Barr says there’s no basis for seizing voting machines, using special counsels for election fraud, Hunter Biden

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Undercutting Trump, Barr says there’s no basis for seizing voting machines, using special counsels for election fraud, Hunter Biden

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Matt Zapotosky
Dec. 21, 2020 at 8:21 a.m. PST

Outgoing Attorney General William P. Barr said Monday he saw no basis for the federal government seizing voting machines and that he did not intend to appoint a special counsel to investigate allegations of voter fraud — again breaking with President Trump as the commander in chief entertains increasingly desperate measures to overturn the election.

At a news conference to announce charges in a decade old terror case, Barr — who has just two days left in office — was peppered with questions about whether he would consider steps proposed by allies of the president to advance Trump’s claims of massive voter fraud.
Barr said that while he was “sure there was fraud in this election,” he had not seen evidence that it was so “systemic or broad-based” that it would change the result. He asserted he saw “no basis right now for seizing machines by the federal government,” and he would not name a special counsel to explore the allegations of Trump and his allies.


“If I thought a special counsel at this stage was the right tool and was appropriate, I would name one, but I haven’t, and I’m not going to,” Barr said.
Similarly, Barr said he would not name a special counsel to investigate Hunter Biden, President-election Joe Biden’s son who revealed earlier this month he was under investigation for possible tax crimes. Barr said the investigation was “being handled responsibly and professionally” by regular Justice Department prosecutors, and he hoped that would continue in the next administration.
“To this point, I have not seen a reason to appoint a special counsel, and I have no plan to do so before I leave,” Barr said.

The comments are likely to further erode what is already a significantly damaged relationship between Barr and Trump.
Earlier this month, Barr broke with President Trump on his unfounded allegations of voter fraud, telling the Associated Press he had “not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.”

Tension already had been simmering between the two men for months because Barr did not on the eve of the election release results from Connecticut U.S. Attorney John Durham’s investigation into the FBI’s probe of Trump’s 2016 campaign, which Trump thought might be a political windfall. And after Barr’s comments, the president’s frustration was compounded when Hunter Biden revealed he was under federal investigation for possible tax crimes, and Barr had apparently kept that probe a relative secret, too.

After a meeting with Trump last week, Barr handed in his resignation, saying he intended to leave this coming Wednesday.
Since then, Trump has intensified his effort to overturn the results of the election. On Sunday, he said in a radio interview that he had spoken with Sen.-elect Tommy Tuberville (R-Ala.) about challenging the electoral vote count when the House and Senate convene on Jan. 6 to formally affirm President-elect Joe Biden’s victory.

And at a frenetic Oval Office meeting days earlier, he seemed to entertain other steps that some advisers warned are baseless exceed the bounds of his power.
A frustrated Trump redoubles efforts to overturn election result
He suggested, for example, naming lawyer Sidney Powell — who has promoted the wild, false claim that Venezuelan communists programmed U.S. voting machines to flip votes for Biden — as a special counsel to investigate voter fraud, though the idea appeared to be a non-starter, people familiar with the meeting have said.

He also suggested that homeland security officials should seize state voting machines and investigate alleged fraud, though acting homeland security secretary Chad Wolf and other homeland security officials have previously told the White House they have no authority to do so unless states ask for inspections or investigations.

Powell was present at the meeting, as was Michael T. Flynn, Trump’s disgraced national security adviser who has said publicly Trump could use the military to “basically rerun an election.” Flynn came to the Oval Office to discuss that idea, people familiar with the matter said, though Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and White House counsel Pat Cipollone pushed back “strenuously.” Trump later tweeted, “Martial law = Fake News.
 

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Personally I can't give Barr any credit as a moral actor and can only cynically assume that he is intelligent enough to have finally recognized that everything Trump touches gets destroyed. Barr supported Trump and it earned him fame as a world class turd.
 
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To me the most interesting question was that someone asked him about his previous comments about how liberals were undermining the rule of law and conservatives were the ones protecting it. He was asked if he had reconsidered those remarks considering the actions of conservatives since 11/3. Of course he didn't answer and just said something like 'I knew this job would be challenging'.

This of course indicates he already knew he would be working for a criminal but decided to protect him anyway.
 

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Barr doesn't give a rat's ass about Trump; he's a machine Republican and is looking out for establishment Republican grifters.
Barr is looking out for Barr. Part of the plan is cutting himself loose from a loser.
 

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Barr mislead the country to blunt the impact of a report that showed the president engaging in mass criminal behavior to cover up collusion with a hostile foreign power.

While it’s great that he’s not further corrupting his office now that Trump has lost he is still the second worst AG in history.
 

