Automotive & Industrial Emissions: Logic?

[GhostDoggy]

I'm finding it with increasing difficulty to respect the idea of pollution and global warming when the adjacent county to me has none while mine has strict automotive emissions. Also, what good does it to burden me, a Westener, with such emission controls if its not being burden by my adjacent national neighbors?

Where is the sense when some even go as far as to register a vehicle or build a factory in the neighboring community just to skirt the control systems? Now, I'm not a treehugger (shoot them all), but I see no logic or rational unless law is adopted globally (adjacent counties and adjacent national countires).

 

[themusgrat]

Exactly. There is no global standard, but if there was, I would be against it. I am all for better cars and less pollution, but the whole global warming thing is a big joke. It was started by tree huggers who don't want us to chop trees, drill for oil, burn fires, or even take a crap within a mile of a lake. They gained momentum, got governments to believe them, the governments paid money to them for additional "research," now the whole thing is all scientific.

 

[sandorski]

Where do you live?(country)

 

[GhostDoggy]

My problem is that its really annoying driving down Interstate 85 in GA and seeing someone with a vehicle registered from Hall county spewing blue (burning oil) smoke out the tailpipe of their 1987 POS. And what is worse is that as a country you think would be 'modern' and progressive we don't even hold people to maintaining a vehicle's EPA standards for the year their 30, 40, and 50 year old vehicles were made in. Zero exhaust, because in GA if its over 27 years old its exempt.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: themusgrat
Exactly. There is no global standard, but if there was, I would be against it. I am all for better cars and less pollution, but the whole global warming thing is a big joke. It was started by tree huggers who don't want us to chop trees, drill for oil, burn fires, or even take a crap within a mile of a lake. They gained momentum, got governments to believe them, the governments paid money to them for additional "research," now the whole thing is all scientific.

Hmm...need more education less beer :beer:

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: GhostDoggy
My problem is that its really annoying driving down Interstate 85 in GA and seeing someone with a vehicle registered from Hall county spewing blue (burning oil) smoke out the tailpipe of their 1987 POS. And what is worse is that as a country you think would be 'modern' and progressive we don't even hold people to maintaining a vehicle's EPA standards for the year their 30, 40, and 50 year old vehicles were made in. Zero exhaust, because in GA if its over 27 years old its exempt.

A car made in 1987 isn't 27 years old and isn't even 20 years old yet.

 

[Vic]

Let's begin our discussion on industrial technology and pollution by first putting it into historical context. In the year 1900, the 33 square miles of the island of Manhattan had roughly 500,000 horses producing in excess of 10 million pounds of manure per day.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: GhostDoggy
My problem is that its really annoying driving down Interstate 85 in GA and seeing someone with a vehicle registered from Hall county spewing blue (burning oil) smoke out the tailpipe of their 1987 POS. And what is worse is that as a country you think would be 'modern' and progressive we don't even hold people to maintaining a vehicle's EPA standards for the year their 30, 40, and 50 year old vehicles were made in. Zero exhaust, because in GA if its over 27 years old its exempt.

Unfortunately, the federal government has terribly low standards for polution and several states take advantage of that. While there are some states that do have very strict standards (CA and MA to name a couple), there are many more that simply go with the minimal approach.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: GhostDoggy
My problem is that its really annoying driving down Interstate 85 in GA and seeing someone with a vehicle registered from Hall county spewing blue (burning oil) smoke out the tailpipe of their 1987 POS. And what is worse is that as a country you think would be 'modern' and progressive we don't even hold people to maintaining a vehicle's EPA standards for the year their 30, 40, and 50 year old vehicles were made in. Zero exhaust, because in GA if its over 27 years old its exempt.

Unfortunately, the federal government has terribly low standards for polution and several states take advantage of that. While there are some states that do have very strict standards (CA and MA to name a couple), there are many more that simply go with the minimal approach.

I would have to disagree, the feds minimum standards are fairly strict. Of course states can do more to curb pollution.

 

[techs]

I don't understand the logic of NOT restricting youre emissions just because your neighbor does not restrict his.
If there is a strong economic argument, and the pollution is only very slightly dangerous than yes, it might actually make sense to temporarilly use the poorer standard.
But in general if my neighbor is poisoning our towns water supply at a rate that it will effect my kids or grandkids if I cant sto him than I have the obligation not to help him and bring the poisoning about faster.

 

[jimkyser]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: GhostDoggy
My problem is that its really annoying driving down Interstate 85 in GA and seeing someone with a vehicle registered from Hall county spewing blue (burning oil) smoke out the tailpipe of their 1987 POS. And what is worse is that as a country you think would be 'modern' and progressive we don't even hold people to maintaining a vehicle's EPA standards for the year their 30, 40, and 50 year old vehicles were made in. Zero exhaust, because in GA if its over 27 years old its exempt.

Unfortunately, the federal government has terribly low standards for polution and several states take advantage of that. While there are some states that do have very strict standards (CA and MA to name a couple), there are many more that simply go with the minimal approach.

I would have to disagree, the feds minimum standards are fairly strict. Of course states can do more to curb pollution.

Yep. Except for those in CA, all the standards you see for autos are pretty much fed standards. Where there seems to be a disparity is that the feds set different standards in urban areas than in rural ones. So states with more rural makeups appear to have lower standards.

It's only a matter of time before the feds take the same approach as CA and apply the tougher standards to all locales regardless of population density. Any state could also do this themselves, but CA is the only one that really sees a benifit in doing this, currently.

One place where you WILL see statewide differences is that some states make all cars older than a certain age, 25 years is typical, smog exempt. Others require all autos back to the late 60s when emissions standards were first required to continue to meet the standards for when they were manufactured, regardless of age.

 

[RU482]

Originally posted by: Vic
Let's begin our discussion on industrial technology and pollution by first putting it into historical context. In the year 1900, the 33 square miles of the island of Manhattan had roughly 500,000 horses producing in excess of 10 million pounds of manure per day.

I wonder how much methane that equates into