Barr opens an investigation into the FBI Trump Russia investigation without the results of the TR investigation even being publiclally known...

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HomerJS

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Certain high ranking members of Congress can view the Mueller Report with a mere 1% redaction, which is safe to presume involves ongoing cases and maybe personal information on people. The public has the report. Congress can view practically all of it, certainly MORE than enough to understand the conclusions and why they were determined.

So just what the heck does "without the results" mean?
Ok then I'll assume you have read it.

Question: Did Trump order Don McGahn to fire Mueller and lie about it?? I mean that in the commonly known definition.

Clue us all in.
 

BurnItDwn

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Need to investigate why people thought you could not investigate a sitting president.

that is one of the stupidest bunches of bullshit i had ever read or heard.

Throughout my entire life, we have been told that nobody is above the law. We have been told that we had a revolutionary war in order to free ourselves from Kings and tyranny.

And yet here we sit, with a tyrant at the throne, apparantly immune to all laws...


is it folly to think it may be possible to salvage the nation/democracy?
Or is it completely gone until the next violent revolution?
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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Simple solution to this. Have chairs of House and Senate Intelligence committees sit down with original FISA judge (in secret because necessary) and tell them if the investigation was warranted and why. The yes or no answer can be announced to the public.
 

sportage

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Trump is soooooo petty. He is as thinned skinned as they come.
Any person that were truly successful and skilled and talented would never lower themselves to such a pettiness.
This only proves that Donald Trump is a con, is not what he claims to be, and he knows that.
Trump is terrified people will figure him out, see the truth, and realize that Trump is a total failure.
This kind of person should never be president of anything. They should be in an institution getting much needed help.
And Trump isn't the only one....
Obviously we have several once considered honorables that have since proven as unstable as Donald Trump.
People say that William Barr is honorable and highly respected, but really?
Just maybe Barr is as nuts as Donald Trump has proven himself to be. Its just that Barr got away with it. Up until now, that is.
And the same goes for Kelly Conway, Rudy Giuliani, certainly Sarah Sanders, and pretty much all of those that surround Donald Trump. They are all nuts, and this is what grand scale nuts looks like.

It is so tragic that Donald Trump will eventually take America down with him.
A lot of good people will fall victim and lose everything because of Donald Trump. Many already have.
Trump has failed at most everything he has tried, lost everything more than once, is a tax cheat, a bankrupt, and what does that say for the people that migrate to Trump?
Like I said.... they're all nuts.
Donald Trump because he could never live up to his fathers expectations.
Sarah Sanders because her father is a con artist just like Trump.
Pretend to be religious then use religion to create personal wealth protected from taxation.
Who wouldn't want to get rich and not pay taxes?
Kelly Ann Conway is insane yet once considered credible. Donald Trump took that away from Kelly Ann.
And Rudy Giuliani. After 9/11 Rudy was flying high. Considered a patriot and honorable for his handling of 9/11.
Then..... Rudy got involved with Donald Trump. And Rudy Giuliani too has now lost all credibility.
Bing bing bing, one by one that all fall. Their only sin, getting involved with Donald Trump.
But don't feel sorry for them, feel sorry for America.
America is as much the victim and any one of the above mentioned.
We all want to escape Donald Trump.
 

Jhhnn

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Certain high ranking members of Congress can view the Mueller Report with a mere 1% redaction, which is safe to presume involves ongoing cases and maybe personal information on people. The public has the report. Congress can view practically all of it, certainly MORE than enough to understand the conclusions and why they were determined.

So just what the heck does "without the results" mean?

Where did that 1% number come from?
 

compuwiz1

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Seriously the time has come to impeach before this and other egregious acts like Barr going after Biden and a whole lot more get going in earnest. The more dastardly things they do the more the House Dems look to be seeking petty revenge.

