Bakery: No Rainbow cupcakes, homo!

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her209

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I chose my mate. So what? I chose from a selection of females. Males were not part of the equation for me. Thats exactly what being gay must be like except they are looking for the same sex.
Why is choosing your mate acceptable but choosing your orientation not acceptable -- assuming you (not you specifically) believe its a choice?
 

JSt0rm

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Why is choosing your mate acceptable but choosing your orientation not acceptable -- assuming you (not you specifically) believe its a choice?

I'm not really understanding your logic.

If a bisexual chose to be with a man or a women it would be fine and if a homosexual chose to be with someone of the same sex its fine and if a hetrosexual chose to be with someone of the opposite sex its fine and if a metrosexual chose to wear tight jeans it would be fine. If anyone of this group chose to be without a partner (or jeans) it would be fine.
 

Chaotic42

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Why is choosing your mate acceptable but choosing your orientation not acceptable -- assuming you (not you specifically) believe its a choice?

I'm confused here. If the bounds of your example are that sexual orientation is a choice, then I have no problem with someone choosing to be homosexual. I argue that it's not a choice, rendering your example unrelated to reality.
 

JSt0rm

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I'm confused here. If the bounds of your example are that sexual orientation is a choice, then I have no problem with someone choosing to be homosexual. I argue that it's not a choice, rendering your example unrelated to reality.

exactly.
 

spittledip

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I still don't get how people think that homosexuality is completely by choice. Did you choose to be straight? I didn't. I like women down at a level that I couldn't control if I tried. Why would gays be any different? Who would choose to be an outcast?

I don't think anyone believes that people choose to have attractions to the same sex. The belief is that a choice is made to pursue those attractions.
 

Chaotic42

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I don't think anyone believes that people choose to have attractions to the same sex. The belief is that a choice is made to pursue those attractions.

Well, sure. Why should they not? Why should they live miserable, lonely, sexually frustrated lives?
 

zsdersw

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Oct 29, 2003
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LOL
I bet you can excel at baking cupakes.

Anyone can make cupcakes from a boxed cake mix. Fewer can make good cupcakes from scratch. Baking is a much more precise task than cooking. Ingredients have to be precisely measured and combined in the right way to yield good results.
 

zsdersw

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Without a God, yes; that is the only logical conclusion.
Of course nobody will ever come out and say this.
Because they know there has to be a God. Deep down.
They just choose to deny it.

No. We're the only species on the planet that covers itself in clothing, the only species to admire its image in a mirror, and likely the only species to contemplate matters bigger than our own needs. These facts are functions of our intelligence (the degree of which being another aspect exclusive to us humans). Logically, there is no justification for the conclusion that a God is the only concept that can shape our behaviors and our definitions of what's right and wrong.

It is logical that a group of intelligent lifeforms, aware of their instincts for survival and social desires, can figure out and agree, without the concept of a creator God, to general guidelines of what's right and wrong; what's normal and abnormal, and that what's abnormal need not necessarily be wrong and that what's normal need not necessarily be right.

For all the "logic" liberals claim to posses, they are strikingly hateful and spiteful against those who choose to believe in a God. If there isn't a God, why do they care? Why do they care if some people do not want to serve homocakes to homogays? They have no moral high ground to stand on. There is no reason anyone should not be allowed to do what they want.

Why do some conservatives, who are supposedly so much more "logical" than their liberal counterparts, care if two adults of the same gender want their government, which is as much their government as anyone else's, to recognize their non-selfish choice to commit their lives to each other with the same rights, privileges, and responsibilities afforded to other adult couplings of opposite genders?
 
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zsdersw

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pathetic. Nobody cares that u go to church and believe in faeries. What we care is that YOU and YOUR kind are trying to inject YOUR particular form of magical belief into society. Go be ignorant on your own but don't try to shape the country into your little mindset.

Our tent is big enough to accomodate those with whom we disagree. Ideas in a free society should live and die on their merits, not on whether or not we want to hear them.
 

Linflas

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I'd like an answer from a non-homophobe to my question.

The reason I ask is because the assertion was made by several posters that a private business has the legal right to do business with whomever they wish. Craig then jumped in, assuming the correctness of that premise, and made the usual "just because you have the right to do it doesn't make it the right thing to do" remark. But I'm still hung up on the question of legal rights here. Many states preclude businesses from excluding people based on race, some on sexual preference as well. Is it different here if they say they will serve homosexuals but they won't sell them cookies to use in a gay advocacy event? What if you say you''ll serve black people but not if they are buying baked goods for an NAACP event?

- wolf

I assume what the bakery did here is no different than refusing to make cupcakes with Swastikas or images of burning crosses on them. They are not refusing to serve them cupcakes, just refusing to decorate them with a design they find offensive. Personally I think it is a dumb decision but as far as I'm concerned it is the business owner's decision to make.
 

bamacre

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Isn't picking your mate (whether straight/gay) a choice?

As Moonbeam once asked, "who chooses who he loves?"

