Baseball fans, explain somehting about the double play to me.

[busmaster11]

If you're a runner on first, and you see this weak line drive hit up the middle, do you have to run for second knowing it will be caught?

Or can you just run back to first just as the hitter is running to first, and make only one out?

 

[Corporate Thug]

i think the right thing to do is go about a third of the way to second

 

[theNEOone]

well yah, you can just edge your way towards second, but stay close enough to first so you can make it back b4 they score the double

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: shady06
i think the right thing to do is go about a third of the way to second

yup - you have to position yourself so as to be able to break for second if the ball is dropped or get back to first if it is caught.

 

[busmaster11]

Yeah, but what happens in these two scenarios?

1. you see the ball hit, you got back to first, ball gets to first, hitter gets to first?

2. you see the ball hit, you get back to first, hitter gets to first, ball gets to first?

Is there just one out in each of these scenarios?

 

[GasX]

if the runner is going to be safe at first, you can't stay there.

 

[theNEOone]

1. if the ball is caught, then it doesn't matter wut the hitter does. he's out already
2. if the ball gets to first, then i'm assuming that the fly ball was already caught.


....wut's so complicated here?

 

[777php]

you want to get to second base fast enough to do a hard slide into the second baseman hopefully knocking him over and affecting his throw to first.

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

there are some situations in baseball where you're screwed no matter what. Soft liners usually fall in that category, shallow pop-ups can also cause the same situation sometimes...

 

[busmaster11]

Originally posted by: theNEOone
1. if the ball is caught, then it doesn't matter wut the hitter does. he's out already
2. if the ball gets to first, then i'm assuming that the fly ball was already caught.


....wut's so complicated here?

Ball's a grounder up the middle, typical dp ball.

 

[ATLien247]

If it's a fly ball you should hesitate between 1st and 2nd, like mwilding said. But if it's a grounder, then you try to get to 2nd before the ball does.

 

[theNEOone]

just to clarify, that weak line drive is going to be caught mid-air, right?

 

[pennylane]

Originally posted by: busmaster11
If you're a runner on first, and you see this weak line drive hit up the middle, do you have to run for second knowing it will be caught?

Or can you just run back to first just as the hitter is running to first, and make only one out?

There would be 2 outs there because there would be a force out at 2nd base. And the hitter could be out at first.

If the defense just threw the ball to first, then there would only be one out. But if they go to 2nd, and then to 1st, they could get 2.

 

[busmaster11]

Originally posted by: fanerman91

Originally posted by: busmaster11
If you're a runner on first, and you see this weak line drive hit up the middle, do you have to run for second knowing it will be caught?

Or can you just run back to first just as the hitter is running to first, and make only one out?

There would be 2 outs there because there would be a force out at 2nd base. And the hitter could be out at first.

If the defense just threw the ball to first, then there would only be one out. But if they go to 2nd, and then to 1st, they could get 2.

Yeah see thats what always happens. But what if the runner anticipates this, and runs back to first instead of going to second? And he makes it back there before the ball does? Will there be one out instead of two?

 

[pennylane]

Originally posted by: busmaster11

Originally posted by: fanerman91

Originally posted by: busmaster11
If you're a runner on first, and you see this weak line drive hit up the middle, do you have to run for second knowing it will be caught?

Or can you just run back to first just as the hitter is running to first, and make only one out?

There would be 2 outs there because there would be a force out at 2nd base. And the hitter could be out at first.

If the defense just threw the ball to first, then there would only be one out. But if they go to 2nd, and then to 1st, they could get 2.

Yeah see thats what always happens. But what if the runner anticipates this, and runs back to first instead of going to second? And he makes it back there before the ball does? Will there be one out instead of two?

No. Because, assuming the defense is competent... they'd throw the ball to 2nd... getting the runner at 1st out. And then throwing the ball to 1st would get the hitter out.

