Banned items fly past security

[steppinthrax]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14807713/

Interesting, he/she can bring their hand lotin but I can't, lol..... I'm just wondering why we always do things right after we find out about an exploit. There are dozens of ways to hide something or bomb a plane and very few of them need to be liquid.....

 

[Todd33]

Spotting 2oz of lotion with a X-ray is near impossible. I think the current rules are just for show, they want to look like they are doing something, even if it's something ridiculous.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

These new regualtions are completely unenforceable.

This time next week I'll be in Maui. Most of my time will be spent on that island, but I will be taking a day trip over to the Big Island and I'll be damned if I'm going to buy a tube of sunscreen just for the day over there. So I'll stash a tube in one of the over sized pockets of my cargo shorts. They don't make you empty your pockets at security so it shouldn't be a big deal.

 

[Chiller2]

If they are going to make this a perminant Ban instead of a temorary one and want it obeyed they need to have penalties for breaking it. Say $500.00 fine and not allowed on flight with no refund for first offence.

 

[CycloWizard]

You can't have liquids after the checkpoint. Unless you're willing to pony up $3 for a Coke at one of the approved vendors. Oh, but you have to finish it before you take it on the plane, because you're not allowed to carry on any liquids. Oh, but there is no enforcement, because we trust you. What a joke.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Chiller2
If they are going to make this a perminant Ban instead of a temorary one and want it obeyed they need to have penalties for breaking it. Say $500.00 fine and not allowed on flight with no refund for first offence.

That's ridiculous, they take it away, same as any other banned item no big deal.

I had lens cleaner in my bag and they let it through after examining it, it just slipped my mind, these things happen.

As far as getting stuff through in your pockets, it is that easy. I've also heard you can do the same with lighters but I haven't tried it myself.

 

[Schadenfroh]

But they sure will catch that Dell notebook!

 

[Chiller2]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Chiller2
If they are going to make this a perminant Ban instead of a temorary one and want it obeyed they need to have penalties for breaking it. Say $500.00 fine and not allowed on flight with no refund for first offence.

That's ridiculous, they take it away, same as any other banned item no big deal.

I had lens cleaner in my bag and they let it through after examining it, it just slipped my mind, these things happen.

As far as getting stuff through in your pockets, it is that easy. I've also heard you can do the same with lighters but I haven't tried it myself.

If it cost you $500.00 bet you would remember it next time.

 

[BrownTown]

No, you wouldn't because they would never catch you if you had any sort of marginal intellegence. In case you didn't know, security cannot be foolproof. It is stupid to think that it is, if I wanted to I'm 100% positive I could sneak a bomb onto a plane. The fact is that it is simply a little harder to blow up a plane, but nowhere near impossible. Getting a gun on a plane with the metal detectors might be a little harder, but still entirely possible, especially if you have some knowledge of the layout of the airport that would allow you to bypass security.

EDIT: of course if you want to kill people there are alot easier ways then blowing up a plane.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Chiller2

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Chiller2
If they are going to make this a perminant Ban instead of a temorary one and want it obeyed they need to have penalties for breaking it. Say $500.00 fine and not allowed on flight with no refund for first offence.

That's ridiculous, they take it away, same as any other banned item no big deal.

I had lens cleaner in my bag and they let it through after examining it, it just slipped my mind, these things happen.

As far as getting stuff through in your pockets, it is that easy. I've also heard you can do the same with lighters but I haven't tried it myself.

If it cost you $500.00 bet you would remember it next time.

Well that's overkill, I could bring a knife in my bag and the worst thing is they would take it away, they won't impose any such thing for hair gel or the like. People won't stand for it, that's what I'm trying to say. The same thing with rumors that soon peope won't be able to bring laptops in carry-on, the airlines or DoHS might want to impose it, but the people won't put up with that crap. As a frequent business traveller, I'm not going to have a project of mine put into jeopardy because the airline stomped on my checked bag, they already tear my crap up the 50% of the time they inspect my bags.

 

[BrownTown]

Also, just as a random question, anyone know how much metal it takes to set off those detectors. Last time I went on a plane I had keys, a watch, metal belt buckle, and jeans with little metal rivet things and the metal detectors never went off. It was deffinitely more metal than a box cutter.

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
Also, just as a random question, anyone know how much metal it takes to set off those detectors. Last time I went on a plane I had keys, a watch, metal belt buckle, and jeans with little metal rivet things and the metal detectors never went off. It was deffinitely more metal than a box cutter.

It's adjustable - it probably should not differ between airports though (TSA threshold I'm sure). They are looking for guns and knives mostly, and some metals set them off more than others.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14807713/

Interesting, he/she can bring their hand lotin but I can't, lol..... I'm just wondering why we always do things right after we find out about an exploit. There are dozens of ways to hide something or bomb a plane and very few of them need to be liquid.....

