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Barton 2500s are acutually underclocked 2800s! AMD exposed by employee/affiliate!

Originally posted by: PorBleemo
I think Intel does this also except Intel has some really evil way of locking processor multipliers.

-Por
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What is evil about this??? This is Intel protecting the consumer from possible shady dealers who could change the multiplers and sell the chips as greater then they are to unknowning average joes for more then they are worth.....

Plus fsb clocking is where it is at anyways to gain the bandwidth....

I am not surprised by this...AMD as been doing this process for awhile and I am sure they get great yields like Intel and hence many if not all come out on the high range. I imagine most all 2.4c's are likely 2.8 or better in actual testing...

 
Hmm... Im thinking I should have gotten 3200 RAM instead of the 2700.... Blah...
 
Originally posted by: speg
Hmm... Im thinking I should have gotten 3200 RAM instead of the 2700.... Blah...
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You got a mobo that could push a 200 FSB? I would of too.

 
Originally posted by: Regs
Originally posted by: speg
Hmm... Im thinking I should have gotten 3200 RAM instead of the 2700.... Blah...
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You got a mobo that could push a 200 FSB? I would of too.
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Hey nobody's complaining about having the 200FSB being an easy overclock. A couple of months ago it was refered to as a myth.

-Por
 
Originally posted by: PorBleemo
Originally posted by: Regs
Originally posted by: speg
Hmm... Im thinking I should have gotten 3200 RAM instead of the 2700.... Blah...
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You got a mobo that could push a 200 FSB? I would of too.
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Hey nobody's complaining about having the 200FSB being an easy overclock. A couple of months ago it was refered to as a myth.

-Por
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Say what? a couple months ago the Ultra400 was available and if it doesn't do 200fsb I'd send it back 😉 Heck, my old A2 chipset Soltek SL-75FRN-L would do the full 211fsb the bios allowed stable thanks to the vdd adjustment being available in the bios. I realize there are user not getting 200fsb but having built quite a few nF2 boards of various chipset revisions I must conclude that other components, lack of vdd adjustmnets, or user error is the source of most those failings.
 
I'm glad you mentioned that. Since I'm still stuck with a KT333.

I'm either forced to make this decision: get a nforce 2 which is 70-90 bucks, or wait more to get the more expensive nforce 3 w/ 3200 hammer which is more like.... 500 dollars.

And wow, did I go off topic...
 
Originally posted by: Regs
I'm glad you mentioned that. Since I'm still stuck with a KT333.

I'm either forced to make this decision: get a nforce 2 which is 70-90 bucks, or wait more to get the more expensive nforce 3 w/ 3200 hammer which is more like.... 500 dollars.

And wow, did I go off topic...
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You can get a refurbished nForce2 Ultra 400 at NewEgg by a respectable manufacturer (Asus, Abit, MSI, etc.) for under $65 most times. Besides if it doesn't work they might end up giving you a new one! 🙂

-Por
 
The price is very reasonable right now for a new nforce 2. Just that I would have to take my PC apart again, including my Alpha pal heat sink which is screwed into my kt333.

That also means I would need to get another HSF.
 
Originally posted by: Regs
I'm glad you mentioned that. Since I'm still stuck with a KT333.

I'm either forced to make this decision: get a nforce 2 which is 70-90 bucks, or wait more to get the more expensive nforce 3 w/ 3200 hammer which is more like.... 500 dollars.

And wow, did I go off topic...
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I wouldn't bother with refurbs since you never know what will or willl not be included. Some get the full retail bundle while others get a bare board. The Retail Shuttle AN35N-Ultra is $66 shipped from Da Egg and is a solid board. EDIT: looks like it supports your Alpha too 🙂

 
Originally posted by: Regs
The price is very reasonable right now for a new nforce 2. Just that I would have to take my PC apart again, including my Alpha pal heat sink which is screwed into my kt333.

That also means I would need to get another HSF.
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Owning an Alpha is tough for the owners because of so many motherboards now not supporting the four mounting brackets. Those are so big though I bet you could mount them on an Athlon64 motherboard.

-Por
 
Originally posted by: PorBleemo
I think Intel does this also except Intel has some really evil way of locking processor multipliers.

-Por
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I believe that was done because a lot of pentium 166mhz cpus were been overclocked and remarked 200mhz, and then sold as that. Besides..we still have fsb overclocking 🙂
 
i have the shuttle board and a 2500+, how much you guys think i could overclock, without changing CPU fan using artic silver, and 2 80 mm case fans.
 
Originally posted by: Regs
Originally posted by: speg
Hmm... Im thinking I should have gotten 3200 RAM instead of the 2700.... Blah...
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You got a mobo that could push a 200 FSB? I would of too.
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My buddy got a NF7-S v 2.0, and running it at 3200+ only took upping the bus to 200. 200 * 11 = 3200+. His PC3700 ram, his 2500+, and his board all could take it easily.

On the 200 bus boards, can nforce 2 non 400 ultras easily do 200 bus? They're supposed to have an agp/pci lock, so I don't think the agp/pci speeds should get in the way at all.
 
Originally posted by: Blackroot
i have the shuttle board and a 2500+, how much you guys think i could overclock, without changing CPU fan using artic silver, and 2 80 mm case fans.
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almost all 2500+s can do 2.2ghz with stock voltage.
 
Stock voltage means the default vcore as told to the mobo by the cpu. I have shuttle mobo as well and I have no vcore (cpu voltage adjustments) avaialble so stck voltage is all I can do...Also the shuttle board I have undervolts a bit, meaning the default is 1.6v but the mobo is actually delivering 1.57v or .03v less.

I have a xp2100+(1.73ghz) at 2.08ghz (2700+xp range) with stock cooling and .03v less the stock voltage.

There is a cpu pin mod you can do that can manualyy set ay multipier, fsb or vcore if you wish....I will be trying it when I get a better cooler. Stock for the 2100+ xp is likely not as good as the barton 2500+'s....
 
1.650V

I can run my 2500 @ 3000+, but run into some heat issues. Prime95 errors out if my diode goes above 65 on the diode.

I just run my 2500 @ 200x10. Diode never goes above 60.

It won't boot at 200x11 due to memory failing POST test. But seeing as how it's PC2700, I was actualyl very surprised it ran at 400MHz at all. Let alone at 2-3-3-11 and 2.7V. I can push 2-2-3-11 @ 2.8V though. I just keep it at 2.7 🙂
 
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