Bad heatware eval because of a bad heatware eval?

[Triumph]

Is it OK to post a heatware eval in response to how someone eval'ed you? I'm not planning on doing this, but I feel it was done to me. I gave someone a negative, because I was unhappy with how the trade had gone (I did get my stuff, albeit a whole week after he said he would ship). In response, he gives me a neutral eval. Not because of how the trade went, but because he was unhappy with my evaluation. I think there is a distinction there. Opinions?

 

[Anubis]

whats done is done. if you go give him a neg eval hes just gonna do it back. the fact that he gave you a neutral shows that he understands that he Fed up teh trade. just be glad he didnt give you a neg

 

[CChaos]

Did he not communicate with you while it was taking awhile to ship? Can you provide more details about the trade and perhaps post the evals in question so that we can be self-righteous pricks and condemn one of you?

 

[MrBond]

I dunno, a negative because it took a week for the stuff to get to you? That's not unheard of, especially with the USPS. I don't think a negative was called for, unless he jerked you around or sent you bad merchandise or something.

Shipping times vary and people get swamped with stuff to do. As long as I get the package, I usually just attribute it to slow courier service.

Edit: yeah, and we don't know the whole story either.

 

[Actaeon]

Originally posted by: TheEvil1
whats done is done. if you go give him a neg eval hes just gonna do it back. the fact that he gave you a neutral shows that he understands that he Fed up teh trade. just be glad he didnt give you a neg

Eh, I don't agree with you here.

The heatware should be evaluated on the trade only. Not because of the other evaluation. He knew he screwed up, so why does Triumph deserve a Neutral if Triumph did what a good trader should do? I disagree with the neutral rating.

EDIT: yeah, I don't know the whole story, things may have gone differently than told. I have no comment on the negative rating, I still disagree with the Neutral rating.

 

[Triumph]

MrBond, the shipping date on the package was a whole week after he said he would ship. It took only 2 days to get to me. But that is besides the point of this thread...

If you were astute, it'd be pretty easy to find out all the details and who the trade was with, but that's not really what I'm asking. My problem is basically posting an eval based on an eval, and not on the trade itself.

 

[tarheelmm]

Leave well enough alone. Well, bad enough alone. When people have open access to such a device they will freely treat it with disrespect.

 

[murphy55d]

Hell no. The heatware eval is supposed to be on how good of a deal it was. If Triumph paid quickly, I don't really see how anything less than a + eval should be acceptable.

Triumph, PM heat23 and see if there's anything that can be done.

 

[Shaftatplanetquake]

Heatware is in place to evaluate how trades have gone. If you did everything you were supposed to do, and the other trader is the one who screwed up, then you need to email heat23.

What you are talking about is a retalitory heatware, and it is not allowed.

Heat23 will remove the neutral that the trader in question issued you if in fact your claim is legitimate.

 

[Shaftatplanetquake]

I read the heatware evals.

It would appear that you are in the right Triumph.

Email heat@elitehardware.com and let him know what has happened. He should either fix the neutral or delete it outright.

 

[spaceman]

slow shipping=negative heat?

u recieved your merchandise.
personally, i wouldnt give a neg just due to delayed shipping.
maybe there is more to it?

If you are satisfied with what you got,albeit delayed, the worst case scenario is a neutral eval.IMO.

 

[GermyBoy]

Take care of it properly. This sounds like a real jerk.

 

[Triumph]

Ok, so the consensus is that retaliatory evals are not allowed. That was really my question. I'd ask that the rest of you not judge the trader, because I haven't provided all of the information. That wasn't the point of the thread. If you want to read the evals, and then judge, well OK, but admittedly he isn't here to provide for his own defense.

 

[Hossenfeffer]

Yeah, personally, I'd say your eval for the trader should have been a neutral eval, but c'est la vie. I'm sure his neutral to you will be removed.

 

[dabuddha]

Negative Triumph Bought item 01-18-2003 [CLOSE]
Forum: AnandTech BBS
Description:
Bought Celeron, hs/f, and slocket.
Comments:
Communication was good up until it came time to ship. My bank was slow on delivering him a check through online banking, which I made clear to him. He recieved my check on the 24th of December. On the 25th of December he PM'ed me, saying that he would ship the goods out the next day.

I wait patiently until the 2nd of January, and the goods still had not arrived. I PM'ed him again that day, asking him if he had shipped them. I got no response, however 2 days later on Saturday the 4th, I recieved my package. Shipping date was listed as January 2nd, so I guess I had reminded him with my PM.

I then emailed Manuel and asked him to explain why he was an entire week late in shipping the items. He couldn't give me any reasonable explanation, didn't give any explanation at all, actually. I didn't expect this kind of trade from someone with ~60 Heatware evals. It was the holidays, yes, but I think an entire week is unreasonable. Especially if you say you are going to do something, you DO IT, holidays

That did not warrant a negative eval. It does warrant a neutral eval with a warning about his communication skills. I know you're angry bout him shipping late but he did have good evals which somewhat shows he won't rip you off. You don't deserve your neutral however. Did you make it clear that your bank takes time delivering a check before you both agreed to the transaction?