Welcome to P&N

Do you feel safer now that a book is a banned item?

9-14-2006 J.K. Rowling challenges NY airport security to carry handwriiten manuscript with her

British author J.K. Rowling says she won an argument with airport security officials in New York to carry the manuscript of the final " Harry Potter" book as carryon baggage.

Had security agents not relented, she said on her Web site, she might not have flown, she said in a posting dated Wednesday.

"I don't know what I would have done if they hadn't ? sailed home probably," she wrote

 

[BrownTown]

lol, they think shes writting on nitrocellulose or what?

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14807713/

Interesting, he/she can bring their hand lotin but I can't, lol..... I'm just wondering why we always do things right after we find out about an exploit. There are dozens of ways to hide something or bomb a plane and very few of them need to be liquid.....

Welcome to P&N

Do you feel safer now that a book is a banned item?

9-14-2006 J.K. Rowling challenges NY airport security to carry handwriiten manuscript with her

British author J.K. Rowling says she won an argument with airport security officials in New York to carry the manuscript of the final " Harry Potter" book as carryon baggage.

Had security agents not relented, she said on her Web site, she might not have flown, she said in a posting dated Wednesday.

"I don't know what I would have done if they hadn't ? sailed home probably," she wrote

Good lord... the woman is worth how many hundreds of millions of dollars? She could have just went down to the Glufstream store and picked up a shiny new G550.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14807713/

Interesting, he/she can bring their hand lotin but I can't, lol..... I'm just wondering why we always do things right after we find out about an exploit. There are dozens of ways to hide something or bomb a plane and very few of them need to be liquid.....

Welcome to P&N

Do you feel safer now that a book is a banned item?

9-14-2006 J.K. Rowling challenges NY airport security to carry handwriiten manuscript with her

British author J.K. Rowling says she won an argument with airport security officials in New York to carry the manuscript of the final " Harry Potter" book as carryon baggage.

Had security agents not relented, she said on her Web site, she might not have flown, she said in a posting dated Wednesday.

"I don't know what I would have done if they hadn't ? sailed home probably," she wrote

Good lord... the woman is worth how many hundreds of millions of dollars? She could have just went down to the Glufstream store and picked up a shiny new G550.

Typical rich republican answer to everything :roll:

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Chiller2
If they are going to make this a perminant Ban instead of a temorary one and want it obeyed they need to have penalties for breaking it. Say $500.00 fine and not allowed on flight with no refund for first offence.

Baliff, whack his pee pee!

 

[6800GTguy]

Well, just as a benchmark, on a recent trip to Europe...well, a little backstory here - during the summer, I made a pair of spiked brass knuckles (basically a band of tape with nails sticking out of it - and don't flip out, I didn't plan to use it. I make things like that just to pass the time), and brought it over a friend's house in my backpack. Within that same backpack was also a metal wood-punching thing - basically a long metal spike. And these were both in my outer backpack pocket. Well, later that summer, I brought that same backpack along on my Europe trip as carry-on luggage. I emptied out the inner pockets, but forgot about the outer pockets. Well, I went through two checkpoints on the way there, and two checkpoints on the way back, and nothing was discovered. You can only imagine my face when I got back home from JFK and found spiked knuckles and a steel spike in my outer pocket. Still, it makes for a good story about National Security. And yes, this was after 2001.

Another time, my friend walked through two security checkpoints with a fruit knife on the OUTSIDE of her backpack - that's as in, on a little strap on the outside of the pack. As in, it was viewable to the naked eye at a glance. And this was a sharp knife - I cut myself deeply with it about 2 times during the trip - and again, it was carry-on. And like before, we nearly **** our pants when we realized what we had done.

If they can't catch steel spikes, spiked knuckles, and knives in plain sight, then they certainly can't catch bottles of eye drops in your pocket.

 

[marvdmartian]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
Also, just as a random question, anyone know how much metal it takes to set off those detectors. Last time I went on a plane I had keys, a watch, metal belt buckle, and jeans with little metal rivet things and the metal detectors never went off. It was deffinitely more metal than a box cutter.

Different metals take different amounts to set off the detectors. My brother does a lot of flying for his company, and he's told me a few things to keep the metal detectors quiet when you go through them. First off, change doesn't set them off.......my guess is they're not concerned about copper/nickel/silver/etc items. Second, he says if you scuff your feet a little on the carpeting before you go through the detector, you're much less likely to set it off......just something to do with the static charge you build up on your body.
As far as metals go, I've noticed that stainless steel doesn't set off the detectors as quickly as regular (carbon) steel does. Both my eyeglass frames & watch are stainless steel, and I can go through the detector without setting it off. But carry keys through, and it squawks. Go figure.

