Baseball: Mitchell Report: Sharing The Blame Comes out today.

[Vette73]

So the Mitchell Report comes out today. It has been leaked that roger clemens will be named. Of course 40-80 more players will be there as well.
So if a player is named and outed for roids/performance drugs what should happen? I feel they should lose any records they have and also be banned from the HoF. I think Pete Rose should not be in the hall and also Barry Roids Bonds should have his records removed from the book and no HoF. If Roger also cheated i think he should hold the same fate as Bonds as well.


Mitchell Report story

Roger Clemens to be named in report.


THE Report in PDF


Compiled from here: http://www.wnbc.com/download/2007/1213/14847408.pdf

Adam Piatt
Adam Riggs
Andy Pettitte
Barry Bonds
Bart Miadich
Benito Santiago
Bobby Estalella
Brendan Donnelly
Brian Roberts
Chad Allen
Chris Donnels
Chuck Knoblauch
Cody McKay
Daniel Naulty
Darren Holmes
David Bell
David Justice
David Segui
Denny Neagle
Eric Gagné
Exavier Logan
F.P. Santangelo
Fernando Vina
Gary Bennett, Jr.
Gary Matthews, Jr.
Gary Sheffield
Glenallen Hill
Gregg Zaun
Hal Morris
Howie Clark
Ismael Valdez
Jack Cust
Jason Christiansen
Jason Giambi
Jason Grimsley
Jeff Williams
Jeremy Giambi
Jerry Hairston, Jr.
Jim Parque
John Rocker
Jose Canseco
Jose Gullien
Josias Manzanillo
Kent Mercker
Kevin Brown
Kevin Young
Larry Bigbie
Lenny Dykstra
Mark Carreon
Marvin Benard
Matt Franco
Matt Herges
Matt Williams
Miguel Tejada
Mike Judd
Mike Lansing
Mike Stanton
Mo Vaughn
Nook Logan
Paul Lo Duca
Randy Velarde
Rick Ankiel
Rodger Clemens
Todd Pratt
Troy Glaus

http://www.pikindaguy.com/tien...chell-list-just-names/




Bonds might have been warned of tests

Barry Bonds and his supporters often pointed to the fact that the home run king never flunked a drug test administered by Major League Baseball.

The Mitchell Report suggests why: it appears Bonds received advanced warning of two tests in 2003.

According to the report, Bonds was tested for steroid use on May 28 and June 4, 2003 as part of MLB's first attempt at formal detection. The report cites a San Francisco Chronicle report that it had obtained a tape recording of Bonds' personal trainer Greg Anderson boasting he received advanced notice of the testing. Anderson purportedly said on the recording that he was told the 2003 testing would occur in late May or early June.

"Therefore," the report said, "if the report of this conversation is accurate Anderson correctly predicted the dates of testing, at least for his client Barry Bonds."

 

[ElFenix]

OH MY GOODNESS ROGER CLEMENS IS STANDING IN GEORGE STEINBRENNER'S BOX. ROGER CLEMENS IS A NEW YORK YANKEE

 

[dbk]

I say put him in...but Buster Olney says the writers probably won't.

 

[raystorm]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
OH MY GOODNESS ROGER CLEMENS IS STANDING IN GEORGE STEINBRENNER'S BOX. ROGER CLEMENS IS A NEW YORK YANKEE

OH MY GOODNESS...GOODNESS GRACIOUS!!!


That was pure hilarity.



Its been said that a number of former all-stars, mvps and future hall of famers will be on the list and if thats the case then this report will be monstrous. If its just filled with middle of the road players then nobody will care but big names will make this report something to look at.

According to ESPN.com, Roger Clemens will be named in George Mitchell's report on steroids, which is scheduled to be released Thursday afternoon.
The Bergen Record notes that "several" prominent Yankees will be named in the report, with one source telling the newspaper that "it's going to be a rough day in the Bronx." Brian McNamee, who worked a personal trainer for Clemens and Andy Pettitte, is said to have supplied Mitchell with information.

oh baby...should be plenty of Yanks and Mets on the list. Should be fun here in NYC on sportstalk radio.

 

[DBL]

If roids are the difference between earning 25k for the New Orleans Zephyrs or earning 5million for the NY Mets, can you really blame them?

 

[jiggahertz]

No mets are named in the report.

 

[fallenangel99]

lets see how many people are going to * the players named in teh report, esp. after everyone wants to * Bonds

 

[jman19]

I'm sure lots of people are really shocked that Clemens is named in the report...

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: jman19
I'm sure lots of people are really shocked that Clemens is named in the report...

Sarcasm?

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: jman19
I'm sure lots of people are really shocked that Clemens is named in the report...

Sarcasm?

Most definitely

 

[umbrella39]

And Pete Rose can't get into the HOF because he bet on his own team to win.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: umbrella39
And Pete Rose can't get into the HOF because he bet on his own team to win.

According to him.
We don't really know what his bets were.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: fallenangel99
lets see how many people are going to * the players named in teh report, esp. after everyone wants to * Bonds

Why would it be any different? If someone cheated, I don't think they deserve to have their "records" recognized.

I do think Pete Rose should be in the hall of fame (unless he also cheated). I think it's absurd that the penalty for gambling is far more than the penalty for cheating in baseball.

