Ayatollah Khamenei Derides Republicans’ Letter on Iran Nuclear Talks

[werepossum]

Obama's not changing any agreement, he's making a new one. (it would also be a binding agreement under international law) Additionally, the US would have no power to void this agreement as it is a 7 party agreement. We could void our participation, but the rest would remain in effect.

Pretty sure that France, Germany, etc know that the US doesn't just back out of agreements like this, which is precisely why they and Iran are bothering with it at all. It would be a pretty serious step. He correctly pointed out that it would definitely severely hamper our ability to negotiate agreements going forward.

lol So the Pubbies won't change this agreement, they'll only make a new one.

 

[Mxylplyx]

lol So the Pubbies won't change this agreement, they'll only make a new one.

If they got all other parties to agree to amend the previous one that would be fine.

And who the fuck are the pubbies?

 

[werepossum]

If they got all other parties to agree to amend the previous one that would be fine.

And who the fuck are the pubbies?

Republicans.

Why would they need to get "all other parties to agree to amend the previous one"? Obama certainly doesn't have the Republicans on board. Nor were the other nations part of our original sanctions. Why then would they need to be part of any new agreement?

This is just like Obamacare, the far left insisting that anything it does must be eternal.

 

[chucky2]

I merely point out that "They're just as Bad!" is not a valid defense, other than in Glenbeckistan.

Your Dem party is dare I say worse than the Rep's, so no, I wouldn't say actually they're just as bad. I'd rather have my acknowledged worse enemy out in front of me than my backstabbing "friend" having my back any day.

 

[DCal430]

Most legal experts agree, the agreement is nonbinding
Obama doesn't have authority to enter into binding agreements. Even Obama has said it isn't a binding agreement.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Republicans.

Why would they need to get "all other parties to agree to amend the previous one"? Obama certainly doesn't have the Republicans on board. Nor were the other nations part of our original sanctions. Why then would they need to be part of any new agreement?

This is just like Obamacare, the far left insisting that anything it does must be eternal.

Let's try to expand your limited worldview a bit. Republicans are not a party to these negotiations. The United States government is, along with 5 other NATIONS. The executive branch negotiates on our behalf.

 

[Jhhnn]

WTF you need yo get a clue, every country knows the president of the U.S has no authority to enter into any binding agreement. That authority is vested with the Senate not the president. The constitution is clear the president can't enter into binding treaties.

Quite true. OTOH, sanctions will be against American interests if the ROTW doesn't follow them. When the Security Council says "Good Enough!", it's good enough for all of them. The Senate can't override that vote.

Repubs can twist in the wind when that happens, right at the end of their own rope. That's because their backers in the business community will tell them to STFU so that money can be made.

 

[HomerJS]

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/iran-letter-germany-frank-walter-steinmeier-116017.html


Why senior Republicans would sign a letter written by a freshman tea party idiot, to undermine the US, it's incomprehensible.

Because Republicans think a guy shooting a gun in a foreign war is capable of executing foreign policy.

 

[sandorski]

One of the root problems here is the American overestimation of their importance in the World. It still is the dominant power, however, since Bush Jr it has been wasting and undermining its' power with repeated hair brained activities.

Obama has tried and somewhat succeeded in restoring some respect for the US on the World stage. However, these Republicans keep reminding everyone that there's an element in the US that are like drunken Frat Boys that would rape your dog if they thought they could get away with it.

Expect more foreign influence on the US Internal Politics until either the Republicans get their senses back or the US becomes irrelevant on the World Stage.

 

[Jhhnn]

Your Dem party is dare I say worse than the Rep's, so no, I wouldn't say actually they're just as bad. I'd rather have my acknowledged worse enemy out in front of me than my backstabbing "friend" having my back any day.

And the double down, of course.

 

[senseamp]

Europe wants to normalize relations with Iran to diversify away from Russian gas.
If this deal falls through because of Republican dysfunction in Washington, Europe will get a perfect excuse to strike its own deal with Iran, and the sanctions regime will collapse with much fewer concessions from Tehran.

 

[Jhhnn]

Europe wants to normalize relations with Iran to diversify away from Russian gas.
If this deal falls through because of Republican dysfunction in Washington, Europe will get a perfect excuse to strike its own deal with Iran, and the sanctions regime will collapse with much fewer concessions from Tehran.

Winner!

The reason that the US is the point man with Iran is that our allies are confident we won't sell them out. We want more from Tehran than they do.

 

[blankslate]

..so no Republican Senators could send him a letter about it first. #47Traitors

The best tweet ever about the letter.

Unfortunately given the disregard for the Office of the Presidency they have shown recently because of the contempt they apparently hold for the person elected to that office I don't know if that is entirely a joke...


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[moonbogg]

They want to increase their chances of getting into office, at any cost it would seem.