 

[SammyBoy]

Originally posted by: busmaster11

Originally posted by: theNEOone
1. if the ball is caught, then it doesn't matter wut the hitter does. he's out already
2. if the ball gets to first, then i'm assuming that the fly ball was already caught.


....wut's so complicated here?

Ball's a grounder up the middle, typical dp ball.

lol you say this like you know what you're talking about

OK there are 2 different scenarios you've talked about so far, you can't switch between us and expect us to read your mind (a mind that doesn't know much about baseball too )

Anyhow

OK, soft liner (btw if you have ever thrown or caught a ball you'll know even a "soft" liner doesnt take too long to get to where it's going, if it's gonna be caught in the infield.).

Anyhow, soft liner than you KNOW is going to be caught, duh stay close enough so you could get back. If it is infact a liner there is a chance the guy could intentionally drop it and get you at 2nd and try to turn the double that way, but it's not easy. On fly balls theres a rule called the intentional fly rule so this can't happen.

If it's a typical dp ball up the middle like you randomly switched your topic to, staying on 1st would do nothing. If you were on a team and did this your coach should be executed publicly
They throw to 2nd, you're out, they throw to 1st, the guy running is out (if it gets there in time). You'd be far better of running to 2nd and trying to interfere with the throw to 1st in some way.

play baseball

 

[busmaster11]

Originally posted by: fanerman91

Originally posted by: busmaster11

Originally posted by: fanerman91

Originally posted by: busmaster11
If you're a runner on first, and you see this weak line drive hit up the middle, do you have to run for second knowing it will be caught?

Or can you just run back to first just as the hitter is running to first, and make only one out?

There would be 2 outs there because there would be a force out at 2nd base. And the hitter could be out at first.

If the defense just threw the ball to first, then there would only be one out. But if they go to 2nd, and then to 1st, they could get 2.

Yeah see thats what always happens. But what if the runner anticipates this, and runs back to first instead of going to second? And he makes it back there before the ball does? Will there be one out instead of two?

No. Because, assuming the defense is competent... they'd throw the ball to 2nd... getting the runner at 1st out. And then throwing the ball to 1st would get the hitter out.

What if the runner anticipates a dp ball and doesn't stray from first. Then when the dp ball comes, he just takes one step back and he's on first. Then what happens when the ball comes to first?

 

[dethman]

i'm not positive, but i'm pretty sure if it's a grounder the runner on first can't go back there, he is "forced" to second.

so no, he can't just hang around and turn a double play into only one out.

 

[LeeTJ]

there is a reason there is something called the infield fly rule.

if there is a pop up in the infield, it is an out and runners can choose NOT to advance. IF they do advance it is NOT a force situation so the D can't just tag the base, they must tag the runner.

If there was no such rule than the infielder can pretend to catch the ball, runner goes back to first, 2 runners on first, the infielder drops the ball throws it to 2nd baseman and then to 1st baseman and get BOTH out.

that's illegal for a reason.

 

[SammyBoy]

Originally posted by: busmaster11

Originally posted by: fanerman91

Originally posted by: busmaster11
If you're a runner on first, and you see this weak line drive hit up the middle, do you have to run for second knowing it will be caught?

Or can you just run back to first just as the hitter is running to first, and make only one out?

There would be 2 outs there because there would be a force out at 2nd base. And the hitter could be out at first.

If the defense just threw the ball to first, then there would only be one out. But if they go to 2nd, and then to 1st, they could get 2.

Yeah see thats what always happens. But what if the runner anticipates this, and runs back to first instead of going to second? And he makes it back there before the ball does? Will there be one out instead of two?

of course they could. If the ball is caught. Dude this isn't friggen ice fishing, the runner has already taken off on the pitch and even a "soft liner" won't be in the air for more than a second or two before it gets to the fielder. You've gotta recognize the situation, stop, run back and make up your lead before the ball gets there.

