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Lifer
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Not release but hopefully an extensive demonstration.

And there is no mention of the R600 but the RD790 which is the mother board supporting the Barcelona.

Though it would make sense to showcase both. If they showcase the Barcelona before the R600 it will really look bad for ATi.
 
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Lifer
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http://www.techreport.com/onearticle.x/12221

You were right. Both Barcelona and R600.

Did AMD truely wait for Barcelona before a R600 launch?


Though we have to consider the sources. Fudzilla and The Inquirer don't exactly have a good record of fact telling. And displaying new technology in Tunisia? A 3rd world nation that's been in countless rebellions and civil revolts?
 
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GFORCE100

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Originally posted by: MDme
Don't shoot the messenger (me) I just wanna ask anyone here if they know anything of how true could this be?

LINKS:

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=456&Itemid=1

now I know who Fuad is and where he was from....:)
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Dream on dream on I say. Even if AMD can show something it still can't ship anything so the most it can do is help its share price but only as a minor bump, not spike.

AMD shouldn't have bought ATI at the time they did, they're dry on cash and have little 65nm capacity. They thought Intel would be pushing the GHz race and got stunned when the Core 2 entered life, now they have a serious problem.

Building a fab in NY and now not having money to finish it off let alone convert other fabs to 65nm wasn't smart thinking. Having IBM make their chips is all very well but this increases products costs hence less room for profit per unit which will hit the bottom lines most - and lets face it a lot of sales are low-end.

AMD should have just concentrated at delivering a great product at all price points to all market segments and given time, this would work much better.

ATI also mis-calculated its product portfolio. A company with theoretically speaking two broken legs can't run, AMD thought it was a gorilla and now has waken up to discover it's only a chimp what thought it could do all these things in 2006 and then some more.
 
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Lifer
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GFORCE100, I know you're just venting frustration but look at the bright side. We will hopefully see what AMD has in store for us later this month.
 
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MarcVenice

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wow gforce100 sounds like he has a degree in business or marketing :p Easy to do the talking after it happened though.

anywayz, it's really to bad amd will be focusing on ati videocards. For some reason nvidia appeals to me more then ati.
 
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tatteredpotato

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Originally posted by: MarcVenice
wow gforce100 sounds like he has a degree in business or marketing :p Easy to do the talking after it happened though.

anywayz, it's really to bad amd will be focusing on ati videocards. For some reason nvidia appeals to me more then ati.
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From what I've heard the ATi guys will do the ATi thing and the AMD guys will do the AMD thing for the time being.
 
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Zstream

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Originally posted by: GFORCE100
Originally posted by: MDme
Don't shoot the messenger (me) I just wanna ask anyone here if they know anything of how true could this be?

LINKS:

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=456&Itemid=1

now I know who Fuad is and where he was from....:)
Click to expand...

Dream on dream on I say. Even if AMD can show something it still can't ship anything so the most it can do is help its share price but only as a minor bump, not spike.

AMD shouldn't have bought ATI at the time they did, they're dry on cash and have little 65nm capacity. They thought Intel would be pushing the GHz race and got stunned when the Core 2 entered life, now they have a serious problem.

Building a fab in NY and now not having money to finish it off let alone convert other fabs to 65nm wasn't smart thinking. Having IBM make their chips is all very well but this increases products costs hence less room for profit per unit which will hit the bottom lines most - and lets face it a lot of sales are low-end.

AMD should have just concentrated at delivering a great product at all price points to all market segments and given time, this would work much better.

ATI also mis-calculated its product portfolio. A company with theoretically speaking two broken legs can't run, AMD thought it was a gorilla and now has waken up to discover it's only a chimp what thought it could do all these things in 2006 and then some more.
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You are a fool, have you not heard how many GPU's dell is buying off AMD? Probably not. If you can not understand the consequence of this alone then you are blind.
 
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dflynchimp

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yeah, AMD has lost market share, but it's still very much in the market. earlier last year it had almost 75% of the market for desktop computers. That's dropped to around 40% now, but it's still a sizable chunk of the pie.

ATI might have got owned by the 8800 series, but we have to consider the fact that not everyone sprung for the 8800 when it came out, even tho it was quite powerful. ATI retained competition on the mid-low end, where the majority of the market is, and then it still has potential customers like me who decided not to throw in the dough for Nvidia's 8800.
 
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coldpower27

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Originally posted by: dflynchimp
yeah, AMD has lost market share, but it's still very much in the market. earlier last year it had almost 75% of the market for desktop computers. That's dropped to around 40% now, but it's still a sizable chunk of the pie.

ATI might have got owned by the 8800 series, but we have to consider the fact that not everyone sprung for the 8800 when it came out, even tho it was quite powerful. ATI retained competition on the mid-low end, where the majority of the market is, and then it still has potential customers like me who decided not to throw in the dough for Nvidia's 8800.
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Maybe your talking about retail, as AMD hasn't breached 30% ever in desktop PC sales overall.
 
