Barack Obama: it is no longer essential to kill Osama bin Laden

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Genx87
Sounds an awful lot like Bush.

Yeah, I think so too.

Perhaps after some intel briefings he decided back off that rhetoric?

IMO, our "biggest national security priority" ought to be keeping us safe, not killing some @sshat in a cave. Next month, next year - I don't really care, just so we do eventually 'get him'.

Fern

You could tell later in the campaign when he was clinching this thing up his tone changed quite a bit about the WoT. It is almost like he was briefed about the situation and realized how real life will be as president. The idealist gave way to the realist. Which is fine imo.

One of the top ten right-wing myths: that 'realism' favors the right-wing.

In fact, I think it should be said, recent convered liberals are neocons mugged by reality.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: smokeyjoe
My point is if nothing is preventing OBL from distributing tapes to be broadcast to the world, what is preventing him from communicating with his own operatives? Which henceforth would still deem him as a threat, according to Obama.

is it really that difficult to get a VHS tape to Al Jazeera? comparing that to the communications of an underground network spread over a large area is absurd.

If he can get a tape deliverd, he can get his instructions to AQ delivered.

Fern

That's not at all necessarily correct. Media are a lot more accessible than a broad distributed, covert network with all the electronic monitoring going on.

Getting one tape to one person who gets it to the media is a lot different than communicating with someone who is hiding from cell phones, internet and more.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I agree with what Obama says about OBL and I agreed with Bush that he really was no major concern once we had him hiding away like a scared little bitch. Making OBL run and hide has proven that all his bluster is really nothing more than that - big talk from someone who has demonstrated himself to be a wussy.

Of course the true partisans in here will rag on President one while giving a pass to the other. That's all this thread is about really, being a partisan tool. It ultimately has nothing to do with OBL.

Bingo!

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Barack Obama: it is no longer essential to kill Osama bin Laden

My preference obviously would be to capture or kill him," he said. "But if we have so tightened the noose that he's in a cave somewhere and can't even communicate with his operatives then we will meet our goal of protecting America."

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As recently as October 7, in a presidential debate, Mr Obama said: "We will kill bin Laden. We will crush al-Qaeda. That has to be our biggest national security priority."

I guess if you put it in those precise terms you would be correct. But how the heck could that even be possible, if he's in a cave, he's being supported which means he's communicating with his operatives. If he's releasing tapes, he's communicating with his operatives.


/preemptive strike
Yes yes, I'm sure I suffer ODS and I've improperly interpreted the nuance around this. In the meantime I'll be searching the archives for your previous statements on this when Bush went down this path.

What you fail to understand, is that Obama will do it better. We will be able to take a measure of this by his approval ratings.

 

[MadRat]

Osama is dead. He was obliterated long ago and they will never find him in a cave. The idea he is still alive is simply a facade for the war on terror. Without the persona of Osama to fight against, what can the U.S. use to put a face on terrorism? Its kind of funny to see Obama rail against Bush only to become him. Look at the new boss, looks like the old boss.

 

[AFMatt]

Originally posted by: Craig234
That's not at all necessarily correct. Media are a lot more accessible than a broad distributed, covert network with all the electronic monitoring going on.

Getting one tape to one person who gets it to the media is a lot different than communicating with someone who is hiding from cell phones, internet and more.

We can monitor all the electronic comm we want and the low/no-tech methods of spreading info and even carrying out offensives will still be effective. It worked great for insurgents in Iraq, and I am sure it still works for bin Laden's goons. The same method used for delivering that tape can be used to communicate a message to an entire network of operatives. All you need is one person who is able to bypass the forces that may be in the path to deliver a message to one ranking individual down the line. The rest will take care of itself.

On a related note... Until I see a video released by bin Laden, that shows him alive, and talking about recent events, I have a real hard time believing he is still alive or actively involved in al-qaeda. These pictures with an audio recording in the background aren't very convincing. When was the last time he was shown live on a video? 2004ish?

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I agree with what Obama says about OBL and I agreed with Bush that he really was no major concern once we had him hiding away like a scared little bitch. Making OBL run and hide has proven that all his bluster is really nothing more than that - big talk from someone who has demonstrated himself to be a wussy.

Of course the true partisans in here will rag on President one while giving a pass to the other. That's all this thread is about really, being a partisan tool. It ultimately has nothing to do with OBL.

Bingo!

Except for the simple little fact that it was Bush's bungling that allowed OBL to escape in the first place. He had the country's full support to get him, but totally blew it..... and that's exactly how the historians will record it too.

