Bar81 needs to be dealt with.

[Buz2b]

Originally posted by: Johnbear007




I don't think we can really base it on post count. "I have more posts then you so I am right" Personally I don't think post count means jack, other than that you post alot. Some people post alot of helpful stuff, but there are alot of people I see with high post counts that got them by flaming. I've seen Bar81 be minorly annoying a few times, but nearly as much as the other few i've mentioned. All i'm saying is that in my opinion these guys are everywhere, Bar81 is not an anomaly, and getting rid of him alone isn't going to change the fact that these boards have a really terrible culture of 'flaming'.

The number of confrontational, stubborn, and self-righteous members is staggering to me. So, rather than just ban one guy I would really prefer that rules concerning behavior start to be enforced, because honestly I think these boards are becoming rather unpleasant. Sure, not everyone is as downright nasty as Bar81 or SgtZulu, but I can't think of the last time I went into a thread and did not see at least one comment by someone that was a flame. Constant posts by rude repost police, and the non stop argumentative nature of those that can't abide anyone that has a different opinion than they do are ruining these boards as they become more popular.

I've been reading the boards for a long time. Far before I registered and started posting. It used to be that people were pleasnt and helpful, now anytime a noob asks a question, there is always at least one person who has to flame them, rudely tell them to search, or just do the good old REPOST. I wish these people would either pass the thread up and let it fall to the bottom, or instead of taking the time to be mean, take the time to be nice and answer the question. Pretty much every forum I read regularly (hotdeals,video,general hardware) as well as many of those I check once in awhile all seem to be a constant flame fest in every thread. This problem is not going to go away by banning Bar81 alone.

Nicely put, which probably means you might have some "strong disagreements" from others. The addition of OT a long while back just seemed to breed more rude people. I would in fact liken it to a breeding ground of the malicious, rude and generally not belonging on a self-respecting forum. But then, I'd be standing up on a soapbox and making myslelf another target, wouldn't I?! It's similar to what I've heard some say, this was started as a computer/hardware/software forum": What happened to that? It's kind of like the old saying, "It's difficult to remember, when you're up to your a$$ in alligators, that the original intent was to drain the swamp!" Probably too late too go back to the original intent. That's why I make it a habit to avoid OT and P&N. I've gotten caught in there a couple of times and it's a never ending flame fest; not what a forum should be. Now it seems to be bleeding over into other forums all too frequently.
/soapbox speech

 

[jdogg707]

Originally posted by: Trey22
I'm convinced... BAN!

 

[Macro2]

I had a little run in with bar81 at first but i do think he contributes a lot on the mobile stuff.

I voted not to ban.

 

[imported_TheRipper]

I am new here and I voted don't know don't care show me the results. LOL.
The thing is, and believe me I get around allot of forums when you ban one of these guys he is back in a matter of a few days with a new ID. They are usually as hard to spot as a forest fire and as persistent as the clap.

Believe me, if you do ban him he will be back with a vengence. We had a guy on a forum that was so bad we banned his whole IP range. The dude was back in less than an hour laughing at us yakking about how he stole ghost surf from kazaa. Then it was a daily thing, he would come on flame the hell out of us for 2-3 posts and get banned. The only thing we accomplished was banning about 200 user names in 2 weeks.

We still deal with him occasionally but I think he got tired of us before we beat him. You couldn't even catch him by email. The dude must have had 50 webmails signed up, maybe more. The guy is smart, but he uses it in all the wrong ways. The only way I could figure to stop him was to ban webmail addresses and that would have screwed far more people than him.

We finally just let him go. He is on just about everybodys ignore list. We found that it was just better to know who we were dealing with than looking at every new member with suspicion.
A bit long winded but I guess I got my point across. Good luck folks.

 

[Bleep]

Dear TheRipper
If you will check the list you will find that there are a lot of banned ISP's on this forum, also a ton of E-Mail providers. The method here has been brute force for banning and it works well. Just take this instance==if you are a member here and you go over to your friends house that has AOL you will not be able to log in using AOL as a ISP, this is pretty darn effective.

Bleep

 

[imported_Aelius]

Personally I know him a little bit.

