AZ bathroom bill targets transgenders

[zsdersw]

http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/article_accdd35e-f75b-5f89-b1aa-4523fae90cab.html

I had no idea transgender people were common enough, let alone in Arizona, to warrant an act of the state legislature and a 6-month prison sentence. Whoever thought of this bill should be recalled... for wasting taxpayer dollars on this nonsense.

 

[irishScott]

The bill would require people to use public restrooms, dressing rooms or locker rooms associated with the sex listed on their birth certificate or face six months in jail.

Lol, most unenforceable law ever. Granted I see transgender-ing as self mutilation and something that should be outlawed (and referred to a psych ward when found), but this law is just stupid.

 

[Oldgamer]

How are they planning to enforce this? Most post operative trannsgender persons look exactly like a woman in their nether regions. This is just stupid. What are they going to do, ask you to pull down your pants before you go to the bathroom?

 

[zsdersw]

I don't think the dumbass in the state legislature who proposed the bill bothered to think about such common-sense considerations.

 

[Spungo]

How are they planning to enforce this? Most post operative trannsgender persons look exactly like a woman in their nether regions. This is just stupid. What are they going to do, ask you to pull down your pants before you go to the bathroom?

The objective is to make trans women easier to rape. Imagine you are in the mens bathroom and this cute little thing walks in:

It's about to get all rapy up in here

 

[who?]

So if somebody looks,sounds and acts female but their birth certificate says they're male these people want them in the mens room?

 

[jaqie]

This is one of the biggest reasons people like me have become terrified of just plain old going out in public... criminalizing how you were born... I have been so terrified of similar problems that I have avoided going to the bathroom anywhere but home for many years, and it has resulted in an incredibly painful and incurable urinary problem.

For anyone who did not happen to see it, I posted a thread in health & fitness not long ago about being intersexed. http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2308711

The TSA laws have already made it extremely disconcerting for people like us to even be in an airport... how long until people like me are killed at birth or worse yet enslaved or something?

Seriously... there are already a lot of people like me which have been put on the national sex offender registry for simply using the restroom which fits our appearance... how far are people going to go here to make how someone was born criminal?

 

[Brovane]

You can get away with believing anything as long as God told you so.

 

[SheHateMe]

In Asia, you can't tell who is transgender and who isn't...their lady boys look very convincing.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

In Asia, you can't tell who is transgender and who isn't...their lady boys look very convincing.

There's many in America that are the same way; I think most in asia start transitioning younger and that makes an immense difference. If I'm paying attention and can see most of their body (sans genitals), I can usually tell unless they started before puberty.

 

[fskimospy]

I wonder when it was exactly that Arizona decided to become the state that passed all the really embarrassing laws.

 

[Smoblikat]

The objective is to make trans women easier to rape. Imagine you are in the mens bathroom and this cute little thing walks in:

It's about to get all rapy up in here

This picture scares me, the male part of me wants to undress her in my mind, but the context that she was posted in makes the logical part of me fear that once undressed she will be packing a pole.............

 

[Greenman]

It seems as though the bill is aimed at cross dressers, but includes transgender as collateral damage.

I'm honestly not sure how I feel about this, it's always seemed to me that wanting to change from a perfectly healthy man into sort of a woman, is more of a mental health issue than anything else.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

I'm honestly not sure how I feel about this, it's always seemed to me that wanting to change from a perfectly healthy man into sort of a woman, is more of a mental health issue than anything else.

It might be more suitable to look at it as a mental health issue. However, desire to change isn't the issue with it. Feeling uncomfortable in your own body is the issue. People don't wake up one day and decide they want to change genders; there's a build up of discomfort that leads them to it. Some people never feel uncomfortable enough to even seek any sort of help, and some feel it to the point of considering suicide. It remains that the best treatment for it in many cases is transitioning to the other gender.

 

[Spungo]

You can get away with believing anything as long as God told you so.

It only counts as schizophrenia if your hallucinations are unpopular.

about being intersexed

I'll never understand this. If I felt like I was actually a man, I would get on strong antidepressants until I didn't care anymore. I was on Prozac for other reasons and it was very effective for making me not care about things.
Maybe our politicians should be on Prozac so they stop caring about dumb crap that doesn't matter. They spend too much time thinking about women with penises and not enough time thinking about how endless wars affect the budget.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

I'll never understand this. If I felt like I was actually a man, I would get on strong antidepressants until I didn't care anymore. I was on Prozac for other reasons and it was very effective for making me not care about things.
Maybe our politicians should be on Prozac so they stop caring about dumb crap that doesn't matter. They spend too much time thinking about women with penises and not enough time thinking about how endless wars affect the budget.

The problem with intersex is they were physically born with traits of both and frequently mutilated at birth to fit one gender that might not be the one their personality jives with. I can't speak directly about it, but I imagine that's much harder to come to terms with anti-depressants or not. I can tell you antidepressants only do so much when you have legitimate reasons to always be depressed.

 

[IronWing]

I wonder when it was exactly that Arizona decided to become the state that passed all the really embarrassing laws.