Of course I would expect "partisan tools" to be able to figure that out all by themselves. :laugh:

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I agree with what Obama says about OBL and I agreed with Bush that he really was no major concern once we had him hiding away like a scared little bitch. Making OBL run and hide has proven that all his bluster is really nothing more than that - big talk from someone who has demonstrated himself to be a wussy.

Of course the true partisans in here will rag on President one while giving a pass to the other. That's all this thread is about really, being a partisan tool. It ultimately has nothing to do with OBL.

Bingo!

Except for the simple little fact that it was Bush's bungling that allowed OBL to escape in the first place. He had the country's full support to get him, but totally blew it..... and that's exactly how the historians will record it too.

Of course I would expect "partisan tools" to be able to figure that out all by themselves. :laugh:

Looks like you have it all figured out already. Congrats. I'm sure nobody could tell you any different either.

 

[Jaskalas]

Both Presidents Clinton and Bush had their opportunity to kill Bin Laden. Neither of them saw it as essential because they never seized the opportunity, obviously. Therefore, Obama is just publically stating the same policy we've effectively had for the past 16 years.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Both Presidents Clinton and Bush had their opportunity to kill Bin Laden. Neither of them saw it as essential because they never seized the opportunity, obviously. Therefore, Obama is just publically stating the same policy we've effectively had for the past 16 years.

Actually 20+ years, George one had a chance to take him out as well, and they had a chance to kill him right after the Soviet/Afghan war.

 

[manowar821]

That's pretty sad. If he knows what's good for him, he'll have us keep hunting OBL. Unless he's ready to admit that this whole war on terror is a farce?

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Barrack Hussein Obama doesn't want to kill Osama Bin Laden....... what a surprise.....

Go chicken-march someplace else, jihadist.

 

[First]

rofl, I like how despite the OP getting reamed he continues to take it in good faith. :laugh:

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Evan
rofl, I like how despite the OP getting reamed he continues to take it in good faith. :laugh:

Yeah, I'm getting reamed :roll:

Nice of you to post and show your hypocrisy though, focusing on me instead of the clear parallel between Bush and Obama. Another good representation of partisan hackery, I appreciate that!

 

[First]

^ rofl, "parallel". Couldn't defend that if your life depended on it.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Evan
^ rofl, "parallel". Couldn't defend that if your life depended on it.

Back for more huh? Your little partisan brain can't handle it,can it?

Let me break it down into stupid little cliffs for your stupid little head:

Bush at first: "We're gonna get em, dead or alive!"
Bush later: "Nah, doesn't matter"

Obama at first: "I'm gonna get you sucka!"
Obama later: "Well, as long as he's holed up I'm not that worried".

Of course, you'll come back with more stupidity, but this forum would be boring if it wasn't for hacks like you

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

So if the choices are to send hundreds of American soldiers into a cave system to die in the hope of getting to Bin Laden in the end or to just close off the cave and let him and his men starve to death in there Obama prefers the second. This while a lot of Republicans here seem to want to see as many US soldiers die as possible.

Making sure he is locked in a cave and can no longer communicate with the outside world is quite a bit more effective than Bush' tactic of not hunting his old buddy and leaving him and his gang unharmed while going after the WMDs in Iraq...

 

[Murloc]

I think it's useless, if you kill him then there will be another leader, you should kill the whole organization.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I agree with what Obama says about OBL and I agreed with Bush that he really was no major concern once we had him hiding away like a scared little bitch. Making OBL run and hide has proven that all his bluster is really nothing more than that - big talk from someone who has demonstrated himself to be a wussy.

Of course the true partisans in here will rag on President one while giving a pass to the other. That's all this thread is about really, being a partisan tool. It ultimately has nothing to do with OBL.

Bingo!

Except for the simple little fact that it was Bush's bungling that allowed OBL to escape in the first place. He had the country's full support to get him, but totally blew it..... and that's exactly how the historians will record it too.

Of course I would expect "partisan tools" to be able to figure that out all by themselves. :laugh:

Looks like you have it all figured out already. Congrats. I'm sure nobody could tell you any different either.

All you neo-con clowns can to is attack the messenger.