On some issues we are dead set against each other, on others I can see valid arguments. Either way he is nothing to me personally other than another person on this forum. Having said that let me say this.

Many of the arguments in this thread give a perfect example why you (refering to many of you but being vague) are no better than just about anyone else on this forum including the person in question.

I seen some of the arguments and read the threads in great interest and just because you either disagreed with him, either right or wrong on various points, some of you refused to see logic and instead made it up as you went along to save face and keep egos intact.

Not to mention you kept poking him constantly which is just asking for an argument and dips you in the same BS you are trying to smear him with. You know what happens when you argue against someone who refuses to change their mind regardless of how right you think you are? Well to refresh your memory, I suggest you take a long look in a mirror.

It doesn't even matter if you are even right because your actions in this thread, and those in others, make you a hypocrite.

If you want to ban him go ahead but you better be prepared to ban most of the posters on this forum because many of you, myself included, are just as guilty as he is. :frown:

Edit: Take note of the bottom of my sig. That completes the AT forum picture.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Aelius
Many of the arguments in this thread give a perfect example why you (refering to many of you but being vague) are no better than just about anyone else on this forum including the person in question.

What a joke; I hope you weren't being serious there. Bar81 is the rudest member of these entire boards. Regardless of who was right of wrong in any of his threads, he was always cursing at people and engaging in ad-hom attacks. For you to tell us that we're on the same level as him is ludicrous. If you look through this thread, nobody has personally flamed a single person.

The intent of this thread was not to discuss who was right or who was wrong with regards to computer hardware; it was to point out that the way Bar81 conducts himself is completely inappropriate.

The AnandTech forums often turn up when I do a google search. I can just picture the look on Anand's face if he were to see one of Bar81's threads like that; it makes his entire organization look bad.

If you talk to people the way he does, Aelius, you should be banned as well.

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Aelius
Many of the arguments in this thread give a perfect example why you (refering to many of you but being vague) are no better than just about anyone else on this forum including the person in question.

What a joke; I hope you weren't being serious there. Bar81 is the rudest member of these entire boards. Regardless of who was right of wrong in any of his threads, he was always cursing at people and engaging in ad-hom attacks. For you to tell us that we're on the same level as him is ludicrous. If you look through this thread, nobody has personally flamed a single person.

The intent of this thread was not to discuss who was right or who was wrong with regards to computer hardware; it was to point out that the way Bar81 conducts himself is completely inappropriate.

The AnandTech forums often turn up when I do a google search. I can just picture the look on Anand's face if he were to see one of Bar81's threads like that; it makes his entire organization look bad.

If you talk to people the way he does, Aelius, you should be banned as well.

Your remarks are meaningless because there are dozens upon dozens of other people, including those in some of his threads, that thrive on personal attacks and do it daily without anyone doing anything about it.

If you are going to hang one person you better hang all the others. Those "other" people are quite happily posting without anyone caring because they aren't the target of attack, be it personal or otherwise.

Also just because someone is crude in their insults does not make someone who is eloquent in their insults right.

Like the naive comment above.

Thank you for proving my point.

 

[Johnbear007]

Originally posted by: Aelius

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Aelius
Many of the arguments in this thread give a perfect example why you (refering to many of you but being vague) are no better than just about anyone else on this forum including the person in question.

What a joke; I hope you weren't being serious there. Bar81 is the rudest member of these entire boards. Regardless of who was right of wrong in any of his threads, he was always cursing at people and engaging in ad-hom attacks. For you to tell us that we're on the same level as him is ludicrous. If you look through this thread, nobody has personally flamed a single person.

The intent of this thread was not to discuss who was right or who was wrong with regards to computer hardware; it was to point out that the way Bar81 conducts himself is completely inappropriate.

The AnandTech forums often turn up when I do a google search. I can just picture the look on Anand's face if he were to see one of Bar81's threads like that; it makes his entire organization look bad.

If you talk to people the way he does, Aelius, you should be banned as well.

Your remarks are meaningless because there are dozens upon dozens of other people, including those in some of his threads, that thrive on personal attacks and do it daily without anyone doing anything about it.

If you are going to hang one person you better hang all the others. Those "other" people are quite happily posting without anyone caring because they aren't the target of attack, be it personal or otherwise.