Honestly, some of the comments in this thread are ridiculous. Being gay a choice? What decade are you living in?
 

werepossum

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Yes, because dry humping, pink skirts on men and acting like retarded rejected ballet dancers is really the way to show that they are just like everyone else.

Again, i don't give a fuck who you love or who you have sex with, but if you want to be treated equally you cannot demand special treatment at the same time.

AND again, why take pride in something you HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH?

Are you proud that you are straight? I'm not, i was born like this, i'm not proud of being white, English or Jewish either, i AM proud to be who i am because that is my accomplishment, i take pride in my children because i did a damn good job raising them, i take pride in my men because i've trained them.

See, those are accomplishments, things that i've done, THAT is something to be proud of. Being born straight, gay, Japanese white, American or what have you isn't something to be proud of.

I don't often agree with you, but those are absolutely spot-on observations for ALL of us.
 
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Only because laws allow you to adopt and add to the fuck up.

That's not how it works and anyone above the age of 10 knows that.

Homosexuality isn't a learned behaviour anymore than heterosexuality is a learned behaviour, if you don't agree with that then you are in fact saying that you could turn gay if you wanted to, always only love men and only be aroused by men alone.

I could not do that, if you can, you're in the closet.
 

JSt0rm

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That's not how it works and anyone above the age of 10 knows that.

Homosexuality isn't a learned behaviour anymore than heterosexuality is a learned behaviour, if you don't agree with that then you are in fact saying that you could turn gay if you wanted to, always only love men and only be aroused by men alone.

I could not do that, if you can, you're in the closet.

exactly. We need to change his name to tinkerbell2141 :D
 

woolfe9999

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Many animals will kill and eat their own young. Dogs will eat their own poop at times. They eat their prey while its still alive. So are we too look at those natural things as well as a guide for normal behavior because its natural?

The reason this analogy fails is because I was not arguing that homosexual behavior being natural makes it good or desirable. Rather, I was arguing against the position that homosexuality is BAD because it is purportedly UNnatural. All this means is that this particular argument against homosexuality is a poor one.

- wolf
 

onlyCOpunk

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Yes, because dry humping, pink skirts on men and acting like retarded rejected ballet dancers is really the way to show that they are just like everyone else.

Again, i don't give a fuck who you love or who you have sex with, but if you want to be treated equally you cannot demand special treatment at the same time.

AND again, why take pride in something you HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH?

Are you proud that you are straight? I'm not, i was born like this, i'm not proud of being white, English or Jewish either, i AM proud to be who i am because that is my accomplishment, i take pride in my children because i did a damn good job raising them, i take pride in my men because i've trained them.

See, those are accomplishments, things that i've done, THAT is something to be proud of. Being born straight, gay, Japanese white, American or what have you isn't something to be proud of.

Pride (any form of pride, gay straight white black) is not so much about the way that people are born, it's an expression of the MODERN idea that people are free to live the way they choose.

Sure the guy in the picture is dressed like a total queen, but it's not his everyday attire. Being flamboyant and over the top is all part of the gay culture. But at the same time there are many other subcultures within gay, the fairy man is one example. Just like there are many sub groups of every other group of people in the world.

Pride is a very hard thing to explain to someone who has never been a part of any sort of pride. 2 years ago the Pope came here along with millions of people for World Youth Day, a big religious pride event. I witnessed the same amount of proud nutjobs as I'd see during Gay Mardi Gras, just praising Jesus instead.

You have the "step-back" view towards homosexuality as many who are "ok with it as long as I don't see it."

While its true that a lot of people weren't around in 1964 and didn't partake in the initial revolution, being proud of who you are and celebrating your ability to live free is an invigorating feeling. Especially for people who grew up oppressed either from being called names to get bashed. It's a big Fuck You to those too ignorant to understand that people are different and what doesn't kill us makes us stronger. For as far as gays have come, there is still a long way to go, and Pride is one way of showing that we aren't going way, we are only growing.

It's quite ironic as a couple of weeks ago I was in NYC, and I went to visit the Statue of Liberty. She was extremely breathtaking and thinking about just exactly what her message is gave me hope. She is a symbol of light to the Old World showing the way to the New World, a world where "All men are created equal." Ironically what the United States was founded on yet ironically many true Americans often forget. Its more like all men are created equal as long as they live and believe what the majority does.
 
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Without a God, yes; that is the only logical conclusion.
Of course nobody will ever come out and say this.
Because they know there has to be a God. Deep down.
They just choose to deny it.

For all the "logic" liberals claim to posses, they are strikingly hateful and spiteful against those who choose to believe in a God. If there isn't a God, why do they care? Why do they care if some people do not want to serve homocakes to homogays? They have no moral high ground to stand on. There is no reason anyone should not be allowed to do what they want.
Fail

you have flawless logic and rhetorical skills.
 
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pathetic. Nobody cares that u go to church and believe in faeries. What we care is that YOU and YOUR kind are trying to inject YOUR particular form of magical belief into society. Go be ignorant on your own but don't try to shape the country into your little mindset.

Why do you care? Why should I care that you care? If there are more of us than there are of you, we have the right to, according to your belief system.