Background checks for online gun orders! What's next!

frowertr

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Online purchases already DO require background checks. If I purchase a firearm "online" from one FFL (gun store) it must be sent to a local FFL in my area. When I go to my FFL to pick it up, I must fill out a ATF form 4473. When that form is completed my local FFL then contacts NICS to facilitate the background check.

So online purchases act just like local purchases except for the FFL firearm transfer between dealers.
 

Triumph

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I'm so surprised that nobody in the media has even mentioned this (I only listen to the radio to and from work).

But you know what, I'm fine with this. Give the Democrats something they don't know they already have, and appease them a little bit. I say it's win-win. :D
 

Ryan

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I'm so surprised that nobody in the media has even mentioned this (I only listen to the radio to and from work).

But you know what, I'm fine with this. Give the Democrats something they don't know they already have, and appease them a little bit. I say it's win-win. :D


MSNBC has been talking about it - it was all over Morning Joe today.....
 

HumblePie

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That's why I was laughing so hard when I read that. These people are so ignorant of what is already out there. And these people think for some reason they are smart enough to pass laws regarding this issue?
 

KB

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Dems can also have their clip limits too. I don't know of any ammo clip larger than 10 so keeping clips at 10 is fine by me. This is why you shouldn't propose gun legislation unless you understand guns.
 

Texashiker

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I order a lower receiver from south carolina, I live in Texas, what right does the sheriff in south carolina have to run a background check on me?

What laws are applicable to the sale, Texas or south carolina?
 

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I order a lower receiver from south carolina, I live in Texas, what right does the sheriff in south carolina have to run a background check on me?

What laws are applicable to the sale, Texas or south carolina?

Texas. You aren't allowed to ship it directly to your house, you have to ship it to a TX authorized dealer where he will run a TX background check.

This has been a law since 1968 when they did away with mail order guns (how Lee Harvey Oswald got the rifle he used to kill Kennedy).
 

Texashiker

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Texas. You aren't allowed to ship it directly to your house, you have to ship it to a TX authorized dealer where he will run a TX background check.

This has been a law since 1968 when they did away with mail order guns (how Lee Harvey Oswald got the rifle he used to kill Kennedy).

I know that.

Part of this law is background checks for online gun sales. We already have background checks at the point of sale. If the law makers are going to add yet "another" background check, where is it going to be at?

Will I have to go through a background check "before" a part is shipped to my local FFL?

I ordered an AR15 lower from south carolina a few weeks ago. That is why I used the SC example. The lower was shipped to an FFL who did the background check.
 

Genx87

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That's why I was laughing so hard when I read that. These people are so ignorant of what is already out there. And these people think for some reason they are smart enough to pass laws regarding this issue?

Why does their ignorance surprise you? They have been displaying it daily since Sandy Hook. Just place this on top of the shitpile of stuff they dont know wtf they are talking about.
 

monovillage

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Why does their ignorance surprise you? They have been displaying it daily since Sandy Hook. Just place this on top of the shitpile of stuff they dont know wtf they are talking about.

It's not just ignorance, it's that they also deliberately lie and misinform after they know what the facts are. Just look at the anti-gun liars in this forum that even after multiple postings that show them the facts continue to lie about the laws.
 

desura

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I would think that Joe Manchin knows quite a bit about guns.

And if you were paying attention, the bill actually expands several gun rights, which I disagree with.

Furthermore, there are significant exemptions. Like, you can sell to someone you know personally without a background check, at work, at church, which I feel is a huge loophole.
 

Texashiker

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Furthermore, there are significant exemptions. Like, you can sell to someone you know personally without a background check, at work, at church, which I feel is a huge loophole.

Do you think gang bangers and drug dealers care about loopholes?
 

desura

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Do you think gang bangers and drug dealers care about loopholes?

Criminals tend to know the law better than most people, and know how they can evade it.

So yes, gang bangers and drug dealers care very much about loopholes, because there is a good chance they will come into contact with the law while I will not.
 

Texashiker

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Criminals tend to know the law better than most people, and know how they can evade it.

So yes, gang bangers and drug dealers care very much about loopholes, because there is a good chance they will come into contact with the law while I will not.

In other words, do you really think drug dealers and gang bangers care about background checks?

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How are those background checks supposed to stop people like Adam Lanza, who killed his mother, stole her guns, then went on a shooting spree.

How are background checks supposed to stop gang wars? How are background checks supposed to stop drug related violence?

How is a background check going to affect someone who has no regard for the law?
 
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monovillage

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I would think that Joe Manchin knows quite a bit about guns.

And if you were paying attention, the bill actually expands several gun rights, which I disagree with.

Furthermore, there are significant exemptions. Like, you can sell to someone you know personally without a background check, at work, at church, which I feel is a huge loophole.

Liar. You can't do that in my state.
 

Oldgamer

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I would think that Joe Manchin knows quite a bit about guns.

And if you were paying attention, the bill actually expands several gun rights, which I disagree with.

Furthermore, there are significant exemptions. Like, you can sell to someone you know personally without a background check, at work, at church, which I feel is a huge loophole.

Didn't they say in one of the proposals that there was an exemption for family, friends and hunters. Which confuses me, because anyone can say they are friends with whomever tney are selling, transferring too. In addition, wil the family member be required to show documented proof that they are in fact family? How does that stop a severely mentally ill family member like Adam Lanza from getting a gun from a family member with no required background check. It just seems like they aren't thinking these things throufh well enough.
 

Kadarin

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It just seems like they aren't thinking these things throufh well enough.

On one hand they're politicians, so "thinking things through well enough" isn't something they're really all that good at. On the other, ask yourself whether the long game is really "to protect the children", or whether it's something deeper.
 

desura

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Didn't they say in one of the proposals that there was an exemption for family, friends and hunters. Which confuses me, because anyone can say they are friends with whomever tney are selling, transferring too. In addition, wil the family member be required to show documented proof that they are in fact family? How does that stop a severely mentally ill family member like Adam Lanza from getting a gun from a family member with no required background check. It just seems like they aren't thinking these things throufh well enough.

Thing is, a background check in those circumstances isn't a big burden at all, and is completely warranted.

Of course, no one here actually bothered to read the bill before going on about the 2nd amendment, etc. Typical.
 

Texashiker

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Didn't they say in one of the proposals that there was an exemption for family, friends and hunters. Which confuses me, because anyone can say they are friends with whomever tney are selling, transferring too. In addition, wil the family member be required to show documented proof that they are in fact family? How does that stop a severely mentally ill family member like Adam Lanza from getting a gun from a family member with no required background check. It just seems like they aren't thinking these things throufh well enough.

The senators from liberal state are posing, they are acting like they are passing a law that will curb gun violence just to keep voting gun hating liberals happy.
 

Oldgamer

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On one hand they're politicians, so "thinking things through well enough" isn't something they're really all that good at. On the other, ask yourself whether the long game is really "to protect the children", or whether it's something deeper.

I understand what you are saying, there are legitimate pro's and con's on both sides to this issue. I tend to lean on the cautionary side. So I think implementing a strict background check, and keeping a state to state database to background checking for the serious mentally ill who have been involuntary committed to a phcych hospital is necessary. I also think if you have a family member like Adam Lanza's mom who is known to suffer from a serious mental health issue that the family should not be allowed by law to give access to their guns, to that family member, and must take appropriate steps to ensure they can't get to them. If someone dies because they did not, then they get jail time and lose the right to own fire arms.

There are solutions but I think the republican base and the NRA have done a good job of scaring people particularly gun owners and misinforming folks on what is trying to be done. They aren't taking peoples fire arms away they already said that.

Now if the states want to do a state to state ban on certain assault rifles, well then that is a state thing. But as far as the federal government, I am definitely in favor of a strong back ground check for these things which can be tapped into a national database and easily accessed by law enforcement and gun sellers.

Anyway, I know so many here disagree but if you think about it, most of the whacked mass murderers by gun shootings have been mostly middle class white males who had a severe mental illness.

At least we can try to keep guns out of their hands. There really isn't much more that we can do really. But we can't just not do anything, simply because its a worthless effort. We must try to do something, reasonably.
 

desura

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The senators from liberal state are posing, they are acting like they are passing a law that will curb gun violence just to keep voting gun hating liberals happy.

You're spouting off without having bothered to learn any facts.
 

Texashiker

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You're spouting off without having bothered to learn any facts.

I know the facts.

This new gun law is barely going to pass the senate by maybe 1 vote.

Once it hits the house, its going to be pretty much dead.

Instead of addressing the real causes of gun violence - broken justice system, repeat offenders, overcrowding in prisons, backlogged courts, illegal drugs, gang warfare, poverty,,, - lets just pass a background check that only affects law abiding people.