Bachman Claims HPV Vaccine causes mental retardation!

[werepossum]

If we actually manage to elect an idiot like Bachmann, we might as well pack it up and announce that this grand experiment in representative democracy that is the USA is a failure.

You could make that point just as well with Obama and W. Neither were/have been shining examples of leadership.

 

[tydas]

Is being anti-vaccine one of the GOP's core beliefs?

Good point, it is not...however there is real evidence that the GOP is and has been very anti-science in recent memory...I would guess this comes from them cozying up to the religious right...

And in all fairness the anti-vaccine thing definitely spans both the liberal and conservative ideologies. It is really despicable of Bachman to use this to attack Perry as the vaccine will most likely save tens of thousands of women’s lives. When you have a big a pulpit as she does you need to be more responsible.

 

[Kadarin]

Good point, it is not...however there is real evidence that the GOP is and has been very anti-science in recent memory...I would guess this comes from them cozying up to the religious right...

And in all fairness the anti-vaccine thing definitely spans both the liberal and conservative ideologies. It is really despicable of Bachman to use this to attack Perry as the vaccine will most likely save tens of thousands of women’s lives. When you have a big a pulpit as she does you need to be more responsible.

The thing about this vaccine is that it prevents an STD. To the conservative Republican mindset, however, dying of cervical cancer is a perfectly acceptable consequence for women who engage in perceived immoral sexual behavior.

It's the same concept and same reason why they're against abortion. Forget about "the sanctity of life" bullshit, as they don't care; being forced to raise a child is perfectly acceptable consequence for engaging in perceived immoral sexual behavior.

Both boil down to the "don't do the crime if you can't do the time" slogan that is often espoused here on AT when abortion discussions come up.

 

[First]

You could make that point just as well with Obama and W. Neither were/have been shining examples of leadership.

No, I'm sorry, you really couldn't. Bush wasn't an outright denier the way Bachmann is, and Obama is nothing of the sort in any way, shape or form. Though I like how you compare the failed presidency of Bush with Obama, who has been nowhere near as destructive as his predecessor.

 

[dmcowen674]

Bachman Claims HPV Vaccine causes mental retardation!

The good old GOP, the anti-science party...

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellne...achmanns-hpv-vaccine-safety/story?id=14516625

The GOP really needs to expunge these extremist views and come back to the center. I realize that during these primaries they are playing to their base but I cannot believe that a majority of republicans actually buy all this anti-science stuff.

Republicans are on a roll, sick people just die, now vaccines

Keep it up :thumbsup:

 

[First]

Republicans are on a roll, sick people just die, now vaccines

Keep it up :thumbsup:

Go away troll.

 

[woolfe9999]

You'll have to excuse Bachmann. All she knows is that SHE had the vaccine, and likely just assumes that correlation implies causation.

 

[SirStev0]

Retard [ri-tahrd]:
v.
1.to make slow; delay the development or progress of (an action, process, etc.); hinder or impede.
n.
1. a slowing down, diminution, or hindrance, as in a machine.
2. Michelle Bachman.

 

[xj0hnx]

Retard [ri-tahrd]:
v.
1.to make slow; delay the development or progress of (an action, process, etc.); hinder or impede.
n.
1. a slowing down, diminution, or hindrance, as in a machine.
2. Michelle Bachman.

Quoted for ironing.

 

[SirStev0]

Quoted for ironing.

Considering I copy/pasted it directly from dictionary.com I am guessing I misspelled her name? In which case, who the fuck cares?

 

[ch33zw1z]

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/154582/debate-2004

 

[shira]

Check out places like Michael Dunn Center - they provide residential habilitation for children and adults who among other things have suffered severe health effects from vaccines. During the time I was indirectly associated with them (my sister-in-law worked there) most of the kids and adults there were victims of vaccines, not only retardation but also severe MS-like motor control damage. As I understand it, the damage is caused not by the vaccines themselves, but rather by very high fevers caused by idiosyncratic reactions some individuals have.

This is of course no indictment on vaccines in general; their effect is overwhelmingly beneficial, and they save countless lives and much misery. Polio for instance, one of the most horrible of diseases, is on track to possibly be wiped out completely; the worldwide Rotary clubs have made this one of their core issues. And it's not a vindication of Bachmann; I'm not a particular fan of this program, but I'd guess it saves many more lives than it destroys. But it's worth keeping in mind that nothing made by man is without hazard.

For that matter, nothing made by G-d is without hazard. One of my high school friends drowned in ankle-deep water and they never figured out why. Life is dangerous, and no one gets out alive.

And how - pray tell - did you or anyone else ascertain that the conditions of the patients were a consequence of vaccines?

 

[DrPizza]

What's scary about this is that we have someone legitimately (at least for now) running for the highest office in the United States who seems willing to use one anecdotal case told to her by a complete stranger to help inform her opinion on something of critical importance.

 

[Macamus Prime]

Sarah Palin's vagina has produced a retard - does that mean the GOP will oppose Sarah Palin's vagina?

 

[HomerJS]

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/154582/debate-2004

Recommended viewing in lieu of real debates

 

[rudder]

Would you please point out where in that video Bachmen said the vaccine causes retardition. I couldn't find the statement.

The thread title should be "Bachmen talks about woman that claims vaccine made her daughter retarded". Try to be a little honest please.

This.

However, as a presidential candidate she should not repeat something on air that was basically stranger's opinion. Especially when organizations like the CDC and other medical orgs have said the opposite.