 

[SammyBoy]

jesus every time i post you ask different questions! I actually understood you this time, and i don't know the answer, lol. I guess it never came up in little league

Oh i guess the problem with that is the fielder with the ball could just sit there waiting for you to leave the bag so the guy could get to 1st, so there would be a deadlock with 1 guy not on the bag (you cant have 2 guys on the bag at once). I think it's highly illegal and should be punishable painfully man im tired

 

[busmaster11]

Originally posted by: SammyBoy

Originally posted by: busmaster11

Originally posted by: theNEOone
1. if the ball is caught, then it doesn't matter wut the hitter does. he's out already
2. if the ball gets to first, then i'm assuming that the fly ball was already caught.


....wut's so complicated here?

Ball's a grounder up the middle, typical dp ball.

lol you say this like you know what you're talking about

OK there are 2 different scenarios you've talked about so far, you can't switch between us and expect us to read your mind (a mind that doesn't know much about baseball too )

Anyhow

OK, soft liner (btw if you have ever thrown or caught a ball you'll know even a "soft" liner doesnt take too long to get to where it's going, if it's gonna be caught in the infield.).

Anyhow, soft liner than you KNOW is going to be caught, duh stay close enough so you could get back. If it is infact a liner there is a chance the guy could intentionally drop it and get you at 2nd and try to turn the double that way, but it's not easy. On fly balls theres a rule called the intentional fly rule so this can't happen.

If it's a typical dp ball up the middle like you randomly switched your topic to, staying on 1st would do nothing. If you were on a team and did this your coach should be executed publicly
They throw to 2nd, you're out, they throw to 1st, the guy running is out (if it gets there in time). You'd be far better of running to 2nd and trying to interfere with the throw to 1st in some way.

play baseball

I've watched baseball for about 10 years, though I've never played it. I have no interest in playing it. And I've never mentioned or hinted that it was a fly ball, so please read my sentences before you condecend. But that you for your information though.

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: Mwilding
if the runner is going to be safe at first, you can't stay there.

yeah, if its a ground ball, you have to run, you can't stay on first :Q

 

[busmaster11]

Originally posted by: dethman
i'm not positive, but i'm pretty sure if it's a grounder the runner on first can't go back there, he is "forced" to second.

so no, he can't just hang around and turn a double play into only one out.

I think this is what I wanted to know. I still don't know why, and I think its kinda unfair, but thats what I wanted.

 

[Cyberian]

Originally posted by: busmaster11

Originally posted by: SammyBoy

Originally posted by: busmaster11

Originally posted by: theNEOone
1. if the ball is caught, then it doesn't matter wut the hitter does. he's out already
2. if the ball gets to first, then i'm assuming that the fly ball was already caught.


....wut's so complicated here?

Ball's a grounder up the middle, typical dp ball.

lol you say this like you know what you're talking about

OK there are 2 different scenarios you've talked about so far, you can't switch between us and expect us to read your mind (a mind that doesn't know much about baseball too )

Anyhow

OK, soft liner (btw if you have ever thrown or caught a ball you'll know even a "soft" liner doesnt take too long to get to where it's going, if it's gonna be caught in the infield.).

Anyhow, soft liner than you KNOW is going to be caught, duh stay close enough so you could get back. If it is infact a liner there is a chance the guy could intentionally drop it and get you at 2nd and try to turn the double that way, but it's not easy. On fly balls theres a rule called the intentional fly rule so this can't happen.

If it's a typical dp ball up the middle like you randomly switched your topic to, staying on 1st would do nothing. If you were on a team and did this your coach should be executed publicly
They throw to 2nd, you're out, they throw to 1st, the guy running is out (if it gets there in time). You'd be far better of running to 2nd and trying to interfere with the throw to 1st in some way.

play baseball

I've watched baseball for about 10 years, though I've never played it. I have no interest in playing it. And I've never mentioned or hinted that it was a fly ball, so please read my sentences before you condecend. But that you for your information though.

Then what does this mean:

and you see this weak line drive hit up the middle