Facts for the mentally challenged:

1. Bush was the one who said he wouldn't rest until OBL was dead or captured when he was banging his war drum.

2. Bush was the one who let OBL slip away (or can't find the body).

3. Bush moved the goal posts and said OBL didn't matter anymore.


Now does finding OBL matter or not?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I agree with what Obama says about OBL and I agreed with Bush that he really was no major concern once we had him hiding away like a scared little bitch. Making OBL run and hide has proven that all his bluster is really nothing more than that - big talk from someone who has demonstrated himself to be a wussy.

Of course the true partisans in here will rag on President one while giving a pass to the other. That's all this thread is about really, being a partisan tool. It ultimately has nothing to do with OBL.

Bingo!

Except for the simple little fact that it was Bush's bungling that allowed OBL to escape in the first place. He had the country's full support to get him, but totally blew it..... and that's exactly how the historians will record it too.

Of course I would expect "partisan tools" to be able to figure that out all by themselves. :laugh:

Looks like you have it all figured out already. Congrats. I'm sure nobody could tell you any different either.

All you neo-con clowns can to is attack the messenger.

I doubt you even know what a neo-con is, like so many that use the term nilly-willy.

Facts for the mentally challenged:

1. Bush was the one who said he wouldn't rest until OBL was dead or captured when he was banging his war drum.

2. Bush was the one who let OBL slip away (or can't find the body).

3. Bush moved the goal posts and said OBL didn't matter anymore.


Now does finding OBL matter or not?

I've said all along that it does not matter. Dead, captured, or hiding like a scared bitch makes no difference and a chage in one status to the other won't change a thing. Then again, I don't get bent out of shape by what Bush or Obama says about him. I leave that up to the partisan hacks tools in here. The same kind of partisan hacks that put forth inane rhetoric like "Bush was the one who let OBL slip away (or can't find the body)."

Whatever makes you feel righteous, pal. Only really stupid or seriously deranged people would slurp that kool-aid though.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Evan
^ rofl, "parallel". Couldn't defend that if your life depended on it.

Back for more huh? Your little partisan brain can't handle it,can it?

Let me break it down into stupid little cliffs for your stupid little head:

Bush at first: "We're gonna get em, dead or alive!"
Bush later: "Nah, doesn't matter"

Obama at first: "I'm gonna get you sucka!"
Obama later: "Well, as long as he's holed up I'm not that worried".

Of course, you'll come back with more stupidity, but this forum would be boring if it wasn't for hacks like you

What's funny is that you had to invent half the quotes there to make your point, and yet claim I'm stupid? lmao, you literally prove my point; can't argue there's a real parallel if your life depended on it, with actually quotes and context juxtaposed side-by-side.

Damn you're predictable in the worst ways. :laugh:

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I agree with what Obama says about OBL and I agreed with Bush that he really was no major concern once we had him hiding away like a scared little bitch. Making OBL run and hide has proven that all his bluster is really nothing more than that - big talk from someone who has demonstrated himself to be a wussy.

Of course the true partisans in here will rag on President one while giving a pass to the other. That's all this thread is about really, being a partisan tool. It ultimately has nothing to do with OBL.

Bingo!

Except for the simple little fact that it was Bush's bungling that allowed OBL to escape in the first place. He had the country's full support to get him, but totally blew it..... and that's exactly how the historians will record it too.

Of course I would expect "partisan tools" to be able to figure that out all by themselves. :laugh:

Looks like you have it all figured out already. Congrats. I'm sure nobody could tell you any different either.

All you neo-con clowns can to is attack the messenger.

I doubt you even know what a neo-con is, like so many that use the term nilly-willy.

Facts for the mentally challenged:

1. Bush was the one who said he wouldn't rest until OBL was dead or captured when he was banging his war drum.

2. Bush was the one who let OBL slip away (or can't find the body).

3. Bush moved the goal posts and said OBL didn't matter anymore.


Now does finding OBL matter or not?

I've said all along that it does not matter. Dead, captured, or hiding like a scared bitch makes no difference and a chage in one status to the other won't change a thing. Then again, I don't get bent out of shape by what Bush or Obama says about him. I leave that up to the partisan hacks tools in here. The same kind of partisan hacks that put forth inane rhetoric like "Bush was the one who let OBL slip away (or can't find the body)."

Whatever makes you feel righteous, pal. Only really stupid or seriously deranged people would slurp that kool-aid though.

Again with attacking the messenger. You fail to see that claiming everybody but you is partisian is making YOU feel "righteous".

OBL made a nice bad guy for Bush back in his "axis of evil" speech days, but now he doesn't matter. That's like saying if Bush is shot after he leaves office it doesn't matter.

Keep slurping it bitch.