The main job of the Governor of Arizona, regardless of party affiliation, is to veto the batshit crazy bills passed by the batshit crazy state legislature. The system worked pretty well until Jan Brewer got the job of Governor. She is one of the batshit crazies from the legislature. The legislature never got the news that with no sane Governor to save them from themselves they would have to rein in their natural inclinations toward being total nutjobs.

 

[Spungo]

The problem with intersex is they were physically born with traits of both and frequently mutilated at birth to fit one gender that might not be the one their personality jives with. I can't speak directly about it, but I imagine that's much harder to come to terms with anti-depressants or not. I can tell you antidepressants only do so much when you have legitimate reasons to always be depressed.

I have some idea of what you're talking about but it's a bit different. I'm a girl on a tech forum so you can probably guess that I'm not good with people. I don't have that part of the brain that lets people get along for no reason. I can't do small talk. Dating men is extremely frustrating because so many of them are idiots and they have nothing interesting to say. How can they expect me to sleep with them when I don't respect them? I don't want to hear about your stupid truck or how many goals you scored when playing sports. I'll show you some tits if you show me some brain. I can't just "go gay" because I'm not attracted to women.

There's no surgery available to make me like idiots so I'm stuck with antidepressant medications. It's not strong enough to make me like dumb people but it does stop me from hating them.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

The objective is to make trans women easier to rape. Imagine you are in the mens bathroom and this cute little thing walks in:

It's about to get all rapy up in here

"Trans-women" are men and will always be men. Sorry to burst your bubble.

 

[Wreckem]

"Trans-women" are men and will always be men. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Under the law of all but three states, after SRS/GRS you can get a court order to change the gender on your birth certificate. Some states, it only effects certain legal rights, ie: in some states you can get your gender changed on your birth certificate, but for purposes ofsay marriage the sex used is what you are born with, but for everything else the law sees them as their reassigned gender..

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Under the law of all but three states, after SRS you can get a court order to change the gender on your birth certificate. Some states, it only effects certain legal rights(ie: in some states you can get your gender changed on your birth certificate, but for purposes ofsay marriage the sex used is what you are born with).

Genetically they are men and will always be men.

I have no issue with this group of people wanting to have "sex-change" operations, take hormones, etc to live out a desire to be female but the scientific genetic reality is they were born male despite the internal physiological and neurological need for them to want to be female. They will always have XY chromosomes.

They are not women and labeling them as such in fact distorts the real differences among the men and women to cater to a group of the population that is less than 1 percent (about .3% according to a study I read in the past).


Edit: Does that mean I'm against them being married or being allowed to access government or work place financial benefits? No, however that doesn't mean I'll ignore the actual genetic and physical differences (even though they have been surgically altered or removed) between them being pseudo-female/make, etc vs real women/men.

 

[fskimospy]

Genetically they are men and will always be men.

I have no issue with this group of people wanting to sex-change operations, take hormones, etc to live out a desire to be female but the scientific genetic reality is they were born male despite the internal physiological and neurological need for them to want to be female. They are not women and labeling them as such in fact distorts the real differences among the men and women to cater to a group of the population that is less than 1 percent (about .3% according to a study I read in the past).

Basically nothing you wrote here is right.

People are generally identified by two different aspects: sex and gender, with sex being primarily defined as the type of reproductive anatomy someone has and gender being their sexual identity, taking into account socialization and culture. There is no practical or rational reason to classify people's restroom of choice based on the shape of their chromosomes, nor would it better serve society to continue to classify people as one sex/gender who both self identify as the opposite sex and who present externally in a way that others do the same. The primary sex attributes of someone are most certainly alterable through various medical procedures and gender is self expressed anyway.

This is just reactionary silliness attempting to enforce a distinction for its own sake.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Basically nothing you wrote here is right.

People are generally identified by two different aspects: sex and gender, with sex being primarily defined as the type of reproductive anatomy someone has and gender being their sexual identity, taking into account socialization and culture. There is no practical or rational reason to classify people's restroom of choice based on the shape of their chromosomes, nor would it better serve society to continue to classify people as one sex/gender who both self identify as the opposite sex and who present externally in a way that others do the same. The primary sex attributes of someone are most certainly alterable through various medical procedures and gender is self expressed anyway.

This is just reactionary silliness attempting to enforce a distinction for its own sake.

Nothing I wrote makes sense to you because it seems you have firmly entrenched yourself into the belief that blurring the distinction between men and women is not an issue in society when it in fact very much is a issue to both men and women.

Men and women are distinctly different and that difference is seen in every society across the globe so that men and women are set apart in different roles based on their actual gender and to ignore the reality in those actual real differences.

 

[fskimospy]

Nothing I wrote makes sense to you because it seems you have firmly entrenched yourself into the belief that blurring the distinction between men and women is not an issue in society when it in fact very much is a issue to both men and women.

Men and women are distinctly different and that difference is seen in every society across the globe so that men and women are set apart in different roles based on their actual gender and to ignore the reality in those actual real differences.

So you basically have no argument other than a vague appeal to tradition. Gotcha.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

So you basically have no argument other than a vague appeal to tradition. Gotcha.

Appeal to tradition? More like an appeal to biological and societal facts between differences in sexes which are very much real and have been and should be observed because they exist in many forms throughout human existence through time and memorial.

But hey, keep on trucking.