"Baby boomers" may still outlive assets

techs

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"Baby boomers" may still outlive assets

"Baby boomers" may still outlive assets Mon Jul 14, 6:29 PM ET



Even baby boomers who prune spending when they retire risk outliving their assets as they likely will live longer and experience volatile rates of both inflation and investments, a new study said on Monday.

Almost three out of five new middle-class retirees will outlast their savings unless they live more modestly after they quit the work force, said the study commissioned by Americans for Secure Retirement, a lobbying coalition for policies to help Americans retire.

The oldest among the 77 million baby boomers are the best-prepared, according to the study, done for the coalition by accountants Ernst & Young. Middle-class people now retiring only face an average cut of 24 percent in their standard of living while those who won't retire for seven years face a 37 percent reduction, it said.

Rhode Island, New York, Utah and the District of Columbia are the four places where residents are least likely to burn all their savings.

Retirees in Montana, South Dakota and Wyoming are the most likely to outlive their nest eggs, according to the study.

Companies that sell annuities would benefit from some of the policies the coalition supports. For example, the group backs a congressional bill that would shield half of the income from a lifetime annuity from taxation, up to $20,000 a year.

Married couples are more likely to outlive their assets than single individuals, the study said. For example, so-called near retirees, at age 58, have an average nest egg of $105,000 if their yearly income is $50,000. Their savings rise to an average of $280,000 if they earn $100,000 a year.

New retirees, with an average age of 65, have $175,000 in savings if they earned $50,000, and $585,000 if they earned $100,000 a year, the study said.

"Many Americans envision a retirement where their lifestyle continues much as before," said Tom Neubig of Ernst & Young.

"Our work shows this is not a realistic expectation and that, with the current state of savings and potentially very long life expectancies, many retirees will have to cut back far more on expenditures than they had ever expected."

"The very real possibility of living to age 90 or 100 combined with the volatility of inflation and investment returns means that the risk of outliving one's assets is quite high," the study said.




As I have consistently posted. It is virtually impossible for an individual to use their actual private savings as their sole means of retirement. You cannot predict how long you will live. And therefore you either use the figure of 100 years old, which would mean you would need to put every penny you ever earned into your retirement, or use the average lifespan and put in less. However, either way you cannot predict how much you will need. And therefore their will always be tens of millions of retirees who use their entire savings and go penniless. And so the government would have to support you, or let you die.
Which is why privatizing retirement cannot possibly succeed.


 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: techs
Which is why privatizing retirement cannot possibly succeed.

That's a very stretched conclusion.

The SS and Medicare programs are unsustainable however. At least as is.
 

EagleKeeper

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Why is it the government's responsibility to support you.
 

PingSpike

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SS will still be available. Its just that the $2000 or so will only buy a hot meal once a week at that point.
 

NeoV

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I call for a ban on any future "as I predicted" threads, as well as anything that says "and/so/now it begins"
 

Genx87

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The OP takes the cake on making conclusions based on the most loose facts.
So if people live 12-22 years past the median age in this country and cant sustain themselves over that time period the rest of us should suffer through a social program that is unsustainable?

Is this where you tell me to pick up a book?
 

BoberFett

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This has nothing to do with privatization. If it costs too much for someone to support themselves for 30 to 40 years on their savings, it sure as hell will cost the rest of us too much. Retirement age needs to be raised. People live a lot longer than they used to.
 

CycloWizard

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Originally posted by: techs
As I have consistently posted. It is virtually impossible for an individual to use their actual private savings as their sole means of retirement. You cannot predict how long you will live. And therefore you either use the figure of 100 years old, which would mean you would need to put every penny you ever earned into your retirement, or use the average lifespan and put in less. However, either way you cannot predict how much you will need. And therefore their will always be tens of millions of retirees who use their entire savings and go penniless. And so the government would have to support you, or let you die.
Which is why privatizing retirement cannot possibly succeed.
Because people cannot possibly be responsible for themselves? Because people cannot err on the side of caution and work a couple extra years to make sure they don't run out of money? What a joke. What did people do before government-subsidized retirement? I'm pretty sure they still got by somehow. The government safety net is the problem, as usual. If it weren't there, maybe people would save for themselves rather than have me pay for them to retire at the age of 62 after working only 5 years at a government job.
 

StageLeft

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so-called near retirees, at age 58, have an average nest egg of $105,000 if their yearly income is $50,000. Their savings rise to an average of $280,000 if they earn $100,000 a year.
HAHAHA

Fvcking idiots.
As I have consistently posted. It is virtually impossible for an individual to use their actual private savings as their sole means of retirement. You cannot predict how long you will live. And therefore you either use the figure of 100 years old, which would mean you would need to put every penny you ever earned into your retirement, or use the average lifespan and put in less. However, either way you cannot predict how much you will need. And therefore their will always be tens of millions of retirees who use their entire savings and go penniless. And so the government would have to support you, or let you die.
Which is why privatizing retirement cannot possibly succeed.
No, this is why you just need some insurance approach or government guarantee that if you live past, say 85, then it will start giving you money. I agree it makes no sense for the average person to save & spend as if they'll live to 100 years old, that's silly, but saying gov needs to have a bigger role is patently ridiculous. People need to stop being deadbeat assholes. Are these people completely brain dead? Make $50k/year and only 105 in savings, what the hell? They didn't read anything about retirement or go to school and learn basic math skills?
 

ayabe

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techs - your prescience is truly astounding.

You mean that millions of baby boomers are woefully unprepared for retirement? Really? I had no idea.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: ayabe
You mean that millions of baby boomers are woefully unprepared for retirement? Really? I had no idea.

And the government isn't prepared for them to retire either.

It is just insane that one could see how corrupt and inefficient federal government is, has, and always will be, and still want to give it more power and more control over people's lives.

Congress and the president have all-time low approval ratings, and yet people want them to manage our health care? Manage our retirement? It's just insanity.
 

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Assumption 1) Person starts earning 100,000 @ 30 years old
Assumption 2) Individual and employer SS contribution equal 14% ($14,000 a year)
Assumption 3) Person retires at 65.

35 x 14,000 = $490,000. And that's with absolutely no interest. Straight principal.

When you go to $50,000, they have half that amount, so $245,000. That's way more than the $175,000 that they would have otherwise as stated in the article.

Sounds like for most of those people they are better off socking away that 14% in a savings account. At least then I can feel a little better about it being MINE instead of having a pile of IOU's left in place of actual cash.