B3d shocker! Rev calls site biased, quits.

[nRollo]

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21621

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21683

Wow. That guy is huge in the review industry, tough loss for B3d. I've been reading "The Reverend" since 3dfx days.

 

[Cat]

I don't really like the guy. He doesn't really know anything, he just talks to famous developers.

 

[Megatomic]

*tries to care*
*fails*

I haven't read a review there in a long while. How does Mr. Tan fit into the organization there?

 

[Matthias99]

I'm still leaning towards it being an elaborate April Fools' Day joke.

If he's serious, the guy's just hamming it up. He posted a wildly incendiary 'NVIDIA vs. ATI'-type thread that sounded vaguely like it was accusing B3D of being biased, and he was NOT expecting a firestorm of criticism from all sides? And now he's throwing a hissy fit and leaving? Come on.

 

[ronnn]

Where did he call the site biased? Anyways I guess this is the end of B3d.

 

[kylebisme]

Ding-dong the witch is dead!

Ok, that was a bit harsh; but have never seen Rev show much competence aside from his ablity to blow wind. For instance, the other day on B3D forms when asked about an issue with Far Cry 1.3 and I recomended the 1.31 patch. He responded by saying he had never heard of the 1.31 patch and couldn't find it anywhere; dispite the fact that it is bound to be on almost every game file site out there and a quick Google search would bring up plenty of downloads. How can anyone respect the opinion of a guy who can't even find a patch for himself?

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: ronnn
Where did he call the site biased? Anyways I guess this is the end of B3d.

This was the original post he made that (I guess) started all this:

IN MY OPINION (and it's a serious one), NVIDIA has done more to advance PC 3D graphics than any other company. By a mile.

ATI, however, has seen one avenue to reduce this -- by being more friendly and accessible to media outlets (like Beyond3D). Does anyone think Dave, for example, is getting preferential treatment from ATI (for whatever -- valid [according to ATI] or otherwise reasons)?

(emphasis *not* added; it was bolded like that in the original)

He later explained that he didn't intend this to sound like Dave (the guy who runs B3D) was doing anything wrong or being biased. But I don't think it's unreasonable to read that into his post. Certainly someone who's been around for a while would realize that making a post like this almost assures generating a flamefest. Maybe I'm jaded, but I'm a tad incredulous that he would do this unintentionally.

 

[NightTrain]

I believe nothing I read today...not even what I just typed.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: NightTrain
I believe nothing I read today...not even what I just typed.

Yep. Today being what it is, my first thought on anything out of the ordinary is "It's all fake meatball!"

 

[BFG10K]

I'd believe this if it were posted on any other day.

 

[Rand]

Of course it's fake.
He starts an obviously inflammatory thread.
Requests people to expand upon their reasoning for disagreeing with him, all while never even once so much as hinting at his own reasons for feeling nVidia has done more to innovate then ATi or any other corportation. Provides to information or data to back up his opinion and refuses to even explain why or how he has come to said opinion.
He subtly insinuates bias on the part B3D (Later denies that being his intention, though it's not hard to come to that conclusion)... unusual he'd claim B3D as biased given the lengths the site goes to refrain from ever directly comparing the two companies products.

Dave Baumann conveniently quickly shows up just in time to call him irresponsible and unknowledgeable, then gives the thread plenty of time for others to comment upon and stir up commotion... Dave and 'Reverand' and coincidentally absent after Dave's post.
Reverand then starts a new thread to play out how angry he is and quits B3D, Dave is of course absent and doesn't appear to comment at all.

All seems a little oddly timed to say the least.

Reverand's initial thread seems awfully unlike him, not to mention the fact that he completely contradicts statements he's made in the past with respect to nVidia's innovation relative to other companies.

If he keeps this up for a few more days maybe I might vaugely begin to believe this...

 

[kylebisme]

If you serch his previous posts on B3D i think you will you will see that it has been building up to this for quite a while. I am sure that the timing is intierly coincidental and this is very much real.

 

[BenSkywalker]

I don't really like the guy. He doesn't really know anything, he just talks to famous developers.

He was the last person associated with B3D that could be considered anything close to impartial. Without him, it is little more then Rage3D with more informed forum posters. The reviews on B3D used to provide very in depth analysis of the capabilities of the chips, now you have to go elsewhere(Digit-Life in particular)- B3D regularly fails to compare to Tom's in terms of factual information provided(in terms of raw data, obviously analysis is something else entirely).

Also, Rev was the only real gamer ever associated with the site. Taking that out another step he was the only person who was greatly interested in any implementation of 3D technology outside of theoretical. This isn't just of recent, back when Dave Barron and Kristof first combined their sites up until today Rev was the only poster(in terms of B3D employ) that would actually make it a point to show people why a given technology was so good(for whatever reasons). Dave Barron and Kristof at the very least would be reasonable in their assertions and explain logic behind it, right or wrong in the end, something that has long been lost.

