Bang for the buck 40" 4K

[Muse]

What am I looking for? Good deals? BF is coming up and Cyber Monday. It's for my desktop, which is running a 23" display now, but I'd like to upgrade. Ideas appreciated.

 

[mnewsham]

I'd personally stay away from chinese branded panels, look for a big name panel on sale, Samsung, Sony, LG.

Be aware, using a TV as a monitor these days works fairly decently for desktop use, for gaming it depends on the type of game, strategy games like Civ 5 or Total war will be fine, but first person shooters will probably have a bit too much latency on the panel for you to be comfortable using it.

Even without waiting for black friday deals, you shouldn't need to spend above $400. Bestbuy has a 40" and 43" samsung available for under $400 already.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I picked up some budget no-name (?) "Avera" 40" 4K UHD TVs, back on BF 2016, for around $200 ea. I lucked out, they've been GREAT! I don't know about longevity, and speakers are pretty crappy, but the display is awesome.

Newegg still carries that brand. They had a 49" model 4K for $249.xx recently, on a ShellShocker, I think.

Mine came with four HDMI 2.0 ports, very nice. Also, allows for 4:4:4 @ 4K60, with an "HDMI: Enhanced" setting. My cheap generic HDMI 2.0 cables, some have issues with that setting.

Even my older GT 630 / 730 (Kepler) NV cards, will do decent 4K60 desktop display, even over their HDMI 1.4 ports.

Edit: Haven't don't any serious gaming on it, but have watched 4K60 gaming videos on YouTube, and they look really sweet.

 

[killster1]

Any reason to get 40"? i have a similar question / need but it all boils down to refresh hz at 4k and input lag. 60hz at 4k is cool but is there better ? i bought a few seiki that i got for 200$ shipped 2 or 3 years ago they do 60hz@4k 40 or 42", no 4:4:4 but txt is very clear.

what is the budget? best bang for buck but under 600? I have been eying the P quantum vizo and 5 series TCL, best bang for buck displays. no 40" versions tho 55" would be ok for desktop? i know some games might require looking around the screen as apposed to just looking at the entire screen
SAMSUNG NU8000 600$? freesync support?

 

[Muse]

Myself, I don't game. I have some games but haven't played anything in years. I figure some HDTV stuff, and when ATSC 3.0 comes hopefully the display will be up to it. Also, maybe some 4K movies on disk or internet feeds of who knows? I'm supposed to be able to upgrade to gigabit fiber internet any week now (come on Sonic!!!) from my current <5mbps DSL rubbish.

Any reason to get 40"?

TBH, I was riffing off VirtualLarry's 40" mega-satisfaction, which he expressed in previous threads and am happy he posted here because I couldn't remember what he said! Thanks, Larry!

So, 40"? Well, not at all sure it's the right dimension for me, but I figure that Larry's using it for computing and I can too. I use a projector and large white screen to watch movies, but a 23" monitor would work for that and a 40" wide screen display should work even better... as long as I'm comfortable in my chair. Multiple HDMI inputs would allow me to run a separate computer adjacent to my desktops into it too, a nice touch.

 

[Muse]

I picked up some budget no-name (?) "Avera" 40" 4K UHD TVs, back on BF 2016, for around $200 ea.

That (or something very like it) appears to be available for $200 now (w/ free shipping) at Newegg.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Oh, and the reason that I chose 40", was that:
1) That was the model that was on sale for $200, and
2) It fits on my computer desk(s). Just barely.

 

[VirtualLarry]

That (or something very like it) appears to be available for $200 now (w/ free shipping) at Newegg.

Yeah, that's basically it, although one year newer than mine. (Hopefully improved, and not just cost-reduced.) I see that one has four HDMI2.0 ports too.

I'd snag one, if you want it, if you think that the price is right. Like I said, I don't game much on it, although I've played Skyrim (vanilla) @ 4K UHD and Tekken 7 PC (at 1080P upscaled), and it seemed... alright.

Edit: I would also recommend an RX 560 4GB or RX 570/580 4GB/8GB to drive it.

 

[VirtualLarry]

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889651014&ignorebbr=1

ShellShocker today, 11/04/2018, for $179.99. Shows "Sold Out" for now, but sometimes they do that on popular items, it starts out Sold Out, then comes back in stock every few hours. Keep an eye out for it.

If you want a cheap (but decent) 40" 4K UHD screen, jump on this one.

 

[mxnerd]

TCL 43" 4K TV

https://www.amazon.com/TCL-43S425-Inch-Ultra-Smart/dp/B07DK5PZFY/

 

[Muse]

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889651014&ignorebbr=1

ShellShocker today, 11/04/2018, for $179.99. Shows "Sold Out" for now, but sometimes they do that on popular items, it starts out Sold Out, then comes back in stock every few hours. Keep an eye out for it.

If you want a cheap (but decent) 40" 4K UHD screen, jump on this one.

That appears to be the same item as the other one only $20 cheaper (and out of stock!). Kinda weird. It's showing Out of Stock ATM.

 

[Muse]

Edit: I would also recommend an RX 560 4GB or RX 570/580 4GB/8GB to drive it.

Those are video cards? The one I got from you wouldn't work or do it justice?

It's label says:
- -
VCGGT620XPB
51482 53742

PNY
Geforce GT620 1024MB DDR3 PCIE
PNY PO# 153318

GMGT62WN2F IEH + 0TP6AXA

P108A01AA01 P0202006016
- -

 

[mnewsham]

Those are video cards? The one I got from you wouldn't work or do it justice?

The GT 620 came out in 2012. Further, it's a rebranded GPU from the 5xx series, specifically the GT 530, which came out in 2011, and was itself a more or less a rebrand of the GT 430 from 2010.

