BAE systems , true IR cloaking technology for tanks now available.

[William Gaatjes]

I got this link to a video. It is quite interesting.

BAE systems has an adaptive IR cloaking technology for tanks developed.

This video shows the ADAPTIV, an adaptive thermal signature management developed by BAE Systems in Sweden. The video shows clips form a recent test, demonstrating how the 'invisibility cloak' on the CV90 light tank turns the vehicle invisible, by blend into its surroundings. Other parts of the video show how the same system can be used to display different images, including text, disguise as smaller or different vehicles. The system will debut next week at the DSEi 2011 exhibition in London, UK

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlLqdFsMnCE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OjpBUvbz78&NR=1

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14788009

Warning ! This website is a bit strange. It seems to redraws non stop.
http://defense-update.com/20110905_bae-adaptiv_camouflage.html

 

[werepossum]

Wow, that's uber cool, thanks! With this and the visual invisibility screens, and a Rafael Trophy or IMI Iron Fist active protective system, it appears that calls of obsolescence for heavy tanks were vastly premature.

 

[Lemon law]

Wow its the thing of cartoons, the roadrunner can suspend the laws of gravity but Wile E. Coyote drops like a stone. Beep Beep.

As of in close in combat, the soldiers with antitank weapons, won't hear, smell, or see the presence of a slow moving tank?

 

[Lithium381]

when are they going to make suits out of this?

 

[Rebel44]

very nice!

 

[Rebel44]

Wow its the thing of cartoons, the roadrunner can suspend the laws of gravity but Wile E. Coyote drops like a stone. Beep Beep.

As of in close in combat, the soldiers with antitank weapons, won't hear, smell, or see the presence of a slow moving tank?

Newsflash(for idiots): this is not designed against RPGs - its designed against against highend antitank missiles(or other antitank weapons) which are often guided against tanks heat signature.

This will likely be most effective during night combat, when almost all modern ATGMs rely on thermal signature of target for guidance.

 

[Craig234]

It's impressive technology. Too bad we don't put a fraction of the effort into peace.

Ultimately there's not a lot of justice for people with issues decided by violence.

Today the ultra powerful military is for 'attacking threats'.

Tomorrow the ultra powerful military is for 'attacking citizens protesting tyranny'.

We're not in a world with Hitler anymore where military might is always useful.

There's a time to say we're safer with the world developing and building less.

 

[werepossum]

Newsflash(for idiots): this is not designed against RPGs - its designed against against highend antitank missiles(or other antitank weapons) which are often guided against tanks heat signature.

This will likely be most effective during night combat, when almost all modern ATGMs rely on thermal signature of target for guidance.

Exactly. Even in daytime, many guided and self-guided weapons use the IR signature to lock on. A color/IR imager offers a pretty clear picture when visual spectra are diffused and distorted by haze and reflected heat.

It's impressive technology. Too bad we don't put a fraction of the effort into peace.

Ultimately there's not a lot of justice for people with issues decided by violence.

Today the ultra powerful military is for 'attacking threats'.

Tomorrow the ultra powerful military is for 'attacking citizens protesting tyranny'.

We're not in a world with Hitler anymore where military might is always useful.

There's a time to say we're safer with the world developing and building less.

Imagine it being used to sneak bus loads of illegal aliens across the border to American welfare offices.

There, all better!

 

[Doppel]

That is pretty awesome.

 

[bfdd]

Wow its the thing of cartoons, the roadrunner can suspend the laws of gravity but Wile E. Coyote drops like a stone. Beep Beep.

As of in close in combat, the soldiers with antitank weapons, won't hear, smell, or see the presence of a slow moving tank?

tanks slow moving?

 

[woolfe9999]

This technology disguises the tank's IR signature if I understand it correctly. What I don't understand is the videos depicting the tanks literally disappearing. What is that supposed to be about?

 

[Pray To Jesus]

IN B4 Better SENSORS

 

[Rebel44]

This technology disguises the tank's IR signature if I understand it correctly. What I don't understand is the videos depicting the tanks literally disappearing. What is that supposed to be about?

Thats because its filmed by IR camera.

 

[werepossum]

This technology disguises the tank's IR signature if I understand it correctly. What I don't understand is the videos depicting the tanks literally disappearing. What is that supposed to be about?

