Autocar video: 997 GT2 v. Z06

[Don Vito Corleone]

Autocar finds out. Unfortunately this is just a drag race competition, but pretty interesting in any case.

 

[Arkaign]

Drag? Without clicking, I'd have to give it to the Z06, especially if drag tires are used.

Track car? GT2.

 

[Arkaign]

Watched it. Jesus wtf was wrong with that Z06? I *know* they're faster than that

EDIT : Consensus here (Porsche forum) is that the video is bogus :

http://www.6speedonline.com/fo...howthread.php?t=123960

Points made were the incredibly weak launching of the Z06, terrible gear crunching, and general poor shifting job by the Z06 driver.

 

[overst33r]

I cringed at those syncros screeching... Nice showing for the Porsche, but I don't expect anything less from a $200k car. The Z06 was obviously not being launched correctly, but then again, this is what you could expect to happen at a stop light so it's a fair showing for both.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Watched it. Jesus wtf was wrong with that Z06? I *know* they're faster than that

EDIT : Consensus here (Porsche forum) is that the video is bogus :

http://www.6speedonline.com/fo...howthread.php?t=123960

Points made were the incredibly weak launching of the Z06, terrible gear crunching, and general poor shifting job by the Z06 driver.

Still, they raced them several times, with similar results, and the GT2 was pulling away from the Z06 at a startling rate even once they were off the line. Chris Harris is generally a good driver, and the shifting problems only seemed to be on the first run, which he promptly aborted. Obviously it's possible the Z06 simply wasn't healthy - I have no idea.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Watched it. Jesus wtf was wrong with that Z06? I *know* they're faster than that

EDIT : Consensus here (Porsche forum) is that the video is bogus :

http://www.6speedonline.com/fo...howthread.php?t=123960

Points made were the incredibly weak launching of the Z06, terrible gear crunching, and general poor shifting job by the Z06 driver.

Still, they raced them several times, with similar results, and the GT2 was pulling away from the Z06 at a startling rate even once they were off the line. Chris Harris is generally a good driver, and the shifting problems only seemed to be on the first run, which he promptly aborted. Obviously it's possible the Z06 simply wasn't healthy - I have no idea.

Nah, that review was utterly bogus. If you're doing a proper launch and shifting in a Z06, you're going to see at least some tire spin. Learning to launch them properly takes a lot of practice, until you find the limit of grip and how to feather through it. It's common for stock Z06's to deliver mid/low 11s with a good driver. Some have even cracked 10s. Here's an 11.2 @ 127mph :

http://videos.streetfire.net/v...2et12716mph_123369.htm

I would personally much rather have the GT2, and think it's an overall better car anyway, but that comparison test is horribly flawed, to the point of embarrassment. Maybe they can get away with it in the UK where people don't know much about Vettes, but for people who know Vettes, they know that was a really worthless comparison.

Note to anyone doing comparison drag test :

(1)- Make sure you have the right fuel in the car
(2)- Heat the tires up
(3)- Learn the right launching technique for the car.
(4)- Make sure the car is mechanically ready for the test
(5)- For the love of Christ, LEARN HOW TO FUCKING DRIVE, god that driver of the Z06 was pure shit

 

[Arkaign]

http://www.caranddriver.com/re...ad_test__2+page-4.html

0-60 in 3.6
0-100 in 7.9
Quarter in 11.7 @ 125

Yeah, Autocar.uk can suck on their own shitty driving balls. Clarkson hates american cars, but at least he knows how to drive them.

 

[overst33r]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
http://www.caranddriver.com/re...ad_test__2+page-4.html

0-60 in 3.6
0-100 in 7.9
Quarter in 11.7 @ 125

Yeah, Autocar.uk can suck on their own shitty driving balls. Clarkson hates american cars, but at least he knows how to drive them.

I wouldn't go as far as to insult the guys driving ability... I mean when you can drive an F1 car like this you're not exactly a "shitty" driver. He might not know how to launch a Z06, looking at the video and the rate at which the GT2 continues to pull away up to 180mph, I'd say a good launch on the Z06 wouldn't have mattered much anyway.

If you think Clarkson, of all people, knows how to drive, you haven't seen enough of Chris Harris.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: Arkaign
http://www.caranddriver.com/re...ad_test__2+page-4.html

0-60 in 3.6
0-100 in 7.9
Quarter in 11.7 @ 125

Yeah, Autocar.uk can suck on their own shitty driving balls. Clarkson hates american cars, but at least he knows how to drive them.

