Average cost per pupil in NJ is $19k.

[Mai72]

http://www.nj.com/education/2014/05/average_nj_per_pupil_spending_almost_19k_new_report_finds.html

I know education is important but do we need to spend 19k per pupil? Our cost are ridiculous, and it's only going to get worse. In 5 years are we going to spend $25k per pupil? Enough is enough.

We are routinely taxed to death in NJ. I bought an app on the Android market the other day and I was taxed!

 

[Mai72]

:|

 

[Fenixgoon]

until people realize that education starts in the home, the cost per pupil will continue to rise

 

[Jaskalas]

Average cost per pupil in NJ is $19k.

$19k a year? Heck, just hand me the money.

Pop out 3 kids for nearly $60k a year. Then give them a computer and tell them to go play on google.

 

[Incorruptible]

Of course leftist idiots are going to say spend more money but you can't just keep throwing money at the problem.

If you really want to resolve this then allow more charter schools and private schools but the left doesn't want that because of the teachers unions.

 

[Genx87]

Think of the children!

 

[MongGrel]

I have no kids, and the cost in my taxes to pay for some of the ones I see enter the workplace and be complete morons kinda ticks me off a bit.

All I have to say.

I won't be alive to see the future anyway, but seems like reverse evolution more or less.

 

[Jaskalas]

How much wealthier would the average family be with that $19k a year? That's per child. Average of 3 children, $57,000. How much better would their home life be, how much better could their home schooling be?

Humanity has the internet. All the combined knowledge of our entire species freely available for education purposes. Schools are obsolete. Perhaps it's time to seize the initiative and make that potential a reality.

 

[Zaap]

The documentary "The Cartel" is a real eye-opener explaining the fucked up situation in NJ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcVg9YM_SCg

As always, I dare the statists to watch it.

The whole rotten system in NJ is big government personified, so OF COURSE statists defend it tooth and nail, and attack the messenger for making a documentary about it, but can never counter any of the facts raised- all the usual.

 

[Victorian Gray]

"The annual "Taxpayer’s Guide to Education Spending" showed wealthy Avalon Borough in Cape May County at the top of the list of districts and charter schools, spending $43,775 a student. The lowest district, Rockaway Borough, spent $12,587."

 

[fskimospy]

How much wealthier would the average family be with that $19k a year? That's per child. Average of 3 children, $57,000. How much better would their home life be, how much better could their home schooling be?

Humanity has the internet. All the combined knowledge of our entire species freely available for education purposes. Schools are obsolete. Perhaps it's time to seize the initiative and make that potential a reality.

The idea that we can replace schools with the internet is frankly preposterous.

 

[nehalem256]

Think of the children!

Interesting that the number of employees has increased so much

But then Im guessing they didn't have crap employees like "diversity coordinators" back in the 1970s...

As an example:
https://www.psdschools.org/school-resources/student-services/equity-and-diversity

 

[brycejones]

Think of the children!

Is that inflation adjusted?

 

[fskimospy]

Think of the children!

The cato institute lies
http://shermandorn.com/wordpress/?p=4675

Don't be fooled by dishonest people.

 

[Mai72]

How much wealthier would the average family be with that $19k a year? That's per child. Average of 3 children, $57,000. How much better would their home life be, how much better could their home schooling be?

Humanity has the internet. All the combined knowledge of our entire species freely available for education purposes. Schools are obsolete. Perhaps it's time to seize the initiative and make that potential a reality.

Lol,

Unions would never allow that to happen. It would have to be law, and I don't see politicians doing it anytime soon.

 

[Mai72]

"The annual "Taxpayer’s Guide to Education Spending" showed wealthy Avalon Borough in Cape May County at the top of the list of districts and charter schools, spending $43,775 a student. The lowest district, Rockaway Borough, spent $12,587."

I live near Avalon. It's a very wealthy district. Multimillion dollar summer houses. The school population is very small. Graduating 6th grade class was 40 less than 20 students last year.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

The cato institute lies
http://shermandorn.com/wordpress/?p=4675

Don't be fooled by dishonest people.

See his other excellent post:

http://shermandorn.com/wordpress/?p=4730

Unfortunately, institutions like the Cato institute often boil an argument down to cost and efficiency, ignoring everything else (which is a ton of stuff).

 

[the DRIZZLE]

The cato institute lies
http://shermandorn.com/wordpress/?p=4675

Don't be fooled by dishonest people.

Don't be fooled by some idiot's blog. I downloaded the cost per pupil data and was able to exactly recreate the cost per pupil line exactly as it appears on the chart presented.

The blog author incorrectly assumes that the cost per pupil is generated by multiplying the cost per pupil in the year of graduation by 13. However, that is incorrect and not the way that any intelligent person would do it. The correct approach is to add the cost in the current year and in the prior 12 years on a rolling basis.

I can send you the excel file if you don't believe me. I'm not going to address test score argument, but the bottom line is that costs per pupil have more than tripled after adjusting for inflation since 1970.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Interesting that the number of employees has increased so much

But then Im guessing they didn't have crap employees like "diversity coordinators" back in the 1970s...

As an example:
https://www.psdschools.org/school-resources/student-services/equity-and-diversity

Maybe they should have.

http://clevelandhistorical.org/items/show/392

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_busing_crisis

 

[waggy]

It's not how much money we pay per student. its how we teach those students.

the country keeps looking for a easy way to teach students.they try these things out and then are shocked when it does not work. so they try another easy way..etc etc.

now 30 years of trying to to find a easy way to teach kids the scores across the board have dropped.

 

[IronWing]

Of course leftist idiots are going to say spend more money but you can't just keep throwing money at the problem.

If you really want to resolve this then allow more charter schools and private schools but the left doesn't want that because of the teachers unions.

How will this solve the problem? Arizona charter schools get $1300/pupil more than the public schools and the charter school students still do worse on standardized tests.

 

[waggy]

How will this solve the problem? Arizona charter schools get $1300/pupil more than the public schools and the charter school students still do worse on standardized tests.

standardized test aren't the end all either. I think they are doing far more harm then good.

as it is with so much riding on the test schools teach HOW to take the test. Not what the test covers.

there have also been reports that some schools will stick to only exactly what the test covers and not everything the child should be taught.

 

[IronWing]

standardized test aren't the end all either. I think they are doing far more harm then good.

as it is with so much riding on the test schools teach HOW to take the test. Not what the test covers.

there have also been reports that some schools will stick to only exactly what the test covers and not everything the child should be taught.

I agree with all you've written. The Arizona legislature however doesn't and penalizes public schools based on those tests.

 

[mizzou]

Think of the children!

schools are a little topheavy nowadays, but think of all the logistic problems they have. Federal government has their fist up the ass of every state educational institution. Even parents, want to litigate the paint off the walls off a moments notice.

Kids have 1,000,000 new medical conditions that need specific medical, psychological, and emotional attention.

And we also just don't teach with books....schools have their own web domains and offer multitudes of electronic learning experiences.


So yeah....teaching is getting a bit more complicated.


Too bad kids are still the same dumb kids

 

[spacejamz]

If the school systems cannot figure out the connection between no more/less required PE classes and more obese students, no amount of money will fix things...