Autonomous Internet

[eigen]

What do you guys think about an internet that has meta-knowledge about itself. Maybe not so much meta-knowledge
but perhaps envisioning the "internet" as a distributed expert system. Maybe I watch to much anime but the idea of an internet that has knowledge of itself and can adapt ( route traffic, prevent hacks etc.) sounds appealing . Think it is possible? What sort of protocols etc. should be developed/would be needed for this this to work..


Sorry about the title I am aware the Autonomous Internet already has a standardized use.

 

[Matthias99]

( route traffic, prevent hacks etc.)

Well, routing protocols are already pretty sophisticated in terms of failover, route discovery, etc.; look up some material on OSPF, for instance. The problem is that the Internet is just that -- a whole bunch of local networks that have been tied together. There's no single entity in control of it, and many people disagree about aspects of how it should be managed. Then there are issues about payment, traffic carrying agreements, etc. (look up BGP, Border Gateway Protocol, for more information). At the moment nothing is really standardized enough to let something like this work.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by 'prevent[ing] hacks' -- do you mean things like DOS attacks? I've seen routers for intranets that can use SPI to cut off machines infected with worm-type viruses; this sort of stuff has not made it up to higher levels in the Internet heirarchy, for both cost and speed concerns (it's more expensive, which is bad for ISPs, and it's a little slower, which is also bad). I suspect you'll see a lot more stuff like this in the future, though.

 

[eigen]

Example : Lets say some zombie master starts a against www.hackme.com. The targeted servers IPS detects this and broadcasts that it is under attack (broadcasts it to whom? ... everyother server on the planet? ...) Lets say this broadcast gets picked up by the zombies (hijacked compouters ) ISP providers the ISP provider then in turn slows the traffic to and from the zombie computer.

My question was more philoshopical ....Let me rephrase . If it were possible to have the internet have some knowledge about itself and its purpose how could/would it go about solving problems that it faced



Like this link but on a larger scale..
http://www.securitynewsportal.com/c...i?database=JanEE.db&command=viewone&id=4&op=t

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: eigen
Example : Lets say some zombie master starts a against www.hackme.com. The targeted servers IPS detects this and broadcasts that it is under attack (broadcasts it to whom? ... everyother server on the planet? ...) Lets say this broadcast gets picked up by the zombies (hijacked compouters ) ISP providers the ISP provider then in turn slows the traffic to and from the zombie computer.

My question was more philoshopical ....Let me rephrase . If it were possible to have the internet have some knowledge about itself and its purpose how could/would it go about solving problems that it faced



Like this link but on a larger scale..
http://www.securitynewsportal.com/cgi-bin/cgi-script/csNews/csNews.cgi?database=JanEE%2edb&command=viewone&id=4&op=t[/q



I saw an artical on that somwthing like that once, when there is too much traffic coming to a part of the network, it sends a signal to the firewall to slow down the traffic coming to it.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: amdfanboy

Originally posted by: eigen
Example : Lets say some zombie master starts a against www.hackme.com. The targeted servers IPS detects this and broadcasts that it is under attack (broadcasts it to whom? ... everyother server on the planet? ...) Lets say this broadcast gets picked up by the zombies (hijacked compouters ) ISP providers the ISP provider then in turn slows the traffic to and from the zombie computer.

My question was more philoshopical ....Let me rephrase . If it were possible to have the internet have some knowledge about itself and its purpose how could/would it go about solving problems that it faced



Like this link but on a larger scale..
http://www.securitynewsportal.com/cgi-bin/cgi-script/csNews/csNews.cgi?database=JanEE%2edb&command=viewone&id=4&op=t[/q

I saw an artical on that somwthing like that once, when there is too much traffic coming to a part of the network, it sends a signal to the firewall to slow down the traffic coming to it.

ICMP source quench?


Something simple that would help the internet: egress filtering. But no one does it :disgust:

 

[AFB]

Oops dp

 

[AFB]

Why should they, it doesn't hurt them. It wasn't a source quench. I think it was in Wired. The example they gave was if someone was trying to use brute force on a login, the web server would detect a lot of traffic from one IP to the login page, and send a message to the firewall to slow the speed coming from that IP.