Absolutely! Definitely better impeach before the truth can come out. We can't have any of that happening. The investigation will go where the evidence takes it and if it doesn't go the way you want it to, kind of like the Mueller report didn't, you will cry foul. There is absolutely no consoling your lot, no matter what the truth is.
In the event the truth is that these warrants were borne of nefarious intent, for political reasons, people should be held accountable. It should be that way no matter who does it.

You and other democrats are full of fear. You fear that the truth will come out and it's going to be a huge black eye to the democratic party and cause lost elections, not to mention that some people are likely to go to prison. You'd better pray that this investigation doesn't turn up what you are afraid it will.
 

zinfamous

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Absolutely! Definitely better impeach before the truth can come out. We can't have any of that happening. The investigation will go where the evidence takes it and if it doesn't go the way you want it to, kind of like the Mueller report didn't, you will cry foul. There is absolutely no consoling your lot, no matter what the truth is.
In the event the truth is that these warrants were borne of nefarious intent, for political reasons, people should be held accountable. It should be that way no matter who does it.

You and other democrats are full of fear. You fear that the truth will come out and it's going to be a huge black eye to the democratic party and cause lost elections, not to mention that some people are likely to go to prison. You'd better pray that this investigation doesn't turn up what you are afraid it will.

--first: the Mueller report went where everyone thought it was going. It seems that you are confusing Barr's publicly egregious summary of the report with the actual report? Is that what you are doing?

--second: I like how you criticize the idea of opening new investigations if one didn't go the way you wanted. I mean...I'm sure your ovaries are still clinching at the hope another Bengazi "hearing" will commence, right? 8 down, 20 more to go? Eventually your feels will be warranted?

--third: the truth is pretty clear to anyone that is literate. No idea what the fuck happened to you, though. lol, seriously though: just who in the democratic party is "likely to go to prison," and why? Do you even accept the plain known truth that the only reason Donald Trump has not been indicted, being a recognized conspirator in a federal court, is that he is POTUS? You do understand that he is going to be convicted as soon as he is no longer POTUS, right?
 

TheVrolok

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--first: the Mueller report went where everyone thought it was going. It seems that you are confusing Barr's publicly egregious summary of the report with the actual report? Is that what you are doing?

--second: I like how you criticize the idea of opening new investigations if one didn't go the way you wanted. I mean...I'm sure your ovaries are still clinching at the hope another Bengazi "hearing" will commence, right? 8 down, 20 more to go? Eventually your feels will be warranted?

--third: the truth is pretty clear to anyone that is literate. No idea what the fuck happened to you, though. lol, seriously though: just who in the democratic party is "likely to go to prison," and why? Do you even accept the plain known truth that the only reason Donald Trump has not been indicted, being a recognized conspirator in a federal court, is that he is POTUS? You do understand that he is going to be convicted as soon as he is no longer POTUS, right?
There's no reason to argue with those that lack the ability to think critically and independently. The Mueller report says exactly what many of us thought it would (humble brag) and it's incredibly damning. In a normal time (fuck, even 30 years ago) , impeachment wouldn't even be a question, it would be a slam dunk. Clinton was impeached for lying about a blowjob (with a little extra pressure on the side) and that doesn't even compare the obstruction that is detailed verbatim in the report. These idiots just don't understand the law or politics.
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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Absolutely! Definitely better impeach before the truth can come out. We can't have any of that happening. The investigation will go where the evidence takes it and if it doesn't go the way you want it to, kind of like the Mueller report didn't, you will cry foul. There is absolutely no consoling your lot, no matter what the truth is.
In the event the truth is that these warrants were borne of nefarious intent, for political reasons, people should be held accountable. It should be that way no matter who does it.

You and other democrats are full of fear. You fear that the truth will come out and it's going to be a huge black eye to the democratic party and cause lost elections, not to mention that some people are likely to go to prison. You'd better pray that this investigation doesn't turn up what you are afraid it will.

