AZ shooting fallout. It isnt the Left or Right, its the Elite vs the Peasants.....

[Specop 007]

Shallow minds are doing their damnedest to point fingers at the "other side", all the while those in power are looking to limit the freedoms and rights of ALL of the "peasants" regardless of which side you stand on.

Scary times, the fallout from this shooting could be tremendous and it seems most are too busy trying to pin the blame on the "other guys" to see the shaft coming for them....




http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...-bill-that-would-outlaw-threatening-lawmakers

Dem planning bill that would outlaw threatening lawmakers

Rep. Robert Brady (D-Pa.) reportedly plans to introduce legislation that would make it a federal crime to use language or symbols that could be perceived as threatening or inciting violence against a federal official or member of Congress.




http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=E8F5DA2C-2CDB-40E3-9794-AD0194C7FAC6

McCarthy readies gun control bill

One of the fiercest gun-control advocates in Congress, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), pounced on the shooting massacre in Tucson Sunday, promising to introduce legislation as soon as Monday targeting the high-capacity ammunition clip the gunman used.

McCarthy ran for Congress after her husband was gunned down and her son seriously injured in a shooting in 1993 on a Long Island commuter train.

“My staff is working on looking at the different legislation fixes that we might be able to do and we might be able to introduce as early as tomorrow,” McCarthy told POLITICO in a Sunday afternoon phone interview.

 

[CPA]

yep, didn't take long for the Dems to politicize this event.

 

[Scotteq]

It's been done before:

http://www.constitution.org/rf/sedition_1798.htm

SECT. 2. And be it further enacted, That if any person shall write, print, utter, or publish, or shall cause or procure to be written, printed, uttered, or published, or shall knowingly and willingly assist or aid in writing, printing, uttering, or publishing any false, scandalous and malicious writing or writings against the government of the United States, or either House of the Congress of the United States, or the President of the United States, with intent to defame the said government, or either House of the said Congress, or the said President, or to bring them, or either of them, into contempt or disrepute; or to excite against them, or either or any of them, the hatred of the good people of the United States, or to stir up sedition within the United States; or to excite any unlawful combinations therein, for opposing or resisting any law of the United States, or any act of the President of the United States, done in pursuance of any such law, or of the powers in him vested by the Constitution of the United States; or to resist, oppose, or defeat any such law or act; or to aid, encourage or abet any hostile designs of any foreign nation against the United States, their people or government, then such person, being thereof convicted before any court of the United States having jurisdiction thereof, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding two thousand dollars, and by imprisonment not exceeding two years.

As far as the Gun Control part: It's already illegal for individuals with criminal and (dangerous) mental records to purchase/own firearms. I would support a strengthening of the means/methods/background checks necessary to make better and more efficient determinations; and also improved enforcement of same. But we should understand that's already against the law.

For the 'High Capacity' ban - We did have one between 1994 and 2004 (10 rounds), which was allowed to lapse. The world didn't end then, and wouldn't if that came back. I would also support this, even if only for the placebo effect.

 

[dmcowen674]

yep, didn't take long for the Dems to politicize this event.

Tends to happen when fired upon by radical righties.

 

[irishScott]

Tends to happen when fired upon by radical righties.

If radical righties were such a problem you'd be dead by now. The guy was insane. His political affiliations don't matter for shit.

 

[Specop 007]

Tends to happen when fired upon by radical righties.

Right, when in fear for your life suppress the rights of the people.

Makes sense to me.

 

[dmcowen674]

If radical righties were such a problem you'd be dead by now. The guy was insane. His political affiliations don't matter for shit.

I'm sure this bunch thought the same thing:

LEXINGTON and CONCORD



"The shot heard 'round the world"​

Over 700 Redcoats marched through the night of April 18, 1775, reaching Lexington near dawn. Awaiting them were 77 Minutemen - farmers and laborers trained to be "ready in a minute." One musket went off. Historians still debate which side fired the first shot, but within seconds, eight colonists lay dead on Lexington Green.​

On to Concord, 400 Minutemen exchanged gunfire with 120 Redcoats at the North Bridge. Pealing church bells spread the alarm and colonial numbers grew to 5,000. The British would have been massacred, but reinforcements arrived as they fled back to Boston. April 19, 1775 … the war had begun!

 

[CPA]

Tends to happen when fired upon by radical righties.

You've said some stupid things in your time, but this takes the cake.

 

[ProfJohn]

“My staff is working on looking at the different legislation fixes that we might be able to do and we might be able to introduce as early as tomorrow,” McCarthy told POLITICO in a Sunday afternoon phone interview.

Maybe we should make it against the law to be crazy. That should solve the problem.

 

[JS80]

Tends to happen when fired upon by radical righties.

It's kind of humorous to see the left and the media (one and the same) taking the opportunity to blame Sarah Palin and the "target" fliers that went out, with no mention of the fact that this guy was a left wing radical communist.

 

[Tom]

Aren't there laws in Arizona that prevent mentally unstable people from owning guns ?

If there aren't there should be. If there are, then the issue seems to be more about our woeful inattention to mental health.

We need to reduce the stigma associated with getting help.
We need to properly fund mental health care.
People with identified issues need to be monitored, or in some cases removed from the general population.

 

[Bowfinger]

Right, when in fear for your life suppress the rights of the people.

Makes sense to me.