 

[werepossum]

Because Republicans think a guy shooting a gun in a foreign war is capable of executing foreign policy.

When Democrats know what's really required is a community organizer.

 

[fskimospy]

lol So the Pubbies won't change this agreement, they'll only make a new one.

No, probably not. Like I said, it's subject to a lot of external controls and participation by other countries.

It's amusing that the people writing the letter to 'educate' Iran about our system seemed to be so clueless as to how these things actually work. Then again the guy has only spent a few months in the Senate so it's possible he simply didn't know any better.

 

[werepossum]

No, probably not. Like I said, it's subject to a lot of external controls and participation by other countries.

It's amusing that the people writing the letter to 'educate' Iran about our system seemed to be so clueless as to how these things actually work. Then again the guy has only spent a few months in the Senate so it's possible he simply didn't know any better.

lol If only other people could be as smart as you. Perhaps you can petition Obama to bring back the post of general expert.

 

[trenchfoot]

I want to see McConnell himself try to explain why they thought that letter was a hell of a good idea.

I really do. It would be like a little kid trying to explain to their pissed off daddy why he/she thought it was a good idea to hose down the inside of daddy's new Lambo because the family's pet dog took a healthy dump on the driver's seat.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Lol!...John McCain apparently had no idea what he signed. He was to busy trying to get out of town before the snow fell.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/republicans-surprised-by-iran-letter-blowback-116003.html

Also, people! it was all a joke. A lighthearted and "cheeky" letter. You just have no sense of humor..lol

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...s-admit-that-iran-letter-was-a-dumb-idea.html#

Republican aides were taken aback by the response to what what they thought was a lighthearted attempt to signal to Iran and the public that Congress should have a role in the ongoing nuclear discussions. Two GOP aides separately described their letter as a “cheeky” reminder of the congressional branch’s prerogatives.

“The administration has no sense of humor when it comes to how weakly they have been handling these negotiations,” said a top GOP Senate aide.

What a bunch of clowns...

 

[VRAMdemon]

What the hell is a "proggie". Is that a nickname for a customer of the car insurance company, or someone who eats alot of Proggresso soup or some shit.

 

[fskimospy]

lol If only other people could be as smart as you. Perhaps you can petition Obama to bring back the post of general expert.

I didn't say that I was smarter than him, I just noted that since the letter was written a number of embarrassing errors in it have been pointed out. That's pretty funny considering it was written as an attempt to 'educate' Iran.

You need to look past the magic R.

 

[fskimospy]

What the hell is a "proggie". Is that a nickname for a customer of the car insurance company, or someone who eats alot of Proggresso soup or some shit.

It's like a comment flag in programming. Whenever you see Werepossum use it in a sentence you can basically guarantee the text following it will be stupid or looney-bin crazy.

 

[trenchfoot]

Well, I guess if you can't have the executive and the powers that go with it, then you can try awfully, yes, awfully (not lawfully) hard to take control of it by making yourselves look like complete imbeciles.

I mean, that IS what the Repubs have repeatedly been doing lately and quite successfully so, isn't it?

 

[cubby1223]

Europe wants to normalize relations with Iran to diversify away from Russian gas.
If this deal falls through because of Republican dysfunction in Washington, Europe will get a perfect excuse to strike its own deal with Iran, and the sanctions regime will collapse with much fewer concessions from Tehran.

With Dr. Strangelove airing the other day I'm reminded of the quote
"Of course, the whole point of a Doomsday Machine is lost, if you *keep* it a *secret*! Why didn't you tell the world, EH?"


I also think you're very much misunderstanding the situation by saying "the sanctions regime". It's not about punishing Iran for the sake of building up their own ego. The whole goal is to prevent the creation of nuclear weapon tech. And any and every deal that fails on that goal is bad. So, what is this deal, what are Iran's intentions (both publicly and privately), and what will the future hold?

I personally don't know what the best approach is, I just know that if the choice is between higher European gas prices and Iranian nuclear weaponry, higher gas prices is the better deal.

 

[blankslate]

https://soundcloud.com/rockymountainmike/the-letter

comedy song about the letter parody of The Box Tops - The Letter (aka "Gimme a ticket for an aeroplane" song)

Let me put down my paper airplanes,
I got time to catch the crazy train

Talks are going on
Ima gonna moan.

Ima baby, write them a letter.

I don't care how many people I offend...
'Got to pee in Obama's pool again.

He's talking with Iran
Trying to stop the bomb

Ima baby, write them a letter.

Yeah we won't them a letter,
said you wouldn't deal with Obama no more.

Listen mister can't you see
I got to get back to the 8th grade once more.

Anyway yeeah-uh, gimme a ticket to the crazy train.
A black president. It makes us insane.

Talks are goin on
Ima gonna moan...

Ima baby, write them a letter...

imo the line about pissing in Obama's pool again pretty much sums up the state of mind of many Republicans these days....


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