 

[Triumph]

Not sure if I'd be willing to switch it to a neutral eval. His actions were unacceptable, and I wasn't happy. I'd have to think about it...

I did make it clear to him about the bank: I told him that this was the first time I was sending an electronic check to an individual through online banking, and I didn't know how long it would take, but that the bank states a lead time of 5 days. I have it all in the emails.

 

[codeyf]

I agree the neutral/retaliatory is un-called for. The negative is pretty iffy tho. I'd have done a neutral, but that's just me.

 

[kami]

It was the holidays. Personally I would've given the dude a break.

 

[Garet Jax]

Triumph,

I think you were too harsh. He may have sent it a week after he said, but he came through on the rest of the sale (assuming the item was in good condition and was shipped well). I know it is frustrating to have no contact from someone who has your money (experiencing that right now), but it is not worth a negative (maybe a neutral).

By the sounds of it, you trade the same way I do (go out of your way to meet the expectations you have set), but not everyone is like us. A negative feedback in this case sends the wrong message to other buyers.

 

[Yo Ma Ma]

Originally posted by: codeyf
I agree the neutral/retaliatory is un-called for. The negative is pretty iffy tho. I'd have done a neutral, but that's just me.

Agree w/codeyf ^^.

 

[Shaftatplanetquake]

Originally posted by: Yo_Ma-Ma

Originally posted by: codeyf
I agree the neutral/retaliatory is un-called for. The negative is pretty iffy tho. I'd have done a neutral, but that's just me.

Agree w/codeyf ^^.

I absolutely disagree. It is completely and totally unacceptable for someone to fvck around with shipping. If someone tells me they are going to ship, then they better fvcking ship.

If they don't ship, then give me a pm within a day and I will be totally forgiving. However, the text of that pm had better be include something along the lines of I'm going to ship on xx date, sorry I couldn't get it out when I said I was going to.

I believe the people around anandtech are so used to seeing troll threads that they no longer realize that negative heatware does not necessarily=absolute disaster.

I carry a high standard of ethics with all of my trades, and I am happy to see that Triumph is from my side of the fence.

 

[spaceman]

Originally posted by: Shaftatplanetquake

Originally posted by: Yo_Ma-Ma

Originally posted by: codeyf
I agree the neutral/retaliatory is un-called for. The negative is pretty iffy tho. I'd have done a neutral, but that's just me.

Agree w/codeyf ^^.

I absolutely disagree. It is completely and totally unacceptable for someone to fvck around with shipping. If someone tells me they are going to ship, then they better fvcking ship.

If they don't ship, then give me a pm within a day and I will be totally forgiving. However, the text of that pm had better be include something along the lines of I'm going to ship on xx date, sorry I couldn't get it out when I said I was going to.

I believe the people around anandtech are so used to seeing troll threads that they no longer realize that negative heatware does not necessarily=absolute disaster.

I carry a high standard of ethics with all of my trades, and I am happy to see that Triumph is from my side of the fence.

ahh shaft bringing the mellodrama:S

people should take very serious consideration before leaving a negative eval.out of the hundreds of deals ive been involved in,i left a grand total of 1 negative hw eval.Even one is very very damaging...and certainly would make me apprehensive about dealing with the person, no matter the amount of positives.
Things happen in life.
Unless you stated an emergency, or need asap i would have to say the negative should be turned to neutral.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: kami
It was the holidays. Personally I would've given the dude a break.

me too but then I let peeps know when I was trading heavily when my last shipping day was during xmas week ,however retalitory heat isn't cool either, get in touch with heat23 on this

 

[Shaftatplanetquake]

Originally posted by: ncircle
ahh shaft bringing the mellodrama:S

people should take very serious consideration before leaving a negative eval.out of the hundreds of deals ive been involved in,i left a grand total of 1 negative hw eval.Even one is very very damaging...and certainly would make me apprehensive about dealing with the person, no matter the amount of positives.
Things happen in life.
Unless you stated an emergency, or need asap i would have to say the negative should be turned to neutral.

In the 60+ heatware evals I've left I've also only posted one negative and no neutrals. And that was a troll who tried to screw me. I got the best of him because I became very pushy with him over the phone.

I agree very serious consideration is needed for a negative to be left. And it is very damaging.

I believe that heatware was built around the opinions of the traders involved in the transaction. If Triumph believes that a guy dicking him around on the shipping is good enough, then I see no reason for it to be changed. Triumph has provided a full text explanation for why he feels a certain way, and it is up to the individual who is considering to make a trade with Manuel to decide whether that is enough to disuade them. That being said, I would like to reiterate that I completely agree with Triumph's use of the negative.

I am not sure if I would trade with Manuel- just because I would not know when to expect to get my damn item.

 

[psteng19]

To be honest, I would've probably not left anything for him, and at worst, a neutral.
Heck, I might have even given him a positive, if it arrived non-DOA, and if he was very communicative and informed me early about the delay.

Don't worry, you only have 1 evaluation anyway.
Just start a new account

Him on the otherhand... the negative in bold red stands out big time