I wouldn't go as far as to insult the guys driving ability... I mean when you can drive an F1 car like this you're not exactly a "shitty" driver. He might not know how to launch a Z06, looking at the video and the rate at which the GT2 continues to pull away up to 180mph, I'd say a good launch on the Z06 wouldn't have mattered much anyway.

If you think Clarkson, of all people, knows how to drive, you haven't seen enough of Chris Harris.

Tiff can drive

Looking at the Z06's performance in that video, it's obvious that it was gimped/broken, in addition to the atrocious driving. I've never seen such shit shifting in a Vette. How the fuck do you MISS 3rd?

 

[overst33r]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: Arkaign
http://www.caranddriver.com/re...ad_test__2+page-4.html

0-60 in 3.6
0-100 in 7.9
Quarter in 11.7 @ 125

Yeah, Autocar.uk can suck on their own shitty driving balls. Clarkson hates american cars, but at least he knows how to drive them.

I wouldn't go as far as to insult the guys driving ability... I mean when you can drive an F1 car like this you're not exactly a "shitty" driver. He might not know how to launch a Z06, looking at the video and the rate at which the GT2 continues to pull away up to 180mph, I'd say a good launch on the Z06 wouldn't have mattered much anyway.

If you think Clarkson, of all people, knows how to drive, you haven't seen enough of Chris Harris.

Tiff can drive

Looking at the Z06's performance in that video, it's obvious that it was gimped/broken, in addition to the atrocious driving. I've never seen such shit shifting in a Vette. How the fuck do you MISS 3rd?

I agree with Tiff's ability to drive, but I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't proficient at launching a Z06 either... It's just not something that hosts do frequently and actually try to perfect, not to mention the different approaches required for each car.

"Straight lines are for fast cars, corners are for fast drivers."

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Looking at the Z06's performance in that video, it's obvious that it was gimped/broken, in addition to the atrocious driving. I've never seen such shit shifting in a Vette. How the fuck do you MISS 3rd?

The car may have been borked, but I don't see how driver error could have played a meaningful role in these results. The missed shift was on ONE pass, which he promptly aborted. Chris Harris has driven every supercar out there, not to mention at least one F1 car, and I don't buy that he is somehow to blame for the fact that the GT2 decimated the Z06 on every run. He shifted fine on each of the drag races and the GT2 still pulled away like the Vette was standing still. As for whether his launch technique was optimal for this particular car, I have no idea, but again, it's not as though the Z06 was competitive once the cars were underway.

Your comparison to Jeremy Clarkson is funny to me. Chris Harris is certainly at least as skilled a driver as Clarkson (albeit perhaps not up to the skill and experience level of Tiff or Jason Plato).

 

[fstime]

This guy drives more types of cars than any of us probably, I wouldn't doubt his times.

None of us could probably do better, maybe a professional driver, but not your average car enthusiast.

Only thing I can think of is there was something wrong with the car.

Also, I don't care about getting 1 10 second pass out of 50 runs, I want REALISTIC numbers.

 

[fstime]

This guy drives more types of cars than any of us probably, I wouldn't doubt his times.

None of us could probably do better, maybe a professional driver, but not your average car enthusiast.

Only thing I can think of is there was something wrong with the car.

Also, I don't care about getting 1 10 second pass out of 50 runs, I want REALISTIC numbers.

 

[mwmorph]

Why would you expect the Z06 to win?
You have 2 cars, car A making 25hp and 35lb/ft more than the other.
Car A also has much more weight over the rear wheels, ideal for a RWD launch(911 Carreras are 37/63 FR, with the extra turbo hardware, the balance is probably even more biased towards the rear)
Car A weighs 3175lbs, B, 3150

I expect the 911 GT2 to win. It will be capable of much more traction and more power overall. RR is not good for cornering due to the pendulum effect, but it's great for drag racing.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: mwmorph
Why would you expect the Z06 to win?
You have 2 cars, car A making 25hp and 35lb/ft more than the other.
Car A also has much more weight over the rear wheels, ideal for a RWD launch(911 Carreras are 37/63 FR, with the extra turbo hardware, the balance is probably even more biased towards the rear)
Car A weighs 3175lbs, B, 3150

I expect the 911 GT2 to win. It will be capable of much more traction and more power overall. RR is not good for cornering due to the pendulum effect, but it's great for drag racing.

RR is great for cornering, it just makes for difficult-to-predict handling if you pass the limit. MR is somewhat more mild (and has an even lower polar moment of inertia on average), but still gets a little twitchy. FR is very manageable for most drivers. FF is VERY manageable, but of course will never be as good as RWD.