I seem to remember you being all for it when the bogeyman du jour was terrorism. Who cares about the people's rights when there are terrorists under your bed, right?

Sadly, the government and the powerful interests pulling their strings often exploit tragedy and irrational fears to jam through all sorts of obnoxious legislation. This is true for both the left and the right.

 

[ProfJohn]

There are laws against crazy people having guns, but this guy was never called crazy by anyone other than his college.

The school kicked him out and told he needed to get help before he could return, but never told anyone else about his mental issues.

 

[shiner]

You've said some stupid things in your time, but this takes the cake.

Don't mention cake or you'll have him drooling all over the thread

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

Aren't there laws in Arizona that prevent mentally unstable people from owning guns ?

If there aren't there should be. If there are, then the issue seems to be more about our woeful inattention to mental health.

We need to reduce the stigma associated with getting help.
We need to properly fund mental health care.
People with identified issues need to be monitored, or in some cases removed from the general population.

No there aren't any laws like that.

 

[Bowfinger]

It's kind of humorous to see the left and the media (one and the same) taking the opportunity to blame Sarah Palin and the "target" fliers that went out, with no mention of the fact that this guy was a left wing radical communist.

Methinks you need to learn what the word "fact" means. (Though you're just trolling anyway, so it would make no difference to you.)

 

[shiner]

I'm sure this bunch thought the same thing:

LEXINGTON and CONCORD



"The shot heard 'round the world"​

Over 700 Redcoats marched through the night of April 18, 1775, reaching Lexington near dawn. Awaiting them were 77 Minutemen - farmers and laborers trained to be "ready in a minute." One musket went off. Historians still debate which side fired the first shot, but within seconds, eight colonists lay dead on Lexington Green.​

On to Concord, 400 Minutemen exchanged gunfire with 120 Redcoats at the North Bridge. Pealing church bells spread the alarm and colonial numbers grew to 5,000. The British would have been massacred, but reinforcements arrived as they fled back to Boston. April 19, 1775 … the war had begun!

Here are some more straws for you to grasp at..

 

[Specop 007]

I seem to remember you being all for it when the bogeyman du jour was terrorism. Who cares about the people's rights when there are terrorists under your bed, right?

Sadly, the government and the powerful interests pulling their strings often exploit tragedy and irrational fears to jam through all sorts of obnoxious legislation. This is true for both the left and the right.

I've never supported the suppression of rights for Americans.

You've confused my position on terrorist fighters overseas with treatment of Americans at home.

 

[irishScott]

I'm sure this bunch thought the same thing:

LEXINGTON and CONCORD



"The shot heard 'round the world"​

Over 700 Redcoats marched through the night of April 18, 1775, reaching Lexington near dawn. Awaiting them were 77 Minutemen - farmers and laborers trained to be "ready in a minute." One musket went off. Historians still debate which side fired the first shot, but within seconds, eight colonists lay dead on Lexington Green.​

On to Concord, 400 Minutemen exchanged gunfire with 120 Redcoats at the North Bridge. Pealing church bells spread the alarm and colonial numbers grew to 5,000. The British would have been massacred, but reinforcements arrived as they fled back to Boston. April 19, 1775 … the war had begun!

I fail to see the connection between the American Revolutionaries and a paranoid psychopathic gunman. Copmpletely different times and completely different context. Relating the two is like relating Barney the Dinosaur to a triceratops.

Given that you apparently see one and are using 4th grade history lessons to back it up you're sounding an awful lot like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7RUeMCZL3Q

 

[Bowfinger]

I've never supported the suppression of rights for Americans.

You've confused my position on terrorist fighters overseas with treatment of Americans at home.

Perhaps, and if so I apologize. Many of your peers were quite willing to trample Americans' rights in the name of fighting terror, but kudos to you if you weren't one of them.

 

[Scotteq]

No there aren't any laws like that.

Perhaps not on a State level (I don't know/care abut AZ law, since I don't live there), but Federal law still requires a background check be run:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/nics

 

[shiner]

I fail to see the connection between the American Revolutionaries and a paranoid psychopathic gunman. Copmpletely different times and completely different context. Relating the two is like relating Barney the Dinosaur to an actual T-Rex.

Get it on, bang a gong, get it on.....

 

[Specop 007]

Perhaps, and if so I apologize. Many of your peers were quite willing to trample Americans' rights in the name of fighting terror, but kudos to you if you weren't one of them.

No worries, and hell that position is and was held by both sides. Remember the Democratic outcry when the Republicans pushed through the Patriot Act.....Fast forward a few years and guess who renews it? Yep, the Democrats.

And of course theres been issues that went the other way as well. The Dems would pass it to the outcry and hand wringing of the Repubs only to have the Repubs renew it later on down the road.

 

[dmcowen674]

I fail to see the connection between the American Revolutionaries and a paranoid psychopathic gunman. Copmpletely different times and completely different context. Relating the two is like relating Barney the Dinosaur to a triceratops.

I'm sure the Brits thought of the primitive new Colonists the same way back then too as completely out of their minds.

 

[Specop 007]

I'm sure the Brits thought of the primitive new Colonists the same way back then too as completely out of their minds.

"No taxation without representation" is a pretty easy concept to understand as to why one might want to throw off the shackles of the controlling government. Hell I think Britain to some degree always had to worry about their outlying colonies trying to overthrow the British Rule.