Thermal and to an extent IR cameras see temperature differences. If you can make your vehicle radiate the same temperature as the background, it effectively disappears. This is similar to visual spectra schemes which use cameras and display what the camera sees behind the object, but it works even better because the longer the wavelength, the less sharp the image and therefore the less the edges show up.

I'd be interested in knowing what they do with all that heat. Adding sufficient mass would be counterproductive, so I'm assuming they are using a highly non-conductive (to IR & thermal spectra radiation) material surface with forced air dispersion behind it. Otherwise your upper surface would show up even better. If I'm correct, then disappearing (to thermal and IR imagers) would be a matter of simply turning on the fans. Much the same technology is used in helicopters to defeat heat- and IR-seeking missiles and gun fire control systems by mixing the hot exhaust air with large quantities of relatively cool ambient air.

 

[Nebor]

Wow its the thing of cartoons, the roadrunner can suspend the laws of gravity but Wile E. Coyote drops like a stone. Beep Beep.

As of in close in combat, the soldiers with antitank weapons, won't hear, smell, or see the presence of a slow moving tank?

Enemy anti-tank weapons at this point have a difficult time taking out our light transport vehicles (M1151s, MATVs, MRAPs.)

The only weapons capable of disabling our tanks are top-attack missiles like the Javelin or Spike missiles. And our tanks already have systems that make it impossible for those systems to lock on and track them.

Honestly infantry is just not a huge concern to tanks, and it never has been. Anti-tank soldiers are some of the lowest survivability soldiers, expected to die within one minute of encountering their target.

I'd be interested to see how they plan on adapting this fancy IR tech to real armor, especially considering the layout\texture of the newest reactive armor packages employed on the M1 and T90.

 

[werepossum]

Enemy anti-tank weapons at this point have a difficult time taking out our light transport vehicles (M1151s, MATVs, MRAPs.)

The only weapons capable of disabling our tanks are top-attack missiles like the Javelin or Spike missiles. And our tanks already have systems that make it impossible for those systems to lock on and track them.

Honestly infantry is just not a huge concern to tanks, and it never has been. Anti-tank soldiers are some of the lowest survivability soldiers, expected to die within one minute of encountering their target.

I'd be interested to see how they plan on adapting this fancy IR tech to real armor, especially considering the layout\texture of the newest reactive armor packages employed on the M1 and T90.

I'm guessing this will be deployed on light to medium armor, which can be killed by many more things and would therefore benefit more from IR/thermal invisibility. As you say, tanks are already pretty well protected from missiles, especially if equipped with active defensive systems or laser blinders and IR jammers. The biggest risk to tanks today is probably a one kilo EFP mine. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the American army doctrine is to use tanks to draw the enemy armor into the fight by threatening something he must protect. Besides that, a speeding Abrams is going to throw out a huge cloud of dust, and I don't think that great mass of hot gas turbine exhaust is going to be concealable anyway.

 

[Nebor]

I'm guessing this will be deployed on light to medium armor, which can be killed by many more things and would therefore benefit more from IR/thermal invisibility. As you say, tanks are already pretty well protected from missiles, especially if equipped with active defensive systems or laser blinders and IR jammers. The biggest risk to tanks today is probably a one kilo EFP mine. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the American army doctrine is to use tanks to draw the enemy armor into the fight by threatening something he must protect. Besides that, a speeding Abrams is going to throw out a huge cloud of dust, and I don't think that great mass of hot gas turbine exhaust is going to be concealable anyway.

Yeah this would work better on something like a Stryker or Bradly now that you mention it. They have big flat sides and no jet engines.

 

[her209]

Let's get different angle of the tank.

 

[Engineer]

Call us back in a few years...we're currently broke for the foreseeable future.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Call us back in a few years...we're currently broke for the foreseeable future.

If i am not mistaken, i recall that BAE systems is already a major contractor for the US army. Through subsidaries or directly but nevertheless.

Is lockheed martin not owned by BAE systems for example ?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE_Systems_Inc.

If the wiki entry is correct, it is save to say that BAE is the Omni Consumer Products of the US defense.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Can you still remember that Donald Rumsfeld wanted a smaller electronic army ? IIRC he promoted services that are all provided by BAE.

I wonder if there are any special connections between Rumsfeld and BAE.

