[B]Read the mod edit[/B]Is it legal for AMD to market the RX 480 as a 150W

[Nhirlathothep]

barely legal

 

[Glo.]

Both before AND after the recent driver update, the RX 480 has been pulling over 160W on average when under sustained heavy gaming load. In fact, the card pulls more average and peak power post-update, which explains its "miraculous" 3% performance improvement across the board.

In short, how is this even legal? The cards power consumption is more in line with a GTX 980, which was rated at 165W.

The only time the 150W TDP is honoured is when the card is set to compatibility mode, which however comes at about 4-5% performance loss.

I hope somebody can explain to me how is able able to get away with something like this. I've look at the GTX 960, 1070 and 1080 and found nothing to suggest average power draw of the reference models is above the rated TDP.

Sources:

https://www.techpowerup.com/223981/amd-releases-pci-express-power-draw-fix-we-tested-confirmed-works

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-rx-480-polaris-power-fix,4668.html

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphi...ion-Concerns-Fixed-1671-Driver/Rise-Tomb-Raid

EDIT: "TDP" in the title of this thread is redundant. AMD advertises it as the Board Power which clearly refers to power consumption and nothing else.

See here: http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/graphics/radeon-rx-series/radeon-rx-480

TDP is for GPU die only. GPU die draws 110W, which is way below 150W TDP spec. Typical Board Power - that is completely different thing.

Well, AMD learned a few things from Nvidia, however they are using it in much worse way. Worse, for them.

 

[FIVR]

So trolling/shilling is allowed here, as long as it is pro-NVDA?





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Threadcrapping and trolling are not allowed
And no trolling is NOT allowed
Markfw900

 

[ul256]

I guess this thread was on to something: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2479725

This stuff is making me not want to buy Nvidia just because it is so annoying. It's like the guy that kept spamming the AMD reddit about the pcie power draw until it became a big deal. Just leave it alone and let people buy whatever card is best for them.

 

[Flapdrol1337]

I guess this thread was on to something: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2479725

This stuff is making me not want to buy Nvidia just because it is so annoying. It's like the guy that kept spamming the AMD reddit about the pcie power draw until it became a big deal. Just leave it alone and let people buy whatever card is best for them.

why are you linking to this exact thread?

 

[Sweepr]

Poor OP, stating a truth and asking a question is now considered shilling? There are dozens of reviews where Radeon RX 480 exceeds 150W and 80° C.

 

[FIVR]

I guess this thread was on to something: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2479725

This stuff is making me not want to buy Nvidia just because it is so annoying. It's like the guy that kept spamming the AMD reddit about the pcie power draw until it became a big deal. Just leave it alone and let people buy whatever card is best for them.

NVDA has their own paid-for guy to spam AT with that crap too, he almost got banned for posting 3 of the same thread (the one you mentioned) in an hour! Can you say "agenda"?


I think he double-dips for the $$$ in CPU and Overclocking also, except there he fights for another team. Too bad Tegra was such a pathetic failure. I bet nv would not be pleased to see their guy shilling for another team, even in a field they know nothing about (CPU).



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Markfw900

 

[coercitiv]

Poor OP, stating a truth and asking a question

This is not a thread about RX 480 power consumption, since this subject is already being extensively discussed in a previous forum thread. This thread's only point of existence is the legality of AMD marketing in relation to RX 480.

Do you, the OP, or anyone else have any point or source to support the idea that AMDs marketing for the RX 480 was in any way illegal?

 

[cytg111]

barely legal

Heeeeh .. as it seems the topic is flame retardent.. eeh, how is that spelled again..

 

[Ma_Deuce]

I guess this thread was on to something: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2479725

This stuff is making me not want to buy Nvidia just because it is so annoying. It's like the guy that kept spamming the AMD reddit about the pcie power draw until it became a big deal. Just leave it alone and let people buy whatever card is best for them.

I don't know if Nvidia is just spending more of their marketing dollars on forums over the past 5 years, but it's getting old.

 

[rgallant]

Is it legal for AMD to market the RX 480 as a 150W TDP card when it is clearly not?
Is it legal for nv to market the GTX 10xx as a $$xxx card , then sell the gpu's at more than $50-100 more on their own site , when it is clearly not the base price of the GPU?

 

[96Firebird]

"TYPICAL" board power is just that, typical.

Manufacturer's "SUGGESTED" retail price is just that, suggested.

 

[Keysplayr]

Is it legal for AMD to market the RX 480 as a 150W TDP card when it is clearly not?
Is it legal for nv to market the GTX 10xx as a $$xxx card , then sell the gpu's at more than $50-100 more on their own site , when it is clearly not the base price of the GPU?

Price gouging is well out of Nvidia's or AMD's control. Unless contractually obligated to adhere to a pricing structure.

The specs of the GPU, PCB, or other, falls on the manufacturer. Similar to the GTX970 3.5GB/4GB thing. People lost their minds. I mean salivated over it.

So, your comparison isn't relevant.

And I'd like to add, that I couldn't give a rats buttocks how much power the 480 actually uses. It is a great card at a great price. Especially the 199.00 RX480 4GB model. The 8GB model is a tough sell at 249.00 vs. say the upcoming 249.00 6GB 1060. But, it is still a great performing card for the price.

Should AMD be scrutinized for the TDP of this card? Not at all. But there are some who absolutely must make a big stink out of it. And they have no real reason to.

 

[Kenmitch]

I should also point out that there are no reference GTX 970 models, hence why all the reviews mention a higher power consumption cause the AIBs set higher limits.

I call BS on that statement.

Isn't it really the original FE card. Wasn't named so but always carried the premium.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/nvidia-...lack/9855169.p?id=1219441201895&skuId=9855169

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-970/product-images

 

[amenx]

TDP is often misunderstood. It has not total power draw, it is thermal design power.

The thermal design power (TDP), sometimes called thermal design point, is the maximum amount of heat generated by the CPU that the cooling system in a computer is required to dissipate in typical operation. Rather than specifying CPU's real power dissipation, TDP serves as the nominal value for designing CPU cooling systems.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_design_power