AXP Mobile or A64 Mobile or A64 for overclocking?

iamtrout

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I'm looking to upgrading my current 2000+ but I'm not sure what to do.

I currently have a watercooling setup, so whatever processor comes my way I will be sure to overclock the hell out of it, but I've heard people saying that the A64's, mobile and desktop, both have a 2.5GHz overclock ceiling for air cooling, but I haven't heard anything yet for water cooling.

Which processor would perform better, assuming a good overclock is accomplished and I can find a compatible motherboard, an AXP Mobile, an A64 Mobile, or a regular A64?

I can NOT afford anything like a $700 A64. Under $200 is more my color.

Thanks in advance. :)
 

Avalon

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I'm not even sure if A64 mobiles are as great of OC'ers compared to their desktop counterparts like the AXP-Ms were compared to their desktop counterparts. Most people with 3000/3200+ CG A64 desktop chips seem to have no problem hitting 2.4ghz when overclocking, on these forums anyway. The mobiles seem to cost more than the desktop counterparts anyway, and don't offer much more than lower voltage. Some motherboards have problems running the mobile chips. I know Epox boards don't run any of them. You might as well just get an A64 3000+ CG newcastle, and try to hit the 2.4ghz mark. It'd only set you back $160. The lower voltage mobile equivalent to the 3000+ comes at lower clock speeds stock, so the lower voltage only seems to compensate for that. Plus it's $200+.

Oh, in conclusion, you'll want an A64 rig, if you couldn't tell from what I've babbled about already :)
 

iamtrout

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I'm sure this question is the product of the crazy naming conventions now, but a 2.4GHz mark in the 3000+ would be equal to what "####+"? I'm also trying to figure out how fast, say, a 3000+ XP-M would be compared to a A64.

I wish they had performance equivalence charts.
 

Avalon

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A 3000+ XP-M is not worth the money. It has the same ceiling as the 45w XP-M 2600+ and 35w XP-M 2400+, and it's a good deal more expensive. A 2.4ghz newcastle with 512kb of L2 cache would be equivalent to a 3400+.
 

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if avalon is referring to a "ceiling" as being the highest overclock achievable then i'd say on air it'd be around 2.6 but for most people 2.4 to 2.5 ghz
 

Avalon

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Originally posted by: Shimmishim
if avalon is referring to a "ceiling" as being the highest overclock achievable then i'd say on air it'd be around 2.6 but for most people 2.4 to 2.5 ghz

Yep, thanks for beating me to it Shim :)
The ceiling for these chips on air cooling is typically about 2.6ghz
If you're using something more exotic, expect to approach just below the 3.0ghz mark with them, if you've got a good chip that is.
 

Shimmishim

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Originally posted by: Avalon
Originally posted by: Shimmishim
if avalon is referring to a "ceiling" as being the highest overclock achievable then i'd say on air it'd be around 2.6 but for most people 2.4 to 2.5 ghz

Yep, thanks for beating me to it Shim :)
The ceiling for these chips on air cooling is typically about 2.6ghz
If you're using something more exotic, expect to approach just below the 3.0ghz mark with them, if you've got a good chip that is.

i got a good chip!!! :)

3 ghz chip :)

unfortunately, no board at the moment.

but i will have one very soon :)
 

iamtrout

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Is there any way of increasing your chances of getting a good overclocking chip? Any reseller that just tends to stock better chips than the rest? I remember back in the day is was completely a hit or miss thing.
 

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well, an overclocked athlon 64 will beat any xp mobile you can throw at it. an xp @ 2.5GHz is only about as fast as an athlon 64 3200+. now if you could overclock the athlon 64 to 3500-3700+ speeds, then i guess its worth it. and no, there is no way of getting a better overclocking chip, since no retailers want you to overclock. they lose money everytime a person overclocks when people could just get a cpu just as fast at stock speed for much more mula. today, it is still completely a hit or a miss thing.
 

iamtrout

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Ok, A64 it is. While we're in that price range, what about the 2.8C? Or does the Athlon completely rock the Intel?
 

Mik3y

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the 2.8C can oc to about 3.5-3.6 on air. the athlon 64 should be able to do about the same comparably as long as you get a good motherboard wtih pci/agp lock.
 

iamtrout

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I've heard of both chips being able to hit a bit below 4GHz on watercooling. You guys think that Intel would have an easier time getting to that point? But I guess that MHz for MHz, A64 is still better than the Pentium, right, something like an A64 3000+ overclocked to 3700+ speeds should be able to beat a 2.8C OC'ed to 3.8GHz-3.9GHz?
 

Avalon

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I'm not sure how a "3700+" would fare against a 3.8ghz p4. I'd have to lean towards saying that the 3700+ would still perform slightly better, probably only noticeably in games. If you're looking to game, get the A64. If you're not, either chip will suit you fine. I'd think you would have quite a hard time getting to 3.8ghz though. Some people have a hard time breaking 3.4 :)
 

Shimmishim

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3700+ would be 2.4 ghz

i'd have to say that in gaming, a 2.4 ghz A64 system would still beat out a 3.8 ghz p4 system at least in framerate...

as for encoding and multitasking, a 3.8 ghz p4 would dominate a "3700+"


as for watercooling and hitting the 4 ghz mark...

that's iffy... it all depends on what chip you get and how much voltage you use...