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Desslok

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I am looking to get my first decent reciever and I came across this. Is this a decent deal?

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CFster

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Well, its a Kenwood and it's refurbished.

What more really needs to be said...
 
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Desslok

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Originally posted by: CFster
Well, its a Kenwood and it's refurbished. What more really needs to be said...
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Do you have any data to back up your claim?
 
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Desslok

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Originally posted by: GoodDad
how about telling us what all you want your receiver to do?
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Good point. Sorry about that.

I have a an open den. 20 feet or so long and it open up onto the kitchen area so call it 20 feet or so in width. The ceiling angles up starting at 7 feet and goes up to about 15 feet.

95% DVD's/Consoles/regular tv and 5% CD's in a changer.
 
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Originally posted by: Desslok
Originally posted by: GoodDad
how about telling us what all you want your receiver to do?
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Good point. Sorry about that.

I have a an open den. 20 feet or so long and it open up onto the kitchen area so call it 20 feet or so in width. The ceiling angles up starting at 7 feet and goes up to about 15 feet.

95% DVD's/Consoles/regular tv and 5% CD's in a changer.
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no need to get that much of a receiver then. Look at the onkyo txsr601. It can be had for very cheap (I think Ecost sells the refurbs even.) It has dual room capabilities to handle your kitchen and den. Plenty of inputs for cd/dvd/satelite. It doesnt sound like you have a huge area to fill, it should give you plenty of power. It also has prologic 2, which will give you 5 channel surround off an analog source like satelite/cable/vcr.

A/V is like cars, you can always get better. The question is how much you are looking to spend.

EDIT: $304 shipped
 
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Desslok

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Originally posted by: GoodDad
Originally posted by: Desslok
Originally posted by: GoodDad how about telling us what all you want your receiver to do?
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Good point. Sorry about that. I have a an open den. 20 feet or so long and it open up onto the kitchen area so call it 20 feet or so in width. The ceiling angles up starting at 7 feet and goes up to about 15 feet. 95% DVD's/Consoles/regular tv and 5% CD's in a changer.
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no need to get that much of a receiver then. Look at the onkyo txsr601. It can be had for very cheap (I think Ecost sells the refurbs even.) It has dual room capabilities to handle your kitchen and den. Plenty of inputs for cd/dvd/satelite. It doesnt sound like you have a huge area to fill, it should give you plenty of power. It also has prologic 2, which will give you 5 channel surround off an analog source like satelite/cable/vcr. A/V is like cars, you can always get better. The question is how much you are looking to spend. EDIT: $304 shipped
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Thank you GoodDad..

No, this is my first house so I started off small.
 
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DaveSimmons

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How expensive are your speakers?

If you've spent less than about $800 on speakers I'd say you'd be fine with the $300 Pioneer VSX-D914K deal at www.GottaDeal.com, though the Denon I recommended has several more s-video inputs than the Pioneer if you need more than 3 in pack / 1 in front. The Denon would be excellent for speakers costing up to several thousand.
 
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Desslok

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Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
How expensive are your speakers? If you've spent less than about $800 on speakers I'd say you'd be fine with the $300 Pioneer VSX-D914K deal at www.GottaDeal.com, though the Denon I recommended has several more s-video inputs than the Pioneer if you need more than 3 in pack / 1 in front. The Denon would be excellent for speakers costing up to several thousand.
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Still looking at speakers. The whole system I want to be under 1k.(ie reciever, speakers, sub)
 
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DaveSimmons

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^ and actually the Pioneer or Onkyo should sound very good even with more expensive speakers, my point was more that with midrange or lower speakers it's probably not worth an expensive receiver.

Given the choice I'd rather have excellent speakers plus a budget amp over the reverse, since the speakers are more cirtical to creating good sound.
 
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Originally posted by: Desslok
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
How expensive are your speakers? If you've spent less than about $800 on speakers I'd say you'd be fine with the $300 Pioneer VSX-D914K deal at www.GottaDeal.com, though the Denon I recommended has several more s-video inputs than the Pioneer if you need more than 3 in pack / 1 in front. The Denon would be excellent for speakers costing up to several thousand.
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Still looking at speakers. The whole system I want to be under 1k.(ie reciever, speakers, sub)
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<perk> speakers too???

mmm....polk
 
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DaveSimmons

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Still looking at speakers. The whole system I want to be under 1k.(ie reciever, speakers, sub)
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for a receiver and 5.1 speaker system? Then you definitely need to stick with a $300 receiver instead of something more expensive.

With only $700 for 5.1 speakers, Energy is one good brand. As-is GoodDad's Polk suggestion

Also consider waiting another month or two so you can perhaps budget $1100-1200 total ($800-900 for speakers). Every extra $100 you can put towards the speakers will make a real difference up until at least $800. Just like with processors the gain per dollar starts to decline, but $800 is a very reasonable price for a decent 5.1 speaker system.

If you just want a stereo system then a $700 speaker budget is fine.
 
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Lifer
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Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Still looking at speakers. The whole system I want to be under 1k.(ie reciever, speakers, sub)
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for a receiver and 5.1 speaker system? Then you definitely need to stick with a $300 receiver instead of something more expensive.

With only $700 for 5.1 speakers, Energy is one good brand.

Also consider waiting another month or two so you can perhaps budget $1100-1200 total ($800-900 for speakers). Every extra $100 you can put towards the speakers will make a real difference up until at least $800. Just like with processors the gain per dollar starts to decline, but $800 is a very reasonable price for a decent 5.1 speaker system.

If you just want a stereo system then a $700 speaker budget is fine.
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Please note: he could go with the Onkyo receiver and the Polk speakers and have a very nice setup for under $800.
 
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DaveSimmons

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Originally posted by: GoodDad

Please note: he could go with the Onkyo receiver and the Polk speakers and have a very nice setup for under $800.
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Agreed, or the Pioneer plus Polk :) . I'm really happy with the Polk RT55's in my living room and the Polk RT28i's in my home office, both purchased from Crutchfield (last year and several years ago).
 
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Desslok

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Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Originally posted by: GoodDad Please note: he could go with the Onkyo receiver and the Polk speakers and have a very nice setup for under $800.
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Agreed, or the Pioneer plus Polk :) . I'm really happy with the Polk RT55's in my living room and the Polk RT28i's in my home office, both purchased from Crutchfield (last year and several years ago).
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Thanks again guys for the very informative posts!

I will look into these systems more.
 
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Lifer
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Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
Originally posted by: GoodDad

please dont order sony for home audio. Get Apex to make you a receiver before you buy a sony one.
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I'm curious as to why you say that.
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THD 0.7%
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thats ten times what an onkyo/denon/hk will put out. Distortion is your enemy. Also they overrate their power. When we tell people about sony's power, we tell them its rated in WLS (when lightning strikes.) They also seem to break more than others.

So now power, high distortion, and they break alot.
 
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Originally posted by: GoodDad

THD 0.7%
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thats ten times what an onkyo/denon/hk will put out. Distortion is your enemy. Also they overrate their power. When we tell people about sony's power, we tell them its rated in WLS (when lightning strikes.) They also seem to break more than others.

So now power, high distortion, and they break alot.
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Agree 0.7% THD is on the higher side (I missed that in the specs) but we are talking about a budget system here. And if you're not going to play it at near max volumes you will not reach that level of distortion. And how much of it is actually discernible to the human ear?

I wasn't aware of Sony's reliability and power issues.


 
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