 

[Queasy]

My money is on John Koncak being mentioned in the report. There's no way he wasn't on roids.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: fallenangel99
lets see how many people are going to * the players named in teh report, esp. after everyone wants to * Bonds

Why would it be any different? If someone cheated, I don't think they deserve to have their "records" recognized.

I do think Pete Rose should be in the hall of fame (unless he also cheated). I think it's absurd that the penalty for gambling is far more than the penalty for cheating in baseball.

This is why Pete is not in...

"Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played."
http://web.baseballhalloffame.org/hofers/bbwaa.jsp

He bet while mangaing a team in baseball. I fell his records and stats should stand but he does not fit the profile and rules for being in the HoF. The HoF is not just about records, even though most think it is. For that reason I do not think he should be in. Of course neither should Bonds.

 

[boatillo]

As long as John Smoltz isn't on the list I don't care. One of the last true ball-players imho.

 

[jman19]

There is a leaked report going around... it is probably baloney but includes some big names on there...

A bunch of no shocker names on there, but also guys like Pujols, Pettitte, Varitek, Damon, Prior, Tejada, Gagne, the Boone bros (always had a feeling about Bret), Bagwell... lots of bums on the list too. Of course, these "leaked" names are probably BS, but I can see all of those guys having juiced.

 

[compman25]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: fallenangel99
lets see how many people are going to * the players named in teh report, esp. after everyone wants to * Bonds

Why would it be any different? If someone cheated, I don't think they deserve to have their "records" recognized.

I do think Pete Rose should be in the hall of fame (unless he also cheated). I think it's absurd that the penalty for gambling is far more than the penalty for cheating in baseball.

This is why Pete is not in...

"Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played."
http://web.baseballhalloffame.org/hofers/bbwaa.jsp

He bet while mangaing a team in baseball. I fell his records and stats should stand but he does not fit the profile and rules for being in the HoF. The HoF is not just about records, even though most think it is. For that reason I do not think he should be in. Of course neither should Bonds.

It doesn't mention "team coached". He should be in by the merits of his playing.

 

[boatillo]

Originally posted by: jman19
There is a leaked report going around... it is probably baloney but includes some big names on there...

A bunch of no shocker names on there, but also guys like Pujols, Pettitte, Varitek, Damon, Prior, Tejada, Gagne, the Boone bros (always had a feeling about Bret), Bagwell... lots of bums on the list too. Of course, these "leaked" names are probably BS, but I can see all of those guys having juiced.

Heh everyone had a knowing about Bret Boone. How else can you go from a scrawny Braves infielder to a 30 hr hulking Mariner?

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: jman19
There is a leaked report going around... it is probably baloney but includes some big names on there...

A bunch of no shocker names on there, but also guys like Pujols, Pettitte, Varitek, Damon, Prior, Tejada, Gagne, the Boone bros (always had a feeling about Bret), Bagwell... lots of bums on the list too. Of course, these "leaked" names are probably BS, but I can see all of those guys having juiced.

Damon? I would be shocked. He's such a thin little guy, he never looked bulked up at all.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: boatillo

Originally posted by: jman19
There is a leaked report going around... it is probably baloney but includes some big names on there...

A bunch of no shocker names on there, but also guys like Pujols, Pettitte, Varitek, Damon, Prior, Tejada, Gagne, the Boone bros (always had a feeling about Bret), Bagwell... lots of bums on the list too. Of course, these "leaked" names are probably BS, but I can see all of those guys having juiced.

Heh everyone had a knowing about Bret Boone. How else can you go from a scrawny Braves infielder to a 30 hr hulking Mariner?

Yeah, his MVP season smelled of BS from across the country

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: jman19
There is a leaked report going around... it is probably baloney but includes some big names on there...

A bunch of no shocker names on there, but also guys like Pujols, Pettitte, Varitek, Damon, Prior, Tejada, Gagne, the Boone bros (always had a feeling about Bret), Bagwell... lots of bums on the list too. Of course, these "leaked" names are probably BS, but I can see all of those guys having juiced.

Damon? I would be shocked. He's such a thin little guy, he never looked bulked up at all.

neither does Varitek, Pujols has always been a monster so unless hes has been juicing his entire life i call BS on that as well

 

[jman19]

BTW... here is the "supposed" list I saw... it probably is some blog nonsense floating around the net so don't put much stock in to it (the fact that Luis Gonzalez isn't on here is the biggest reason I think it is made up):

Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Barry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Franklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Mark McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez,Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, Jason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood.

 

[Mermaidman]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: fallenangel99
lets see how many people are going to * the players named in teh report, esp. after everyone wants to * Bonds

Why would it be any different? If someone cheated, I don't think they deserve to have their "records" recognized.

He's implying that people will not be as harsh on these players as they were on Bonds?

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: jman19
There is a leaked report going around... it is probably baloney but includes some big names on there...

A bunch of no shocker names on there, but also guys like Pujols, Pettitte, Varitek, Damon, Prior, Tejada, Gagne, the Boone bros (always had a feeling about Bret), Bagwell... lots of bums on the list too. Of course, these "leaked" names are probably BS, but I can see all of those guys having juiced.

Damon? I would be shocked. He's such a thin little guy, he never looked bulked up at all.

neither does Varitek, Pujols has always been a monster so unless hes has been juicing his entire life i call BS on that as well

Varitek is built like a rock. He's nothing like Damon. Damonis a scrawny little guy.