Bachman Claims HPV Vaccine causes mental retardation!

[WelshBloke]

goddamn you americans have to put up with some wackjobs in politics..


sorry Bachman, you were retarded before you got the vaccination, you can't blame that on science.

I love election time in America:wub:

It was quite entertaining here with the polititions expenses scandal but for the most part we cant compete.

 

[waggy]

Bachmann or however you spell her name is a fucking lunatic. i really really hope she is not a choice. anymore its who to vote against not vote for.


are vaccinations 100% safe? heck no. but far better then not giving the k kids anything. I will say i do not like how the HPV one was rushed and forced (well attempted to be) on kids.

 

[Craig234]

I love election time in America:wub:

It was quite entertaining here with the polititions expenses scandal but for the most part we cant compete.

Sure you can, you just make it a fringe festival instead of an election.

That's Jon Hunstman on the bike, and Michelle Bachmann's husband chasing him.

 

[Craig234]

By just about any measure the Democrat have not fielded a real liberal in many decades. Obama is a moderate, he is more right than Bush in some areas.

The real question is why are Republicans so anti-reality, anti-science and anti-education? Do they really want the country led purely by personality and no brains? Bunch of stiff white pretty guys and easy on the eyes no-nothing women. Give me an ugly, smart woman or short fat smart guy, it is all style and no substance on the right.

The last Democrat liberal who won was JFK, who was a centrist-liberal, and before that FDR, who was a man from the wealthy class who happened to be President during an extraordinary period of the country turning toward socialism, which he wanted to prevent, and a major crash. Carter was more a moderate too.

Clinton's main liberal claim was a tiny tax increase on the top 2% - when he wasn't deregulating Wall Street, slashing Welfare and other social programs, etc.

As far as candidates, Kerry was a moderate Democrat, as was Gore (saving the planet isn't 'left', the fact the right opposes it is just that they're ignorant sellouts). Gore's VP nominee was Joe Liebermann of all people who promptly endorsed the Republican the following election (that's happened with the Republicans when?)

George McGovern, who lost 60 of 50 states, was more a 'liberal'. LBJ was a liberal domestically (equal rights, how radical leftist), but a cold warrior.

The Democratic Party just isn't that liberal with its presidents, despite the Republican calling every nominee for several elections 'The most left-wing member of Congress!'

 

[Craig234]

In hindsight, I'm still wondering how Bachmann ever got anywhere near winning the Iowa straw poll. Because I wasn't there, I can't imagine how normal thinking folks would put her at the top of their wish list en masse like the Iowa voters did. Just say'in.

One way is nothing more than 'affilitation'. They're the disaffected 'tea party', and she said she was a tea party lover, so they embraced her, that simple.

It's a little like George Bush's putting scripture and dog whistle religious phrases in his speeches and winking to the religious right. Affinity, they love him. He uses them.

 

[OutHouse]

Again I am forced to wonder why our only choices come election day are between either a fiscal conservative religious nut job or a social liberal who can't balance a checkbook?

im with you on that one.

 

[Craig234]

im with you on that one.

What's up with the 'social liberal who can't balance a checkbook' nonsense?

That propaganda has fooled way too many people.

What part of being in 'the biggest crash since the Great Depression' and temporarily needing stimulus for recovery do people not get?

In the history of the country before this crash, when are Dems the party of big debt?

 

[Theb]

LOL. There's $11,000 riding on her proving her anecdote is accurate.
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/129907463.html

 

[Kadarin]

LOL. There's $11,000 riding on her proving her anecdote is accurate.
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/129907463.html

There's no way in hell I'd want her to be President (or in charge of anything), but I certainly wouldn't mind having sex with her. She looks like she'd be a freak in a MILFy sort of way.

 

[Lanyap]

I'm awaiting the firestorm on the right against Bachman's stupid statements.

*crickets*

Here is your firestorm. Even the folks at freerepublic are upset. Really.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2777639/posts

 

[mcmilljb]

There's no way in hell I'd want her to be President (or in charge of anything), but I certainly wouldn't mind having sex with her. She looks like she'd be a freak in a MILFy sort of way.

The look comes from those crazy eyes! Also make sure you get the HPV vaccine first so she doesn't get you infected.

 

[Craig234]

Here is your firestorm. Even the folks at freerepublic are upset. Really.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2777639/posts

Not all of them though. Some are calling the vaccine with an opt-out "tyranny", and saying that it 'puts the parents on a list that child protective services can abuse'.

 

[NeoV]

the fact that she and Sarah Palin are even in the discussion for our next president is a sad commentary on the state of politics in the USA, and women everywhere should be offended

 

[Lanyap]

Not all of them though. Some are calling the vaccine with an opt-out "tyranny", and saying that it 'puts the parents on a list that child protective services can abuse'.

Yes, that's true. There were a few nutters in there but I bet you were surprised at the number of freepers who disagreed with her.

 

[feralkid]

There's no way in hell I'd want her to be President (or in charge of anything), but I certainly wouldn't mind having sex with her. She looks like she'd be a freak in a MILFy sort of way.