4k TVs at that time had barely come out at all, and were well beyond most consumer budgets, and not until 2015/16 did they really get cheap and wide-spread.

So essentially, your GPU was really made for 720p and 1080p. Oddly enough, the GT 520, and the OEM version of the GT 620 (not the version you have) DO support UHD 4k video decoding. But the regular GT 620 is based on an older design and uses an older video decoding block that can only do 1080p video decoding.


So the tldr is, you need a new GPU. Though if you wont be gaming, you don't need to get something as high end as the RX 560/570/580. You could look at the RX 550 or the GT 1030, both of which can be found new for under $100. And both of which should easily support 4k video playback.

 

[mxnerd]

You could look at the RX 550 or the GT 1030, both of which can be found new for under $100. And both of which should easily support 4k video playback.

I'm not familiar with video cards.
If I want to go cheap, wouldn't this GT710 supports 4K TV/display?
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125900

 

[mnewsham]

I'm not familiar with video cards, but wouldn't his GT710 supports 4K TV/display?
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125900

Yes, but only for h.264 since the GT 710 uses PureVideo HD generation 5 The GT 1030 uses the 8th generation which has support for h.265 decoding at up to 8k resolution. As well as 4k VP9 hardware decoding.
Most services that support 4k streaming do so with h.265(HEVC) or VP9. So that's pretty much a requirement unless you want to download everything and then transcode to h264 so the GPU can actually play it back.

 

[killster1]

If its JUST for video then vizo P series or TCL 5 series. hands down best bang for buck, 500-600. Yes you can get cheaper displays but for a little more why not get something WAY better.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Yes, but only for h.264 since the GT 710 uses PureVideo HD generation 5 The GT 1030 uses the 8th generation which has support for h.265 decoding at up to 8k resolution. As well as 4k VP9 hardware decoding.
Most services that support 4k streaming do so with h.265(HEVC) or VP9. So that's pretty much a requirement unless you want to download everything and then transcode to h264 so the GPU can actually play it back.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/EVGA-GeFor...ssive-Low-Profile-02G-P4-6232-KR/263793993428

Cheapest new GT1030 on ebay from a "major" vendor. $59.99, DDR4 version. Good for video, 4K desktop, not so good for gaming.

If you want to game (or watch 4K NetFlix), get the GTX 1050 3GB.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/EVGA-GeFor...KR-3GB-GDDR5-ACX-2-0-Single-Fan-/263957694144

 

[mnewsham]

If you want to game (or watch 4K NetFlix), get the GTX 1050 3GB.

Yeah I forgot about netflix 4k being picky. GTX 1050 is the minimum there.

 

[VirtualLarry]

The one I got from you wouldn't work or do it justice?

Well... asking a video card from maybe 5-8 years ago, that you got used for the price of shipping, to do 4K, especially video... might be a bit much. Jus' saying.

(Fermi arch wasn't really designed with 4K in mind, unlike Polaris and Pascal, which relish 4K, even on their lowest-end model.)

Edit: As the specs currently stand, Netflix 4K requires 3GB VRAM min. on NV cards.

 

[Muse]

Never had Netflix, don't know where I'm going. I should have fiber in a matter of weeks, so I guess I'll be in a different world. Right now I have a hell of a time watching 720p Youtube videos. It's frustrating. But when I get fiber, I don't know what will happen. I tried signing up for Sling video of some sports but discovered I didn't have the bandwidth, so I backed out of that deal.

Do I need something like that GeForce GTX 1050 3GB for 4k streaming from other services than Netflix?

 

[killster1]

when i tried to use sling it was so congested that streaming the ufc fight was not possible (dont think i was even @4k then.

for content well in the past i never thought purchasing dvd's was worth the $$ but after digital UHD+bluray for 10-14$ a new titles has turned me on to movies at home nothing was ever good enough before, so then after that you will want a better TV to show the full color / local dimming etc etc compared to bottom of barrel just plays 4k tv.

Whats better than a video card upgrade? nvidia shield 150? or a 8 core android 4gb ram box for 60-80$ on ebay. stream from network attached storage or from the box it self no problem. Tv might even run the apps you want by it self but i personally HATE every smart tv and every roku speed wise interface style limitations etc etc.. but if your not picky might be a good until new card.

 

[mnewsham]

Do I need something like that GeForce GTX 1050 3GB for 4k streaming from other services than Netflix?

4k is a slippery slope, if you think you may end up streaming 4k, i'd err on the side of caution and go with GTX 1050 3GB.

 

[mxnerd]

OK. Found the Netflix 4K streaming hardware requirement directly from nVIDIA doc.

GTX 1050 with minimum 3GB is a must

https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4583/~/4k-uhd-netflix-content-on-nvidia-gpus

 

[Muse]

4k is a slippery slope, if you think you may end up streaming 4k, i'd err on the side of caution and go with GTX 1050 3GB.

Thank you!! That's what I needed to know... I have one in my B&H cart, or I may go with the ebay one, and fill the CA coffers with the state tax for $2 more.

 

[Muse]

Well... asking a video card from maybe 5-8 years ago, that you got used for the price of shipping, to do 4K, especially video... might be a bit much. Jus' saying.

My current usage for that machine is HDTV, I've stopped doing anything else with it and TBH, that used PNY Fermi card you sent me for the price of postage was a god-send! It's been 2 months since I installed that card. I used to get lockups (requiring reset) right in the middle of my timeshift viewings, seemingly randomly, sometimes on a daily basis, other times less frequently but never as rarely as I'm getting now! I've only had one lockup since installing that used PNY card about Sept. 10. I hope I get the same with a new EVGA 1050 3GB card!!! If not, I may have to back-burner that and put the PNY back in until I move on to the next phase.