Barr opens an investigation into the FBI Trump Russia investigation without the results of the TR investigation even being publiclally known...

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VRAMdemon

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Gotta love the GOP living up to their reputation as utter hypocrites--on the one hand saying "we gotta keep investigating the origin of the investigation!" while on the other hand saying "Mueller's investigation is concluded--no "do-overs"--Congress should stop investigating!"

And..It completely exonerates him of any wrongdoings!
 

zinfamous

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Our Democratic elections were interfered with by a hostile foreign power. Trump tried several times to shut down the investigations into that attack. The absolute best case scenario (and apparently what you believe) is that Trump had nothing to do with it but thought the investigation would make him look bad. The President of the United States cares more about how he looks than the integrity of our elections, arguably one of the most important things in this country. And you support this.

well, that's just your opinion.
 

hal2kilo

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Plus the fact that this has already been investigated at least twice already, and both of those investigations found there was no foul play.
Bu Bu, but congress should not have a Mueller do over!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

UberNeuman

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Well, Mama’s Whittle Liar and HUHWHATIDUNTKNOW aren’t interested in honesty or truth. Lol.
 

dank69

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We already know the roots of that investigation and have for quite a long time. Trump campaign member George Papadopulous revealed to an Australian diplomat that he had inside information about Russia's attempts to intervene in our election. This has been public information for about a year and a half. The problem for conservatives with this is that the FBI would have been absolutely insane NOT to open an investigation into the Trump campaign after that.

There have been two separate investigations into the beginnings of the investigation and they have all turned up nothing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/30/...-investigation-began-george-papadopoulos.html

This is turning into another Benghazi where when conservatives investigate something and don't get the answer they want they don't accept reality, they decide that just means they need another investigation.
Seriously, everything is already known:
https://www.brennancenter.org/blog/...t-use-steele-dossier-carter-page-fisa-warrant

The problem is just that conservatives like Greenman have memories like goldfish.
 

dank69

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I think it is more likely the result of a concerted propaganda campaign by the right.
Yeah, to target people with memories like goldfish, and who refuse to verify the shit in their newsfeed no matter how many times they are lied to.
 

HomerJS

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LOL. What are you a wanna be lawyer.

"I'll keep asking the same questions in a different format to see if I can trip you up."

This is what I believe:

Trump is not a politician.
Trump is not the most moral person either.
Trump exaggerates and isn't always the most truthful.
Trump tweets way too much and it makes me cringe.
I do not believe for an instant he colluded or conspired with Russians.
I do not believe he attempted to obstruct the investigation. Maybe to defend himself, but not obstruct.

Most of the career politicians in DC were out to get Trump from the very beginning if not before. Such as the FBI spying, surveillance or whatever you would like to call it. He probably should have and could have done things very differently but didn't involving this Russian farce investigation. There is some very shady things that took place by the DOJ during the campaign and after the election. Smells a lot like fish. I do think he is honestly trying to accomplish what he promised to the American people when he was elected.

That is what I think.

Better?
That one alone is proof when it comes to Trump you are either ignorant or willfully ignorant. On a truth scale that is a 2 out of 10. In reality he lies more then he tells the truth. He lies about every topic big and small.

Other politicians were no more out to get Trump then Mitch was out to get Obama. Somehow Obama managed to deal and was successful.

As for collusion, at a minimum Trump cooperated with Russia. He was warned on multiple occasions Russians were trying to infiltrate his campaign. When contact was made he didn't turn them in but welcomed their help. That is traitorous to the United States. He also sided with Putin over his own intelligence agencies but I guess that is acceptable to you.

Tells us all we need to know.
 

hal2kilo

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Yeah...Michael Flynn was singing like a bird and testified that:

“The defendant informed the government of multiple instances, both before and after his guilty plea, where either he or his attorneys received communications from persons connected to the Administration or Congress that could’ve affected both his willingness to cooperate and the completeness of that cooperation," says the newly-revealed section of a sentencing memo originally filed in December."

So, not only did Trump's administration, but some unnamed member of Congress directly obstructed the investigation. And he has the voicemails to prove it.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ju...d-obstruct-probe-n1006666?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma
Using the SNL church lady voice "Could it be Nunes!"
 

fskimospy

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If Hillary were President, Congress would be on their 3rd or 4th Bengazi "Investigation" since the Inauguration.

Jason Chaffetz was bragging that he had years of investigations lined up for Hillary Clinton if she won the presidency. Oddly enough despite Trump being the most obviously corrupt president in modern history Chaffetz couldn't find a single thing to investigate about him.

Very strange. I'm sure it's just a coincidence.
 

Jhhnn

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Illegally obtained evidence isn't admissible in court. So from a criminal trial prospective it's worthless, from an impeachment prospective it matters depending on which side you're on.

I'd like to know the roots of the Trump Russia collusion investigation. That information is all in court and FBI records, the investigation should be a matter of a few days as there is a complete paper trail.

That's a nice little conspiracy theory you got goin' there. It doesn't even matter, given that the whole issue of collusion/ conspiracy was set aside by the Mueller report. It doesn't matter when a well represented individual accepts a guilty plea to other crimes, either. You know, like lying to the DoJ, FBI or Congress. It doesn't matter wrt Cohen & campaign spending violations, either.

What matters now is the way that TrumpCo actively obstructed the investigation & the way that Barr actively interferes with the transmission of evidence to Congress. Hell- they haven't even denied that any of it happened but rather that Trump acted out of frustration & anger in doing so. That's no excuse at all.
 

Jhhnn

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Good article, connects a lot of dots. I still have no issue at all with an investigation into it's beginnings. There will be a paper trail, there will be court documents, it should be very easy to gather those up and say "it's all good". We've gone this far, why stop now? Lets ride this dog across the finish line. We might discover a few more crooks along the way.

Doing the same thing over & over again expecting different results is one definition of insanity. It's also distraction by innuendo.
 

Jhhnn

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Jason Chaffetz was bragging that he had years of investigations lined up for Hillary Clinton if she won the presidency. Oddly enough despite Trump being the most obviously corrupt president in modern history Chaffetz couldn't find a single thing to investigate about him.

Very strange. I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

Chaffetz retired at the end of his term in 2017. Losing the HOR put an end to a lot of the bullshit advanced by the usual GOP players. Nunes. Jordan. So forth & so on.
 

dank69

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Chaffetz retired at the end of his term in 2017. Losing the HOR put an end to a lot of the bullshit advanced by the usual GOP players. Nunes. Jordan. So forth & so on.
Jordan is still going strong.
 

Jhhnn

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hal2kilo

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The GOP can't initiate any efforts in the HOR w/o Dems' approval. Of course they're still obstructing & slinging bullshit far & wide.

And of course there's no collusion between them & Trump's attorneys. Well, not according to them-

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/16/trump-jim-jordan-house-subpoenas-1327150
As usual in this day and age in the Republican party, when they do it, it's all good, when the Democrats do it, it's all bad.

Hypocrisy is not a strong enough word to use for their behavior.
 

brandonbull

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Did you read the Muller report? The Cohen plea with Trump as individual 1? What elements of a crime are missing to bring a case to trial? Keep in mind that impeachment proceedings are akin to that. If started, they would get testimony and other evidence and present it to the House to decide whether the President ought to face the Senate for a vote of removal.

More of the unnamed, unindicted co-conspirator stuff again.