 

[Schadenfroh]

The only weapons capable of disabling our tanks are top-attack missiles like the Javelin or Spike missiles.

You can "disable" an M1 Abrams with a well placed / lucky shot to the treading system that could render it immobile, but then you will have the main gun spin around and blow the building you took your shot from to oblivion. Although, a well placed (ie the tank drives exactly where you want it to), powerful IED could have the same effect.

Anti-tank soldiers are some of the lowest survivability soldiers

The problem is tactics. Anti-tank infantry need to operate in "wolf packs" and set ambushes because tanks are rarely alone and you give away your position as soon as you fire. Even if you disable the tank, the other vehicles or infantry with it will know exactly where you fired from and all hell will come down on you.

Call us back in a few years...we're currently broke for the foreseeable future.

If the US government does not want to buy arms, then please let BAE inc and other arms companies sell export versions of their products to allies and friends of the Western world. Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and more would LOVE to buy export versions of Lockheed's F22. Some people here want to reduce our exporting of arms out of some kind of humanitarian vision of the world, but I'm sure Europe, China and Russia will be more than happy to fill any arms vacuum we might leave if we banned exports.

This is a wonderful opportunity for domestic US manufacturing. We can create tons of American jobs exporting gimped military equipment to countries that are stocking up. (Red) China is scaring the shit out of all of its neighbors right now, so they are stocking up. There is political instability abroad and no one knows what will happen as a result of The Arab Spring (I hope for the best, but I have a bad feeling about this). During times of turmoil, the arms industry shines and we can put countless Americans to work building ships, aircraft, land vehicles and munitions to help our friends and allies protect their interests. What is great about many of these defense jobs is that most of them require US citizenship.

Is lockheed martin not owned by BAE systems for example ?

No, Lockheed Martin is the world's largest arms company overall. BAE Systems, despite having a larger land presence than Lockheed, is the 2nd largest arms company in the world.

BAE Systems plc and BAE Systems inc are separate entities, despite the inc being a subsidiary of the plc. Since BAE Systems plc is an English company, they set up a subsidiary in the states called BAE Systems inc that has all American management and mostly all American staff. They proceeded to purchase many university spin-offs (major raw talent pools), start-ups and established defense companies to drive their growth. Technology rarely flows between BAE Systems plc and BAE Systems inc. This allows them to compete for US government contracts that have export control requirements and places them on equal footing with "all American" contractors like Northrup, SAIC, Boeing, Lockheed, etc.

Imagine it being used to sneak bus loads of illegal aliens across the border to American welfare offices.

There, all better!

LOL

 

[Engineer]

If i am not mistaken, i recall that BAE systems is already a major contractor for the US army. Through subsidaries or directly but nevertheless.

Is lockheed martin not owned by BAE systems for example ?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE_Systems_Inc.

If the wiki entry is correct, it is save to say that BAE is the Omni Consumer Products of the US defense.

So? We cannot afford it? We are running 1,500,000,000,000 deficits per year. Time to cut the shit including this stuff. Get our house in order and then look as to whether we "need" this stuff or not.

 

[Engineer]

If the US government does not want to buy it, then please let BAE inc and other arms companies sell export versions of their products to allies and friends of the Western world. Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and more would LOVE to buy export versions of Lockheed's F22. Some people here want to reduce our exporting of arms out of some kind of humanitarian vision of the world, but I'm sure Europe, China and Russia will be more than happy to fill any arms vacuum we might leave if we banned exports.

This is a wonderful opportunity for domestic US manufacturing. We can create tons of American jobs exporting gimped military equipment to countries that are stocking up. (Red) China is scaring the shit out of all of its neighbors right now, so they are stocking up. There is political instability abroad and no one knows what will happen as a result of The Arab Spring (I hope for the best, but I have a bad feeling about this). During times of turmoil, the arms industry shines and we can put countless Americans to work building aircraft, land vehicles and munitions to help our friends and allies protect their interests. What is great about many of these defense jobs is that most of them require US citizenship.

I have no problem with that.

 

[alphatarget1]

Exactly. Even in daytime, many guided and self-guided weapons use the IR signature to lock on. A color/IR imager offers a pretty clear picture when visual spectra are diffused and distorted by haze and reflected heat.


Imagine it being used to sneak bus loads of illegal aliens across the border to American welfare offices.

There, all better!

Bahahahaha