You'd better pray that the truth about Trump and his is supressed as it is. But yeah Graham subervting a Congressional committee by suggesting a lawful subpoena be ignored? The Party of Lawlessness, the GOP. Maybe you didn't serve so you aren't violating your Oath or think that being out means the principles are no longer relevant, but these things like Graham, Barr and most of all Trump violated it, putting their own personal interests above the nation, the law and the Constitution and you are so proud of it. Fear? Of what? I have concerns that you and yours will have done permanent damage to Constitutional Government and won't you love it if a Progressive does exactly the kinds of things you support. Hey, how about a national emergency with a tax on those earning more than 10 mil at 70% to pay for fixing the climate you and yours insist on destroying. Hey you opened the door, and you don't get to close it. You'll complain with no right but you bet you will.

Trump going to prison/reduced to a pauper is likely but that's no satisfaction.

Why do you hate the Constitution and the principles upon which it was based? Only one who does would embrace the evil you have.
 

Jhhnn

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Absolutely! Definitely better impeach before the truth can come out. We can't have any of that happening. The investigation will go where the evidence takes it and if it doesn't go the way you want it to, kind of like the Mueller report didn't, you will cry foul. There is absolutely no consoling your lot, no matter what the truth is.
In the event the truth is that these warrants were borne of nefarious intent, for political reasons, people should be held accountable. It should be that way no matter who does it.

You and other democrats are full of fear. You fear that the truth will come out and it's going to be a huge black eye to the democratic party and cause lost elections, not to mention that some people are likely to go to prison. You'd better pray that this investigation doesn't turn up what you are afraid it will.

Investigating the investigators won't wipe away the honest reasons they had at the time nor the evidence uncovered. It won't undo the convictions & indictments obtained or the revelations as to the breadth, depth & effectiveness of Russian meddling. It doesn't address the accusations of Presidential obstruction of justice, either.

It's the usual conspiracy theory to keep the heads of the faithful nicely fucked up, however. The GOP can go Benghazi on it to keep 'em distracted, at least for awhile. It was straight up counter intelligence work from the start.
 

kage69

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Sickening how ridiculous and corrupt these guys are. The lows they continually reset with their contempt for law and any semblance of ethical behavior, it's pretty unreal.

I know we joke about it, but I really wouldn't be surprised to find out the likes of Barr and Graham, other asslickers on Team Treason, had a family member tied up and gagged somewhere, tormented by a masked guy with a bread knife and FedEx envelopes. These guys are so far off the reservation and sanctimonious about it. I hope for their families sake nothing like that has happened, that it's just craven political opportunism from nepotistic whores we see here, with a heaping side of desperation.
 

dank69

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Absolutely! Definitely better impeach before the truth can come out. We can't have any of that happening. The investigation will go where the evidence takes it and if it doesn't go the way you want it to, kind of like the Mueller report didn't, you will cry foul. There is absolutely no consoling your lot, no matter what the truth is.
In the event the truth is that these warrants were borne of nefarious intent, for political reasons, people should be held accountable. It should be that way no matter who does it.

You and other democrats are full of fear. You fear that the truth will come out and it's going to be a huge black eye to the democratic party and cause lost elections, not to mention that some people are likely to go to prison. You'd better pray that this investigation doesn't turn up what you are afraid it will.
This guy. You fell for the Nunes memo and then you fell for the second Nunes memo and now you're going to fall for investigating the investigators round three like the willfully gullible muppet conservative media knows you are.
 
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Jhhnn

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This guy. You fell for the Nunes memo and then you fell for the second Nunes memo and now you're going to fall for investigating the investigators round three like the willfully gullible muppet conservative media knows you are.

They're like a nest full of baby birds with their mouths open....
 

interchange

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Absolutely! Definitely better impeach before the truth can come out. We can't have any of that happening. The investigation will go where the evidence takes it and if it doesn't go the way you want it to, kind of like the Mueller report didn't, you will cry foul. There is absolutely no consoling your lot, no matter what the truth is.

There is ample evidence of the President obstructing the investigation many times. Actually, regardless of the nature of the investigation, it is worthy of impeachment. There is no good to delay when such evidence exists. The only reason it hadn't been pursued for this or other impeachable matters is political.