 

[hal2kilo]

The thing about this vaccine is that it prevents an STD. To the conservative Republican mindset, however, dying of cervical cancer is a perfectly acceptable consequence for women who engage in perceived immoral sexual behavior.

It's the same concept and same reason why they're against abortion. Forget about "the sanctity of life" bullshit, as they don't care; being forced to raise a child is perfectly acceptable consequence for engaging in perceived immoral sexual behavior.

Both boil down to the "don't do the crime if you can't do the time" slogan that is often espoused here on AT when abortion discussions come up.

How very perceptive of you. That is the crux of all of the Republican social issues. They could give a flying fxxx about the santitiy of life, and all the other stuff. But, one must be punished for their transgressions of the moral code.

 

[her209]

I bet this is how she got her information about the founders working tirelessly to rid the country of slavery.

 

[Ausm]

Is being anti-vaccine one of the GOP's core beliefs?

Not if it garners a profit.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Recommended viewing in lieu of real debates

So dead on, it's painful. Gotta watch the whole episode.

 

[Phokus]

Go away troll.

I'm awaiting the firestorm on the right against Bachman's stupid statements.

*crickets*

 

[trenchfoot]

I'm awaiting the firestorm on the right against Bachman's stupid statements.

*crickets*

With Perry in the race, the Repubs.....no no, check that....the TEA PARTY is just about ready to walk her off the plank whilst strapping Romney to her ankles as a dead weight.

In hindsight, I'm still wondering how Bachmann ever got anywhere near winning the Iowa straw poll. Because I wasn't there, I can't imagine how normal thinking folks would put her at the top of their wish list en masse like the Iowa voters did. Just say'in.

 

[werepossum]

Considering I copy/pasted it directly from dictionary.com I am guessing I misspelled her name? In which case, who the fuck cares?

Might want to study up on verbs and nouns.

And how - pray tell - did you or anyone else ascertain that the conditions of the patients were a consequence of vaccines?

1. Child gets vaccination.
2. Child soon begins to run a very high fever (slight fever is not unusual or dangerous.)
3. Child begins to experience loss of consciousness, organ failure, brain damage, etc. As I understand it, this is a result of the high fever, not a direct consequence of the vaccine itself. In other words, it's an attack by the individual's immune system on what it perceives as an attacker. This is how vaccines work - your immune system detects the pathogen and produces antibodies against it, giving you partial or complete immunity against future exposures. I don't think at this point anyone really understands why the occasional person has such a catastrophic reaction to a vaccine, any more than we understand why the occasional person has such a catastrophic reaction to bee stings or peanuts or latex.

Vaccines can be quite dangerous, but generally speaking modern vaccines use only partial genetic material from the virus, which is much, much safer than the older vaccines which used killed or attenuated viruses. Obviously these were quite dangerous, as the virus may not be killed or sufficiently attenuated for a particular individual's immune system. Vaccines can also be contaminated of course, but that's a risk with anything one ingests, and it's a pretty safe bet that a child's vaccine is much less likely to be contaminated than is the child's lunch. Nonetheless, any vaccine poses some risk, and no vaccine should be added without thorough assessment of the likely risks and benefits.

I'm not necessarily saying that Perry mandated this vaccine without such an assessment, although as a general principle I disapprove of a governor mandating a vaccine for 11 & 12 year old girls for a sexually transmitted disease, from a company fronted by a close friend and associate, without going through the legislature (although there was an opt-out procedure from what I understand.) Nor am I saying that Bachmann is right on this; I don't know how many girls this age are having intercourse and could presumably be saved from cervical cancer down the road, but it's almost certainly higher than the number who will have serious adverse effects, if the vaccine works. All I'm saying is that those saying "Stupid Bachmann, vaccines are safe" are oversimplifying. Vaccines, like anything man does, have a risk of very serious consequences and should not be blindly added. It might be one in a million who has a serious adverse effect, but if we administer it to ten million, that's ten lives destroyed, and their family's lives too to a large extent. Best to make absolutely sure that the vaccine works, that it is the best such vaccine available, and that the side effects are worth the price.

 

[werepossum]

What's scary about this is that we have someone legitimately (at least for now) running for the highest office in the United States who seems willing to use one anecdotal case told to her by a complete stranger to help inform her opinion on something of critical importance.

In this case, her opinion is probably based 99% on the need to hit back against Perry, who has swept in and taken her support base. Although she does seem pretty socially conservative, so she presumably has moral objections to 11 & 12 year old girls being administered vaccines for STDs. But I'm betting that she would not be nearly so outspoken on this issue were the vaccine implemented by a Republican who is not running for the Presidency.

Tweaker's right though, Bachmann is toast. No one reaches the Presidency directly from the House, and she hasn't shown anything to indicate she is worthy of breaking that rule. I doubt six months from now she's even still in the race, at least not pulling double digits.

 

[Todd33]

Again I am forced to wonder why our only choices come election day are between either a fiscal conservative religious nut job or a social liberal who can't balance a checkbook?

By just about any measure the Democrat have not fielded a real liberal in many decades. Obama is a moderate, he is more right than Bush in some areas.

The real question is why are Republicans so anti-reality, anti-science and anti-education? Do they really want the country led purely by personality and no brains? Bunch of stiff white pretty guys and easy on the eyes no-nothing women. Give me an ugly, smart woman or short fat smart guy, it is all style and no substance on the right.