

[manly]

I think the lockout in 94 did irreversible damage to the league.

Disagreed. The PEDs era was rocking for MLB while it lasted LOL. As with all "major" pro sports in the U.S., MLB has grown revenue at staggering rates in the past decade. They're very solidly in third place status, which is nothing to brag about but franchise owners are enjoying the run up in valuation.

On an unrelated note, I read last month that a small stake in MLS's D.C. United was sold, at an implied value of the franchise of $800M. That is a staggering amount, which suggests to me that many MLS teams are a Ponzi scheme (not literally), or at least operating on the "greater fool" theory. If a losing MLS team is valued at nearly $1B, then it follows most MLB franchises are worth a lot more.

I don't know if it was mentioned in this thread, but there are still a significant number of Black Latinos in MLB. Although they emerge from a completely different pipeline, we can't just ignore them and claim there are no Black players in the World Series.

 

[Captante]

MLB went to shit when they demoted "Take me out to the ball game" for "God Bless America" for the 7th inning break. Almost, as bad as the local Mariners replacing Loui Loui as the follow up to the traditional 7th inning break song, with a McLamore song.
Stepping down from my soapbox.

The Met's still play "Take me out to the ballgame" EVERY 7th inning stretch. (although they do change up other stuff they play during the game)

 

[Maxima1]

Stumbled into the big picture didn’t cha?

White people in power hiring who they want absent diversity pressure gets you Trumps intern picture. It’s not always onerous like Trump and the Republicans but people often tend to hire people that look like them and people of color get locked out of more prestigious positions.

1 black person as far away from Trump as possible is so telling Stevie Wonder could see it.

Trivial point against typical corporate and govee hiring practices.

Diversity does not mean quotas it means making a little extra effort to ensure you workforce looks more like America and not homogeneous.

Why should the workforce look like the population demographics if there is a full standard deviation in IQ? Justice warriors like to say education is super important, yet then act as if it doesn't matter in the end.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYgCbp4XkAEwRbD?format=png&name=small

You hate diversity which gives people like me a chance.

Even when they had an objectively better household, other people punch above them. People like to pretend every black person in consideration comes from the bottom quartile and every white person comes from the top quartile.

 

[manly]

As if on cue, Astros slugger Yordan Alvarez smashed the game-winning and WS-winning HR. He's Black and from Cuba, and one of the rising stars of the game.

 

[HomerJS]

As if on cue, Astros slugger Yordan Alvarez smashed the game-winning and WS-winning HR. He's Black and from Cuba, and one of the rising stars of the game.

As an angry Phillies fan for the record rumor has it Jean Segura will be let go. That will leave the team with only one person of color Seranthony Dominguez

 

[Greenman]

I'm stuck on the thread title, TBH. Was "to" intentional as a directional cue or an error where "too" was intended.

The op has most likely joined my boycott of the word "too". How many different spellings of a word do we need? Why are there three different spellings of "to" but only one for "lead"? Why does context define "lead" but "to" requires added letters to establish meaning? This insanity needs to be stopped.

 

[Greenman]

The OP has complained about diversity and why should we care. I present to you 2 pictures taken a year apart. Picture #1 is Barack Obama's last intern class. The second is Trump's 1st intern class. What do you see and why should it be an issue?

Here's a side by side. Trump had one darkie and they put him as far away from Trump as possible

I have a question for the OP, why should we care about diversity in America? However I'm sure the OP is fine with black people picking up his trash or babysitting his kids. Then again probably not the latter.

If the OP either doesn't have an answer or refuses to answer I will later. Let's give him a chance.

Google say's this is Joe's group of interns.

 

[fskimospy]

View attachment 70560Google say's this is Joe's group of interns.

The picture with Obama in the middle of it?

 

[brycejones]

View attachment 70560Google say's this is Joe's group of interns.

Have you had your vision checked lately?