Aww crap...I got some Arctic Silver 3 on the CPU around the core...will it cause damage?

MaxDSP

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I was putting the AS3 on the die of an XP 1600+ and I got some of it on the side. I tried to take it out but it didnt work.

In this picture, the places where the AS3 got was on the bottom and on the left side of the core. The as3 did not mae contact with any of the golden dots and lines. It was only on the tan part (green in my case).


will this cause problems?
 

Nocturnal

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no, just wipe it off with some dish detergent. and yes, you can put your chip in a dishwasher if you wish. ive done this on occassion. use dish washing detergent and just wipe it down or rise it off after youre done. but make sure you dry the chip off completely before inserting it back into the motherboard. you could try rubbing alcohol also.
 

MaxDSP

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but i mean will it cause damage if i leave it as it is? It was a bitch tp get the HSF and everything on there. I dont wanna risk cracking the core if I attempt it again

:eek:
 

Bleep

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I dont think it will be any problem at all. I have worked on machines that the whole top of the CPU was covered with the stuff and it did cause any problems
It is not conductive enough to do anything.

Bleep
 

fluxquantum

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you should be fine. i got some on the side of my p4 and everything seems fine. no worries.:)
 

Dulanic

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I hope noc was being sarcastic, hard to tell. There is going to be some AS on the sides of the core once you put on the heatsink anyways, once you put the HS on itll squeeze out a little AS3 to the sides anyways. That tiny bit wont cause any problems its only on the side of the core and thats not a problem at all.
 

MaxDSP

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Ony reason I asked was because of some stories I read on the boar a while ago that said that since there is silver in the compound, it is a bit conductive.
 

Dulanic

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Originally posted by: MaxDSP
Ony reason I asked was because of some stories I read on the boar a while ago that said that since there is silver in the compound, it is a bit conductive.

You wouldnt want it surronding electronic components, or on the bridges, but around the core is no problem at all.
 

Boobers

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Even though the maker claims that it is non-conductive, it is capacitive in nature and can cause problems if it comes in contact with the bridges. But I don't want to argue with anyone about that. What I did want to do is pass along a great tip that will really help you out.

To get the silver off, simply use a pencil eraser and "erase" it. It works great. Try it yourself and you'll see what I mean.

While putting your chip in a dish washer MAY work, I would not advise it. EVER.
 

smp

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Originally posted by: Boobers
Even though the maker claims that it is non-conductive, it is capacitive in nature and can cause problems if it comes in contact with the bridges. But I don't want to argue with anyone about that. What I did want to do is pass along a great tip that will really help you out. To get the silver off, simply use a pencil eraser and "erase" it. It works great. Try it yourself and you'll see what I mean. While putting your chip in a dish washer MAY work, I would not advise it. EVER.

Putting CPU's in dishwashers is okay.
They carry no charge, you can't short it out or anything like that if you put it in a dishwasher .. physical damage maybe, but not if you know what you're doing.
You can put keyboards and mice in dishwashers too .. it's time for my keyboard to go in actually.
 

Ilmater

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OK, I have a friend that didn't know how to apply thermal paste, and he covered the entire proc, wafer and all. I didn't know until he took it out to get a better proc two years later. True, it wasn't AS3, but there shouldn't be any problems. In the future, apply the AS3 to the heatsink base first. Then take a credit card and apply a PAPER-THIN layer of AS3 to the proc core. Use the credit card to take the AS3 from the heatsink to the core and there will be absolutely NO problems with spillage. Take your time a little and it is ridiculously easy. Take what little is left on your heatsink and spread it over the base of the heatsink with your finger enclosed in a zip-lock bag or saran wrap. You shouldn't even have a layer at all on the heatsink, it will just look like the base is discolored. The small amount on the proc will make for all the heat transfer you need.

Now, for the real reason I'm posting, can you really put your keyboard in the dishwasher? Now, agreeably, if something went wrong, I could just replace it for like $20, but I didn't plan on having to replace that for quite some time. Will this seriously work? I would do it every couple of months or so. How nice would that be!!
 

dszd0g

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I would not advise putting a processor in a dishwasher. I can think of a few reasons not to do it:
1) Static
2) Rust (inside or out)
3) Heat from the dishwasher (Processors are designed for heat, so I'm not sure on this one)
4) Some soaps could contain chemicals that damage the processor.
5) Hard water deposits
6) Other deposits or the soap creating a bridge

Did you check Artic Silver's Instructions?