Knock yourself out.

 

[Craig234]

Yes, that's true. There were a few nutters in there but I bet you were surprised at the number of freepers who disagreed with her.

Actually, you're right that they are normally a heavily nutty group from back when I'd glance at them, and this thread had more sensible objection than expected.

Not everyone knows that it's a site that censors left-wing views, bans posters who express them.

 

[mattpegher]

All this vaccination fear, irritates me. Statisically speaking you are 100 times more likely to have serious health consequences (death, cp, retardation, etc) from not getting vaccinated than from getting vaccinated.
These are always anectodal arguments devoid of true statistics.
Listen folks, if you choose not to vaccinate your children, then you sincerely thank those that do, because without thier immunity your child would die.

This is why we recommend the flu vaccine. Not because the flu kills that many people, but during flu season, other infections rise due to the altered immunity of the herd. I don't get the flu vaccine because I am afraid of getting the flu. I do it because if I get the flu and give it or some other bacteria I pick up while my immune system is comprimised to my family and friends, they may then go on to pneumonia or other bacterial illnesses which may be deadly.

 

[DCal430]

All this vaccination fear, irritates me. Statisically speaking you are 100 times more likely to have serious health consequences (death, cp, retardation, etc) from not getting vaccinated than from getting vaccinated.
These are always anectodal arguments devoid of true statistics.
Listen folks, if you choose not to vaccinate your children, then you sincerely thank those that do, because without thier immunity your child would die.

This is why we recommend the flu vaccine. Not because the flu kills that many people, but during flu season, other infections rise due to the altered immunity of the herd. I don't get the flu vaccine because I am afraid of getting the flu. I do it because if I get the flu and give it or some other bacteria I pick up while my immune system is comprimised to my family and friends, they may then go on to pneumonia or other bacterial illnesses which may be deadly.

The flu kills around 40,000 people a year by it self, not through any secondary infection. For people with weaken immune systems the influenza virus can invade their lungs and cause pneumonia.

World wide around 250 to 500K people will die directly from the flu virus. It kills lots of people.

 

[werepossum]

All this vaccination fear, irritates me. Statisically speaking you are 100 times more likely to have serious health consequences (death, cp, retardation, etc) from not getting vaccinated than from getting vaccinated.
These are always anectodal arguments devoid of true statistics.
Listen folks, if you choose not to vaccinate your children, then you sincerely thank those that do, because without thier immunity your child would die.

This is why we recommend the flu vaccine. Not because the flu kills that many people, but during flu season, other infections rise due to the altered immunity of the herd. I don't get the flu vaccine because I am afraid of getting the flu. I do it because if I get the flu and give it or some other bacteria I pick up while my immune system is comprimised to my family and friends, they may then go on to pneumonia or other bacterial illnesses which may be deadly.

Lot of truth in this. The flu vaccine is a poor example, because it's a crap shoot; they can't really predict which strain of flu will sweep the country in a given year because they have to begin culturing and production months before the "flu season", so you never really know if your flu vaccination is going to do you one bit of good. But in general, vaccinations should be a pretty straightforward process, especially for modern vaccines which do not use the whole virus.
1) Are the results of the disease sufficiently bad to warrant a vaccine? (You would not for instance vaccinate against the common cold.)
2) Is the disease wide-spread enough to warrant a vaccine? (You would not for instance vaccinate against leprosy.)
3) Assuming that the answers to the first two questions are positive, is this the best choice for a vaccine? (Comparing its effectiveness, cost, and danger against any potential competitors.)
4) If yes, are the potential side effects of the vaccine (as established in its trials and by statistical analysis) acceptable considering the statistically small chance of serious side effects and the potentially serious effects from not being vaccinated?

Obviously a lot of this is guesswork, but if there is a reasonably chance your child may contract a deadly and/or debilitating disease which can be avoided by a vaccine with the normal risks, it's probably worth doing absent any complicating factors such as described by D1gger for his son. Even if you are sure that your child won't do any of those nasty behaviors that cause the disease to spread. Because your chance of being wrong about your child is undoubtedly much greater than the chance of your child getting fired by the vaccination.

 

[Kadarin]

Knock yourself out.

ACK! Ok, maybe not.

 

[SirStev0]

Might want to study up on verbs and nouns.

Nah I think I am good. Like I said it is verbatim copy and paste from dictionary.com
Here is the link since you seem like one of those "too lazy to actually look" people.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/retard

I agree that the first "noun" definition seems a little weirdly worded but I don't pretend to write for oxford dictionary and the complex nature of defining words is something best left up to the experts. (you know, something people like Bachmann and you should do with the whole "medical" thing)

 

[William Gaatjes]

The good old GOP, the anti-science party...

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellne...achmanns-hpv-vaccine-safety/story?id=14516625

The GOP really needs to expunge these extremist views and come back to the center. I realize that during these primaries they are playing to their base but I cannot believe that a majority of republicans actually buy all this anti-science stuff.

Bachman claims HPV vaccine causes mental retardation.
In the case that Bachman had taken large doses of the vaccine in the past, i would take that statement actually seriously.