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Barr is a pragmatist, even if that just applies to what he thinks he can get away with. Trump lost the vote, lost the legal challenges & lost the Electoral College vote. He'll lose any challenges raised Jan 6, as well. Even if Barr went along with the pointless & stupid things Trump demands it wouldn't change that, so he wouldn't do it. He resigned instead.
 
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Piece. Of. Shit.

That said, I think there are probably lots of GOP asshats at all levels of government, local and federal who are hoping noone digs too deeply into election shenanigans. The shit that gets uncovered could be monumental (I am thinking of Kemp in particular) and would be disasterous for the party.
 

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Piece. Of. Shit.

That said, I think there are probably lots of GOP asshats at all levels of government, local and federal who are hoping noone digs too deeply into election shenanigans. The shit that gets uncovered could be monumental (I am thinking of Kemp in particular) and would be disasterous for the party.


Fortunately for them, this was the most secure election in American history.

Also, fortunately for us, Trump lost.
 
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Huh, I thought I'd read recently that he'd been fired. Admittedly I didn't double-check it or anything, maybe just something I read on social media.
 

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Piece. Of. Shit.

That said, I think there are probably lots of GOP asshats at all levels of government, local and federal who are hoping noone digs too deeply into election shenanigans. The shit that gets uncovered could be monumental (I am thinking of Kemp in particular) and would be disasterous for the party.

Please. The shenanigans happen before the actual voting in terms of who can vote when, where & how. The actual counting is as honest as both parties can make it. They watch each other like hawks. The systems are designed & refined to disallow cheating. I'm sure losing the election elicited shock & disbelief among the Faithful. They'll just have to get over it.
 

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Huh, I thought I'd read recently that he'd been fired. Admittedly I didn't double-check it or anything, maybe just something I read on social media.
No one was more surprised to hear that Barr had resigned.... than Barr. But he's working his notice still.
 

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He's leaving after the 23rd, IIRC.
 

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Barr is a pragmatist, even if that just applies to what he thinks he can get away with. Trump lost the vote, lost the legal challenges & lost the Electoral College vote. He'll lose any challenges raised Jan 6, as well. Even if Barr went along with the pointless & stupid things Trump demands it wouldn't change that, so he wouldn't do it. He resigned instead.

Agreed. I remember his quote of the quote "history is written by the winner". Given that he isn't the winner, I think he is concerned about not only what history writes but a further look into these "investigations".
 

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Barr's trying to retrieve his reputation. It's kinda late for that, but he's cashing in his chips now and hoping to not be a pariah.
 

sportage

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Missing the point people....
William Barr no longer need care, and it is not Bill Barr that we should be concerned with. The concern should be what the NEW and NEXT Trump attorney general might and could do. Just because Barr is leaving does not mean that Biden investigations would not begin and voting machines would not be confiscated. Bill Barr is out, he's nothing, the next guy has all the power and Donald Trump still has some 4 weeks remaining. Just because Barr is leaving doesn't mean we are out of this Trump insanity.
 

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Barr's trying to retrieve his reputation. It's kinda late for that, but he's cashing in his chips now and hoping to not be a pariah.


Agreed. Pariah got carved into his forehead and hot branded on both face and ass cheeks the moment he covered for Trump by misleading the people of the nation concerning what the findings in the Mueller Report revealed about Trump's crimes. From that moment forward he simply proved it beyond doubt time and again.
 
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Missing the point people....
William Barr no longer need care, and it is not Bill Barr that we should be concerned with. The concern should be what the NEW and NEXT Trump attorney general might and could do. Just because Barr is leaving does not mean that Biden investigations would not begin and voting machines would not be confiscated. Bill Barr is out, he's nothing, the next guy has all the power and Donald Trump still has some 4 weeks remaining. Just because Barr is leaving doesn't mean we are out of this Trump insanity.

I don't believe the DOJ would have the authority to confiscate state voting machines, and any special investigations wouldn't have the same weight as those authorized by the House or Senate. Not that the super-temporary final AG wouldn't try something, but it might well be blocked or fizzle out quickly.
 

Jhhnn

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Missing the point people....
William Barr no longer need care, and it is not Bill Barr that we should be concerned with. The concern should be what the NEW and NEXT Trump attorney general might and could do. Just because Barr is leaving does not mean that Biden investigations would not begin and voting machines would not be confiscated. Bill Barr is out, he's nothing, the next guy has all the power and Donald Trump still has some 4 weeks remaining. Just because Barr is leaving doesn't mean we are out of this Trump insanity.

I think you're missing the point. The Electoral College has voted & the proceedings Jan 6 are merely a formality. Biden will be inaugurated Jan 20. The rest is just noise.
 

dawp

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I think you're missing the point. The Electoral College has voted & the proceedings Jan 6 are merely a formality. Biden will be inaugurated Jan 20. The rest is just noise.
it may be noise but it's a hell of a show.