Sadly, we can't expect 100% accountability at the security checkpoints. It's just a human nature thing......plus, figure that the same morons that were working for the private security firms before 911 are working security for TSA now. :roll:

Oh yeah, and don't forget that a ceramic knife is super-sharp, and won't set off a metal detector at all.....scary, isn't it? :shocked:

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
No, you wouldn't because they would never catch you if you had any sort of marginal intellegence. In case you didn't know, security cannot be foolproof. It is stupid to think that it is, if I wanted to I'm 100% positive I could sneak a bomb onto a plane. The fact is that it is simply a little harder to blow up a plane, but nowhere near impossible. Getting a gun on a plane with the metal detectors might be a little harder, but still entirely possible, especially if you have some knowledge of the layout of the airport that would allow you to bypass security.

EDIT: of course if you want to kill people there are alot easier ways then blowing up a plane.

My! My! Blow up a plane? You rig it to blow while in X-ray. Shrapnel, high explosives. and radiation contamination all while you wait in line.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14807713/

Interesting, he/she can bring their hand lotin but I can't, lol..... I'm just wondering why we always do things right after we find out about an exploit. There are dozens of ways to hide something or bomb a plane and very few of them need to be liquid.....

Welcome to P&N

Do you feel safer now that a book is a banned item?

9-14-2006 J.K. Rowling challenges NY airport security to carry handwriiten manuscript with her

British author J.K. Rowling says she won an argument with airport security officials in New York to carry the manuscript of the final " Harry Potter" book as carryon baggage.

Had security agents not relented, she said on her Web site, she might not have flown, she said in a posting dated Wednesday.

"I don't know what I would have done if they hadn't ? sailed home probably," she wrote

Good lord... the woman is worth how many hundreds of millions of dollars? She could have just went down to the Glufstream store and picked up a shiny new G550.

Typical rich republican answer to everything :roll:

Sarcasm is just totally lost on you, isn't it?

 

[trenchfoot]

warning: power down your sarcasm meters if you want to read further.

you guys are all worried for abso-frickin-lutely nothing because the bush team said:

we're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here.

there hasn't been an attack on american soil since we invaded iraq.

as per chertoff, we are much more secure than before 9/11.

there are only a few islamic fanatics who are doing all the nasty stuff in iraq.

we are winning the war on terror.

it is not, and never was about the oil in iraq.

osama is a non-issue. don't worry about him. it's saddam. it's all saddam's fault. and we got him. mission accomplished.

gen. franks always gives us only the cold hard facts when he reports to the people on the situation in iraq, and he says we're making "real progress" there.

the pre-war estimates on how long it was going to take and how much it was going to cost to free the iraqi people from the tyrannical rule of saddam the terrorist breeder is as dead on the money as everything else the bush team feels they are "right" about. right?

and because of the above, our borders are secure. our ports are secure. our airways are secure. your phone lines are secure, and therefore, your constitutional rights are secure. as such, if we hand over all of our remaining rights that bush hasn't already taken away from us for our protection through the perfectly legal use of signing statements, the bush steamroller can really do a job on us...err, ahhh, i meant "job for us."

why should you believe bush, cheney, wolfowitz and rumsfeld you ask? why not?

why not indeed. they wouldn't lie to us. they represent all that is good and righteous in our country. they are willing to sacrifice any amount of their troops to get rid of all the wmd's and nuclear weapons hiding in iraq.

their one and only concern is for the safety and security of the american people. especailly the middle class and the poor, and especially espeically for the really poor ones who are classified as undocumented workers from mexico.

edit - spl

 

[ericlp]

Haven't found one bomb yet! What a joke!

Not to mention a waste of money and time. And all this BS because Bush wants you to feel safe!!!

 

[DrPizza]

A couple weeks ago, I was at a presentation on spotting security risks...
After the presentation, I said to one of the presenters, "I'm just wondering - the media makes it seem like you guys had no clue that liquid explosives could be used. Are you actually aware of other scenarios that could possibly take down a plane?" I mentioned a few things I had thought of that would be simple to take on board and could seriously compromise a flight. Yes, they were aware of all of them.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

I had to fly to Anchorage last Friday. So I get in line and the first TSA person checked my ID against my ticket. I saw she was hacking away on her keyboard so I peeked over her shoulder... she was surfing tiffanys.com for a wedding ring.

Since 9/11 I have carried screwdrivers, exacto knives, wire cutters and other implements of destruction onto airplanes. Every airport security measure enacted since 9/11 is completely worthless. The only reason we will never have another 9/11 is that passengers will beat the crap out of anyone who acts weird. (Like the guy last week who tried to open the door in mid flight)

Other than that, all the new regs have accomplished are longer lines, frustrated passengers, more expensive plane tickets and three times the incompetent security staff than I had to deal with prior.