Arctic Silver thermal compound can easily be removed from hardware using the proper cleaners and tools. For general clean-up, a cloth or paper towel will work well. Intricate cleaning can be accomplished with Q-tip swabs. An old toothbrush can often get the compound out of crevices that other tools cannot reach.

The recommended cleaners are:

CPU Core:

Use isopropyl alcohol or acetone (nail polish remover) and a bit of careful rubbing.
(If you use acetone, do a final cleaning with isopropyl alcohol.)


Heatsink:

Use xylene based products (Goof Off, some carburetor cleaners and many brake cleaners.) or mineral spirits.

Remember:

Once you have applied a thermal grease or melted a thermal pad onto a heatsink, it is impossible to remove all of the grease or pad from the microscopic valleys in the heatsink using standard cleaning chemicals and paper or fabric towels. Any subsequent thermal material will be applied over the remnants of the original material.

Never use any oil or petroleum based cleaners (WD-40, citrus based grease removers and many automotive degreasers) on the base of a heatsink. The oil, which is engineered to not evaporate, will fill in the microscopic valleys in the metal and significantly reduce the effectiveness of any subsequently applied thermal compound.

CPU Ceramic:

Use any of the following cleaners.

Any dish detergent (Dawn, Lux, Palmolive, Etc.)
Do not use soap for an automatic dishwasher to clean a CPU.

WD-40, citrus based grease removers (Goo Gone, Etc.)

Xylene based products (Goof Off, some carburetor cleaners and many brake cleaners)

Mineral spirits. (Be careful to keep the mineral spirits away from the core.)

Once the majority of the compound has been removed from the ceramic, small patches remaining on the ceramic can be 'erased' with a soft eraser.

As far as keyboards and dishwashers go. There are a number of keyboards that will survive going through a dishwasher without soap. The good quality IBM keyboards are a good example (however on those, if it is just the keys take those off). A lot of people I know have done this. They have started having some of the newer cheap keyboards die from this, "Oh well, it was time to replace it anyways." If you are going to buy a new keyboard anyways, it doesn't hurt to give it a try. Basically, it comes down to the issue of whether the board inside the keyboard will survive it. If you have a fancy keyboard with all that extra stuff on it, the chances of it surviving are much less. Some people take the safer approach of opening up the keyboard, taking out the board, and then running it through the dishwasher. I haven't heard of that hurting any keyboards.

If it is only your keys that are dirty and you have a keyboard where the keys are easy to take on and off, you can just take the keys off and put them in a bowl with hand dish soap.

Those same points I made on the processor could be made about a keyboard too, but a CPU is a lot more sensitive of a part.

As far as the Artic Silver conductivity issue. The first Artic Silver was highly conductive, but they solved that issue. However, one would still not to have it touching
the bridges or traces.

Negligible electrical conductivity.
Arctic Silver 3 was formulated to conduct heat, not electricity. It is only electrically conductive in a thin layer under extreme compression.
(While much safer than electrically conductive silver and copper greases, Arctic Silver 3 should be kept away from electrical traces, pins, and leads. The compound is slightly capacitive and could potentially cause problems if it bridged two close-proximity electrical paths.)
 

MaxDSP

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yeesh, I never even thought of putting my PC stuff through the things you guys are talking about. I probably shouldnt be too worried about a lil extra compound on the ceramic in this case then :D


Thanks for the assistance
 

wizdum

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weeeeee that is some fun knowledge. i want to put my keyboard in the dishwasher now. :]
 

alkemyst

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Some writers used to bring their IBM clickity-click keyboards into the shower with them.

 

dszd0g

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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Some writers used to bring their IBM clickity-click keyboards into the shower with them.

I love my IBM clickity-click keyboard :) (P/N 42H1292) The thing is definitely solid. I wouldn't want it on my lap though. They used to make a really light clickity-click keyboard that had an RJ11 style phone cord connector with like a 50 foot cord, that was da bomb before wireless keyboards came out :cool: