Banker Bailout leads to BIG Bonuses Billions and Billions

Chunkee

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Interesting commentary

Sorry I was so late getting to this thread

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BoomerD

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No surprise there.

I'm sure our resident corporate apologists will chime in with comments about how these poor banks NEED to pay these bonuses to retain their employees...

Bunch of corporate blood-suckers...

Death to the Corporations!!
 

brandonb

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Death to corruption, corporates are ok, but they are responsible for their own actions, even if that means they go under.
 

ebaycj

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I believe that GS was one of the financial companies that did not want/need the bailout and had it forced upon them. If they didn't need/want it but had to take it anyway, why would we expect them to act as if they were bailed out?

With that being said:

GS bonuses are historically extremely large though. Average (across the whole employee base, for the last few years) has been usually north of 50% of your salary.

Non-financial industry people don't really get it, but when you get bonuses like that year after year, and they are large industry-wide (for the most part they have been), you come to expect them. They actually become part of the "normal" pay for the job. People start negotiating pre-defined bonuses based on ability and performance metrics (just like you would do with salary/raises).

In finance, if you did a good job and got a crappy bonus, often times you can easily find another job across the street, doing the exact same thing you are good at, and negotiate a higher base salary and a higher bonus. Obviously this year is very different than normal, but companies still feel the need to give bonuses to their good employees (the ones in profitable departments, not responsible for the meltdown), in order to prevent said "good" employees from leaving and becoming their competiton.

In the finance industry, your products are only as good as the people you have running them, so there is a massive emphasis placed on retaining good people. The surest way to retain people is to fatten up their wallet.

You might think that this situation is immoral or that these employees are not loyal or whatever, and that's fine, that's your perogative. However this is real life, not a morality play, and its just the way it is. People are selfish and usually do what's right for themselves. And in the financial heart of Corporate America, it's all about the money.
 

DealMonkey

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Why the F aren't these bonuses tied to performance?!? Why? Goldman Sachs lost approximately the same amount in the 4th quarter as their bonus pool.
 

cubby1223

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This is just business as usual. Goldman Sachs didn't cause this problem in the economy. Banks throwing $200k mortgages to people without even proof of income is why the economy is screwed.

If you direct all your hate and anger at anything and everything, it just doesn't hold any weight anymore.
 

ebaycj

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Originally posted by: udneekgnim
I need advice as to how to land a job at Goldman Sachs

can anyone help me?

It is actually very difficult to get a job there. Best way is to know someone on the inside.
 

brencat

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Originally posted by: udneekgnim
I need advice as to how to land a job at Goldman Sachs

can anyone help me?

Very high academic accomplishment (3.7+gpa) from an Ivy League school, demonstrated leadership in extra-curricular activities, an interest in the capital markets and ability to discuss your own personal investments intelligently when asked, maturity beyond your years, and a lot of luck.
 

child of wonder

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Originally posted by: brencat
Originally posted by: udneekgnim
I need advice as to how to land a job at Goldman Sachs

can anyone help me?

Very high academic accomplishment (3.7+gpa) from an Ivy League school, demonstrated leadership in extra-curricular activities, an interest in the capital markets and ability to discuss your own personal investments intelligently when asked, maturity beyond your years, and a lot of luck.

"It's not what you know, it's who you blow."
 

JSt0rm

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Originally posted by: brencat
Originally posted by: udneekgnim
I need advice as to how to land a job at Goldman Sachs

can anyone help me?

Very high academic accomplishment (3.7+gpa) from an Ivy League school, demonstrated leadership in extra-curricular activities, an interest in the capital markets and ability to discuss your own personal investments intelligently when asked, maturity beyond your years, and a lot of luck.

Don't forget the work ethic to work from 9am till 11pm M-F
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: brencat
Originally posted by: udneekgnim
I need advice as to how to land a job at Goldman Sachs

can anyone help me?

Very high academic accomplishment (3.7+gpa) from an Ivy League school, demonstrated leadership in extra-curricular activities, an interest in the capital markets and ability to discuss your own personal investments intelligently when asked, maturity beyond your years, and a lot of luck.

Does not have to be Ivy's....Booth, Kellogg, Ross, Haas, Mendoza etc etc etc are all acceptable.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: ebaycj
I believe that GS was one of the financial companies that did not want/need the bailout and had it forced upon them. If they didn't need/want it but had to take it anyway, why would we expect them to act as if they were bailed out?

With that being said:

GS bonuses are historically extremely large though. Average (across the whole employee base, for the last few years) has been usually north of 50% of your salary.

Non-financial industry people don't really get it, but when you get bonuses like that year after year, and they are large industry-wide (for the most part they have been), you come to expect them. They actually become part of the "normal" pay for the job. People start negotiating pre-defined bonuses based on ability and performance metrics (just like you would do with salary/raises).

In finance, if you did a good job and got a crappy bonus, often times you can easily find another job across the street, doing the exact same thing you are good at, and negotiate a higher base salary and a higher bonus. Obviously this year is very different than normal, but companies still feel the need to give bonuses to their good employees (the ones in profitable departments, not responsible for the meltdown), in order to prevent said "good" employees from leaving and becoming their competiton.

In the finance industry, your products are only as good as the people you have running them, so there is a massive emphasis placed on retaining good people. The surest way to retain people is to fatten up their wallet.

You might think that this situation is immoral or that these employees are not loyal or whatever, and that's fine, that's your perogative. However this is real life, not a morality play, and its just the way it is. People are selfish and usually do what's right for themselves. And in the financial heart of Corporate America, it's all about the money.

And when the American taxpayers bail out your failed business I think we should have a say in how that money is spent.

This is completely irresponsible and we, the people, have a right to be outraged. :|
 

heyheybooboo

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Originally posted by: cubby1223
This is just business as usual. Goldman Sachs didn't cause this problem in the economy. Banks throwing $200k mortgages to people without even proof of income is why the economy is screwed.

mmmm ... keep telling yourself that.

Between the Fed, the Tarp and all the other central bank gyrations around the world, I'd say around 20 million homes could have had their mortgages paid down by $100k each based upon your "$200k mortgages" (not that I'm suggesting that).

I guess 40:1 leverage, default swaps, CDOs, securitization and a laisez-faire SEC, Fed, FDIC and Treasury Dept didn't have anything to do with it ...

It's not like Goldman Sachs would routinely short the paper it pumped, huh?
 

Red Dawn

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They went to college and got a degree so they're entitled to it. Fuck the unskilled assembly line Auto Worker, over paid drains on society:roll:
 

ebaycj

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
They went to college and got a degree so they're entitled to it. Fuck the unskilled assembly line Auto Worker, over paid drains on society:roll:

Yep, basically.
 

ChunkiMunki

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yes the elite college educated finacial wizards are now too dumb to bail themselves out, and need ignorant blue collar unionized dumbshits to foot the bill.
 

ericlp

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You can thank bush for this......... and tanking the nation! I knew he'd do it before he left office! Nice to see where are 700Billion went. :p

Mission Accomplished!

 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: ChunkiMunki
yes the elite college educated finacial wizards are now too dumb to bail themselves out, and need ignorant blue collar unionized dumbshits to foot the bill.

Funny, without Goldman Sachs Ford wouldn't even be a public company.

http://www.answers.com/topic/goldman-sachs

Many forget that when companies IPO the i-banks take a tremendous amount of risk in buying the securities. The same goes for corporate bond issuances.

Without banks there'd be no large companies. Shut the fuck up with this class war bullshit. Banks need companies, companies need banks.
 

JJChicken

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Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
Originally posted by: brencat
Originally posted by: udneekgnim
I need advice as to how to land a job at Goldman Sachs

can anyone help me?

Very high academic accomplishment (3.7+gpa) from an Ivy League school, demonstrated leadership in extra-curricular activities, an interest in the capital markets and ability to discuss your own personal investments intelligently when asked, maturity beyond your years, and a lot of luck.

Don't forget the work ethic to work from 9am till 2am M-F

Fixed.
 

JJChicken

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: ChunkiMunki
yes the elite college educated finacial wizards are now too dumb to bail themselves out, and need ignorant blue collar unionized dumbshits to foot the bill.

Funny, without Goldman Sachs Ford wouldn't even be a public company.

http://www.answers.com/topic/goldman-sachs

Many forget that when companies IPO the i-banks take a tremendous amount of risk in buying the securities. The same goes for corporate bond issuances.

Puhlease. Exaggerating a bit there?

Without banks there'd be no large companies. Shut the fuck up with this class war bullshit. Banks need companies, companies need banks.
QFT



 

brandonbull

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Originally posted by: ChunkiMunki
yes the elite college educated finacial wizards are now too dumb to bail themselves out, and need ignorant blue collar unionized dumbshits to foot the bill.

They are smart enough to collect a few points on each mortgage backed security they sell and they use others money to pay for their bonus pool after the shit hits the fan.
Sounds pretty smart to me.