BTW- Check the dates of the posts, this wasn't an April Fools joke.

 

[ginfest]

You hit the nail on the head there Ben!
As any1 who's been reading the site/forums consistently know the anti-NV crowd has really taken over there. The forums used to be filled with devs and people who were knowledgable in the industry, Dave has allowed it to become a haven for ATI fanbois and admitted thiefs. Of course Dave has for a while been slanted to ATI and his coverage shows it. He makes no secret of the fact the ATI is more accessable than NV
The whole thing started when Rev posted a thought-provoking thread stating that in his opinion NV has been the most influential IHV in the development of 3D and bang, the hate-NV crowd came out in force and of course swept Rev up in it as even his sanity was questioned!
Talk about idiocy-it's friggin' computer hardware not the state of the world but Dave has allowed those forums to degenerate to the point that the mods openly root against a particular IHV!
I'm sure that this thread has already been "reported" to Dave thru his forums as AT has also become one of the whipping boys there.
I still read the forums daily in hopes of learning what I can from those few industry people left but my ignore list has really grown in the past 2 years.

Mike G

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Matthias99

Originally posted by: ronnn
Where did he call the site biased? Anyways I guess this is the end of B3d.

This was the original post he made that (I guess) started all this:

IN MY OPINION (and it's a serious one), NVIDIA has done more to advance PC 3D graphics than any other company. By a mile.

ATI, however, has seen one avenue to reduce this -- by being more friendly and accessible to media outlets (like Beyond3D). Does anyone think Dave, for example, is getting preferential treatment from ATI (for whatever -- valid [according to ATI] or otherwise reasons)?

(emphasis *not* added; it was bolded like that in the original)

He later explained that he didn't intend this to sound like Dave (the guy who runs B3D) was doing anything wrong or being biased. But I don't think it's unreasonable to read that into his post. Certainly someone who's been around for a while would realize that making a post like this almost assures generating a flamefest. Maybe I'm jaded, but I'm a tad incredulous that he would do this unintentionally.

He said the opposite. That he used to think he was bias for ATi, and against NV. He now thinks he is not bias, and the most level headed person he knows. So it is unreasonable to read that into his post.

What it comes down to, as it appears to me is, he is leaving, for expressing his opinion too openly too many times. Not for calling sites bias, unless I missed it somewhere in the posts. If its real at all.

 

[imported_Reverend]

Originally posted by: Cat
I don't really like the guy. He doesn't really know anything, he just talks to famous developers.

I suppose that (i.e talking to "famous" developers, and reporting to the public) is a bad thing? You've learned nothing from them? I should stop?

But you may be right... I probably know nothing, aside from debating with ATI engineers on nothing but technical stuff. These were interesting debates... perhaps you missed them?

<sorry for bringing up an apparently-dead thread>

 

[imported_humey]

May be it would be better to talk to Nvidia engineers about "tech stuff" as ATI has 2 year old technology

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Reverend

Originally posted by: Cat
I don't really like the guy. He doesn't really know anything, he just talks to famous developers.

I suppose that (i.e talking to "famous" developers, and reporting to the public) is a bad thing? You've learned nothing from them? I should stop?

But you may be right... I probably know nothing, aside from debating with ATI engineers on nothing but technical stuff. These were interesting debates... perhaps you missed them?

<sorry for bringing up an apparently-dead thread>

Welcome to my dead thread, Reverend! I've been reading "The Pulpit" off and on for many years.

Good stuff, keep up the good work.

BTW- good to see you at AT. I've gone to B3d less and less over the years this forum can always use someone with insider info.

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Reverend

Originally posted by: Cat
I don't really like the guy. He doesn't really know anything, he just talks to famous developers.

I suppose that (i.e talking to "famous" developers, and reporting to the public) is a bad thing? You've learned nothing from them? I should stop?

But you may be right... I probably know nothing, aside from debating with ATI engineers on nothing but technical stuff. These were interesting debates... perhaps you missed them?

<sorry for bringing up an apparently-dead thread>

Welcome to my dead thread, Reverend! I've been reading "The Pulpit" off and on for many years.

Good stuff, keep up the good work.

BTW- good to see you at AT. I've gone to B3d less and less over the years this forum can always use someone with insider info.

Meh, B3D went off my bookmark list around the launch of the 9800 Series. By that point, it was obvious they were just a press front for the Red Boys in Canada.

Anyway, welcome Rev - it's a much better crowd here

 

[blckgrffn]

Yes, welcome. REALLY informed people are in short supply...people with real knowledge of the industry are very welcome here!

Hope to see you someday have more posts than 6

Nat