abit is switching a big part of its production to ecs. I have always loved abit board and had luck with everyone ive had but this might change my opinion of them:
Abit Switches
Abit Switches
bad bad and i do mean bad news for abit
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It's not going to affect the boards Anandtechers would buy - only the trashy entry level ones. Abit, like everyone else, manufactures lots of el-cheapo boards for OEMs and whiteboxers, that you or I would turn our noses up at, wouldn't even accept as a gift.
And, let's be realistic: after their well-publicized issues with exploding capacitators, no one's fooled into thinking their manufacturing processes are really all that great. Board design is always where they've shined.
-Erwos
And, let's be realistic: after their well-publicized issues with exploding capacitators, no one's fooled into thinking their manufacturing processes are really all that great. Board design is always where they've shined.
-Erwos
Yeah I am pretty sure I had heard ECS manufactuered a lot of Abit's boards already.
Among other brands.
Ive had good luck with both Abit and ECS products so it doesnt really bother me.
Among other brands.
Ive had good luck with both Abit and ECS products so it doesnt really bother me.
i just have experience with ecs back in the kr75sa times. The first board i got of this type was great and solid as a rock. The other board was flakey as hell even with same bios revisions. Once i even swaped the motherboards and left everything else in the system. With the flakey system it would crash every day...with the other one it would never crash.
ncage
ncage
Abit has been on a downward spiral since their apex in the P4 Northwood days (along with the solid NF7-S series for the Athlon XP). They used to be my favourite motherboard manufacturing company, but lately, it's been all news like this...
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A lot of manufactors have ECS make some of their boards. People dont understand that ECS is the biggest motherboard maker.
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In my experience, ECS can be very hit-and-miss. I had an ECS-branded Socket 370 board that ran with a Celeron processor in a home server for years, while I have always had the crappiest experience ever with PCChips components (supposedly of the same lineage as ECS).
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ECS just makes boards for PC Chips. Likewise with Jetway. Then they have partial contracts with a bunch of others like Abit. And of course they have their own boards as well.
Not true Asus is the Biggest Mobo manufacturer in fact up untill recently they manufactured the Most of Intel Boards (Intel Branded), Intels New deal I think puts Foxconn on top But Asus still makes like 40% of their boards.
Besides the Capacitor issues aside most motherboard problems are design or implementation issues. These things are almost entirely taken care of by the Manifacturer your purchasing them from so for the most part the actual builder of the board made little to no difference. In fact ofr these enthuisiest boards it makes no sense to have a dedicated manufactureing facility for producing them because things can change fast there. Abit lived a long Life (longer then one would think) living off of being the number one no questions asked overclocking boards, Infact some times it seemed their boards wouldn't run correctly at stock levels and needed to be overclocked. They never managed to make a dent in the OEM market and those were harder on them then anyone else because their bread and butter boards didn't work well for OEM and the need to have completely redesigned boards for them.
ECS is the third or Fourth biggest Manufacturer next Asus and Foxconn for good reason they were one of the last to move away from the Tiwainese (horrible spelling) Capasitors and had one of the worst Quality controls out their. I would normally recommend not to purchase from a manufacturer that uses them, but those times are gone and shouldn't be a issue.
Yeah I just wasn't sure which MSI or ECS was higher since they both are mid teens in terms of year motherboard sales percentages.
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Now i just saw the report the other month that it was ECS, Foxconn as 1 and 2. I could be wrong of course but ill see if i can dig it up.
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Well all i can find is the report from last year where it was Asus then ECS. Either way my main point was that ECS isnt some crappy little company.
No there name boards are crap (or were crap) because they didn't or still haven't had a good designer in years. But they use the same stuff as everyone else so if a good design is given to them from comapny A (this case being Abit) then those motherboards will be good. It won't actually matter who actually was the builder just the designer.
Hmmmm wierd I could have sworn Foxconn was close enough to challange ASUS but apparently I was wrong. Asus according to a digitime report owns just about 50% of the market with ECS, Gigabyte, and MSI fighting for the rest with Gigabyte and MSI almost equal and ECS beating them both by just a over a handful.
Hmmmm wierd I could have sworn Foxconn was close enough to challange ASUS but apparently I was wrong. Asus according to a digitime report owns just about 50% of the market with ECS, Gigabyte, and MSI fighting for the rest with Gigabyte and MSI almost equal and ECS beating them both by just a over a handful.
Yeah If you include all of the parts of a motherboard like the slots and sockets and jumpers alone Foxconn makes a Pretty penny. In fact I almost think they have a monopoly on those parts. Not a single motherboard would get made if it wasn't for Foxconn.
I have to disagree with this. I have never had a Abit board that was NOT flakey. Their latest boards are not disproving this experience I have had. Have you read the HardOCP article on the AN8-Ultra?
So who cares if they use Japanese caps and four phase power. None of that makes a darn bit of difference if the board design is not up to par. Stability is a mixture of MANY things, not just 100% Japanese caps.
I think I was more trying to say "their manufacturing has always sucked" rather than "their design has always been great". When they tend to produce a big winner (BH6, KA7-100, KT7, etc.), it's because the board design has carried them through - not that every board they've designed has been great.
That said, HardOCP's review of the AX8 gives Abit high marks for their board design yet again - it's just the BIOS and manufacturing that end up killing them.
What I'd really like to see is a manufacturer actually try to cater exclusively to the very high-end for once - it seems like it's only once in a great while these days when they try something really new and ground-breaking - where's my all PCI-E board with 1394b, dual gigabit LAN, and 8 SATA2 ports?
-Erwos
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