In the event the truth is that these warrants were borne of nefarious intent, for political reasons, people should be held accountable. It should be that way no matter who does it.

Sure. But what evidence do you have that this deserves a closer look? Any at all?

You and other democrats are full of fear. You fear that the truth will come out and it's going to be a huge black eye to the democratic party and cause lost elections, not to mention that some people are likely to go to prison. You'd better pray that this investigation doesn't turn up what you are afraid it will.

Not a Democrat but I have no fears of what a credible investigation will turn up at all. I have valid fears that our system of government will be further usurped by this investigation. Really your posting is already proof that we are in deep shit as a country. Either you know better and are playing a game where you don't give a crap about the integrity of our system of government or you are woefully blind to reality.
 

Moonbeam

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There is ample evidence of the President obstructing the investigation many times. Actually, regardless of the nature of the investigation, it is worthy of impeachment. There is no good to delay when such evidence exists. The only reason it hadn't been pursued for this or other impeachable matters is political.



Sure. But what evidence do you have that this deserves a closer look? Any at all?



Not a Democrat but I have no fears of what a credible investigation will turn up at all. I have valid fears that our system of government will be further usurped by this investigation. Really your posting is already proof that we are in deep shit as a country. Either you know better and are playing a game where you don't give a crap about the integrity of our system of government or you are woefully blind to reality.
I think that almost everybody wants to do the right thing and see themselves as good people. I think that's why compuwiz is the way that he is defending the good he sees in Trump. But we can desire the good for a couple of reasons and their combination. We can have been made to fear doing wrong as children, or learned to love being good for the pleasure and praise it brings. The more we fear evil the more motivation we will have not to see our moral failings, and if we are conservative, we will have a lot more moral concerns we can fail at than liberals do. The result is that conservatives who have been conditioned to conform to a wide range of moral concerns by threat and fear, will be far more uptight and defensive about seeing their personal moral failings. They test scientifically and employing rationalization to protect sacred ego beliefs than liberals do. Thus you will see more of them as hypocrites.

They still want to be good but if they have bigoted ideas inculcated from irrational sources implanted as children, they will have a harder time of it. Their wider range of moral concerns, when properly manifested, offer vital survival values for human groups. When we can see there is just one group, the human race, and we have conservatives with their heads on straight, they will rule. Liberals will be there to keep them on track. My opinion.
 

pcgeek11

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"Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say,"

pcgeek - in a race vs. himself for the bottom. Good job.

An AG that does the CIC's corrupt bidding is not problematic to you? - MEH.


I didn't say anything about a right to privacy. I think they should look at what started the collusion investigation if they have questions.
 

pcgeek11

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Really? Then I'm sure we can find your posts advocating for the release of the full unredacted Mueller Report, Mueller, McGahn and all relevant parties testify in public.


If you look you could see I have said that more than once. Release the whole damn thing and let the chips fall where they may. I have said pretty much this.
 

pcgeek11

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If you believe this, then you must believe the guy who's fighting tooth and nail to block release of the full report and any related records is super guilty.


That is silly. Just because you believe one doesn't lock in the second...
 

Muse

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Lyndsey Graham is a sleazeball. Barr is losing his mind, IMO. He had something like a mind when hired but it's all too much for him and he's lost it.
 

Moonbeam

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I didn't say anything about a right to privacy. I think they should look at what started the collusion investigation if they have questions.
The investigation they are investigating is likely an ongoing investigation about which no public information is available and there are three investigations now into it. This in my opinion would make a normal person suspect that the intention of all those three investigations isn't that they have any questions but that they want to cast shade on it before the results come out. Furthermore, if and when we get the results of the Trump Russia Russia investigation, not part of the Muller report and which he likely handed off, I think we will be seeing not only more bad news for trump but a huge effort to cast shade on who is in charge of that investigation. I'm betting it's the Director of the FBI who Trump seems suddenly to find worthless.