Also just because someone is crude in their insults does not make someone who is eloquent in their insults right.

Like the naive comment above.

Thank you for proving my point.

The bad behavior of one person does not excuse the bad behavior of others. You are saying the same thing, but reaching a different conclusion. You are stating that because others are behaving badly it is hypocritical and wrong to attempt to encourage anyone to behave well. I think this is a dangerous policy, if we accepted this logic then everytime someone commited a murder, we would have to let them go because other people have commited murders in the past as well.

I think what you are making assumptions based on the concept of hypocrisy that don't really follow. A hypocrite may accuse someone of an unnaceptable action they themselves engage, but this doesn't make their accusation any less true. Hopefully, they will end up getting punished themselves as well. Hypocrisy creates a degredation of character, and while I don't esteem anyone who engages in it, I certaintly don't think using it as an excuse to punish no one is a good choice.

I agree that many people on these forums engage in similiar behavior. I believe they should be reprimanded as well. It would be different if anyone were arguing that bar81 should be the only one punished, however I don't believe they are. I certaintly am not.

Your remarks are meaningless because there are dozens upon dozens of other people, including those in some of his threads, that thrive on personal attacks and do it daily without anyone doing anything about it.

The responsibility of one murderer does not become meaningless simply because dozens of others are commited. The accuser, if a murder himself, should simply stand the same punishment as the accused.

 

[imported_Aelius]

The difference is that this guy is getting picked on but none of the others are because either;

a) They are popular. Hence good luck making a logical attack on their actions because you are going to get stonewalled.

b) Have a bunch of friends who show up for a good stomping if you dare to say anything. Is it too much to ask for anyone but one or two people to stand up to these kinds of immature people? Apparently.

c) Have been a longtime member and hence others feel that just because they have been here longer that suddenly means that their actions are above reproach.

The real hypocrisy is that some people picked on him, no not always, and got a crude reaction. Instead of them being here along with him he is here alone.

It's selective punishment at best and a lynch mob at worst.

Take your pick.

P.S. When you guys decide to stand up to these people (including popular, and long time members) on a regular basis and I see them here I'll change my mind. Until then I refuse to acknowledge this as anything but hypocritical.

 

[AnnoyedGrunt]

There are always going to be rude, inconsiderate, and immature posters on threads. Often the people themselves are nice in person, but the anonymous nature of the internet makes it much easier to be rude. Similar to how many people drive like A$$holes, and yet are perfectly nice in person.

I've found that often, the flames occur because of a simple misunderstanding due to the inability of the written word to convey sarcasm, joking, etc. (even with the plethora of smileys, what one person thought was a funny little joke ends up being offensive to someone else).

The great equalizer in all this, is that very quickly we all realize who contributes thoughful comments and who merely flames and makes insulting comments. It doesn't take long for those who are rude to loose all credibility and therefore they become just another person to ignore. Engaging in arguments, personal attacks, and so on only makes the one making the attacks look bad, and certainly doesn't do any damage to the intended target.

Therefore, it seems best just to forget about anyone who post craps, and reply only to those with thoughtful responses. In the end, the only reason people can carry on flame fests is because they have someone flaming back. As one of my high school teachers used to say, "It takes two to tangle." While that philosophy doesn't always work well in physical altercations, it is extremely effective in forum arguments. Quit responding to the flamer and the argument will die out on its own.

IMO, that is the best way to keep the forums useful. Just ignore the A-holes and they will fade away.

-D'oh!

 

[Abhi]

Seeing his reply to this thread...... BAN!

 

[amheck]

OP, you got WAY too much time on your hands.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: amheck
OP, you got WAY too much time on your hands.

With an average of 2.86 posts per day?

If you're talking about this thread, I only created it after no less than four run-ins with Bar81.

 

[ss284]

I can't say that I'm much better about controlling myself (as seen by some of the previous evidence), however I would have to say I've never posted anything like that before on these forums untill bar81 came along. Oh yeah, I still stand by what I said.


-Steve

 

[SickBeast]

He's back at it again.

I really wish the mods would deal with this guy. I'm starting to think that threads like this don't result in any sort of action being taken. If it continues I'll PM a mod.