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GFORCE100

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Originally posted by: Zstream
Originally posted by: GFORCE100
Originally posted by: MDme
Don't shoot the messenger (me) I just wanna ask anyone here if they know anything of how true could this be?

LINKS:

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=456&Itemid=1

now I know who Fuad is and where he was from....:)
Click to expand...

Dream on dream on I say. Even if AMD can show something it still can't ship anything so the most it can do is help its share price but only as a minor bump, not spike.

AMD shouldn't have bought ATI at the time they did, they're dry on cash and have little 65nm capacity. They thought Intel would be pushing the GHz race and got stunned when the Core 2 entered life, now they have a serious problem.

Building a fab in NY and now not having money to finish it off let alone convert other fabs to 65nm wasn't smart thinking. Having IBM make their chips is all very well but this increases products costs hence less room for profit per unit which will hit the bottom lines most - and lets face it a lot of sales are low-end.

AMD should have just concentrated at delivering a great product at all price points to all market segments and given time, this would work much better.

ATI also mis-calculated its product portfolio. A company with theoretically speaking two broken legs can't run, AMD thought it was a gorilla and now has waken up to discover it's only a chimp what thought it could do all these things in 2006 and then some more.
Click to expand...

You are a fool, have you not heard how many GPU's dell is buying off AMD? Probably not. If you can not understand the consequence of this alone then you are blind.
Click to expand...

Dell is not buying anymore ATI GPU's than it did recently so what's this supposed to be? Both companies have large debt and cash flow problems for you to be going off thinking about how this automatically translates into profit. There's a long road from getting orders to making profits.
 
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Zstream

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It does not matter how much Dell is in debt as long as AMD has the money.

Second, this is apparently the largest order of gpu's ordered by Dell from AMD ever.
 
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GFORCE100

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Originally posted by: Zstream
It does not matter how much Dell is in debt as long as AMD has the money.

Second, this is apparently the largest order of gpu's ordered by Dell from AMD ever.
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Dell isn't in debt, AMD is or put more precisely, Dell will also have debt or some kind but in proportion to it's market position and financial prowess, these debts aren't large enough to be hurting it in the way of pursuing normal every day business.

Largest order doesn't mean largest financial significance since AMD could be selling many ATI GPU's but at a lower cost per unit just to close the deal which is very likely because the so called largest order from Dell wouldn't include the highest performance parts. It's most likely the low-end or middle-end type of GPU's that will go into office PC's/Notebooks, say around the X1300-1600 category.

Either way if one part of AMD be this AMD or ATI itself is doing well of badly in a business financial sense, it can't expect to flow its earnings into the other side (again AMD or ATI) to help them out financially. Although one company now, AMD and ATI must both strive to get the best profits to help their future R&D, production, and marketing efforts thus costs. If either was to help the other one out then it would lead to longer development times and less resources to do it with. In the IT market time is money, if you don't have a product as an answer to that of your competitor's then you'll loose market share hence loose out financially and business is all about winning financially and growing stronger.
 
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yacoub

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Originally posted by: GFORCE100
Originally posted by: Zstream
Originally posted by: GFORCE100
Originally posted by: MDme
Don't shoot the messenger (me) I just wanna ask anyone here if they know anything of how true could this be?

LINKS:

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=456&Itemid=1

now I know who Fuad is and where he was from....:)
Click to expand...

Dream on dream on I say. Even if AMD can show something it still can't ship anything so the most it can do is help its share price but only as a minor bump, not spike.

AMD shouldn't have bought ATI at the time they did, they're dry on cash and have little 65nm capacity. They thought Intel would be pushing the GHz race and got stunned when the Core 2 entered life, now they have a serious problem.

Building a fab in NY and now not having money to finish it off let alone convert other fabs to 65nm wasn't smart thinking. Having IBM make their chips is all very well but this increases products costs hence less room for profit per unit which will hit the bottom lines most - and lets face it a lot of sales are low-end.

AMD should have just concentrated at delivering a great product at all price points to all market segments and given time, this would work much better.

ATI also mis-calculated its product portfolio. A company with theoretically speaking two broken legs can't run, AMD thought it was a gorilla and now has waken up to discover it's only a chimp what thought it could do all these things in 2006 and then some more.
Click to expand...

You are a fool, have you not heard how many GPU's dell is buying off AMD? Probably not. If you can not understand the consequence of this alone then you are blind.
Click to expand...

Dell is not buying anymore ATI GPU's than it did recently so what's this supposed to be? Both companies have large debt and cash flow problems for you to be going off thinking about how this automatically translates into profit. There's a long road from getting orders to making profits.
Click to expand...

You need to keep up with the news! ;)

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=2032727
 
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