Autocar: GT3 Vs. M3 Vs. GT-R

[overst33r]

http://www.autocar.co.uk/Video...os.aspx?AR=231443&CT=V

http://www.autocar.co.uk/Video...os.aspx?AR=231444&CT=V

What a beast of a car that GT-R is. Amazing value.

 

[Fenixgoon]

how "bad of a loss" is 3/10ths a second?

damn impressive, of course.

 

[Aharami]

is there higher res or direct download versions of these?

 

[overst33r]

Originally posted by: Aharami
is there higher res or direct download versions of these?

If you can download the youtube videos...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWAficaFl3c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IMWhKciBDs

 

[sniperruff]

can't wait to see the stig drive it on topgear!

still prefer the M3. it sounds the best even compared to the GT3.

 

[nismotigerwvu]

This really isn't too surprising. I'll try to not wear my bias on my sleeve here (see user name) but GT-R has pretty much been static since the R32 was launched (89 i think) and from then on out it was minor tweaks but no ground up reworking, just mere evolution not revolution. Even still it was one of the fastest cars for the money (specifically early on but still to a good extent in the last years of the R34) and one could draw comparisons to R32 here; and a ground up revolution. Perhaps the reasoning behind the "blowing away the competition" comments that come in some reviews and comparisons includes price among other considerations, such as all the subjectives (look and feel) to go with the rather impressive (if not exactly class leading) objective figures.

 

[GoatMonkey]

The GT-R is very impressive. I actually enjoyed the other videos on that page more though. Specifically, the PF1 videos. That's just insane. I would wreck that thing in a second.

 

[shabby]

Originally posted by: sniperruff
can't wait to see the stig drive it on topgear!

still prefer the M3. it sounds the best even compared to the GT3.

You prefer having no brakes?

 

[yelo333]

Originally posted by: mariok2006
http://www.autocar.co.uk/Video...os.aspx?AR=231443&CT=V

http://www.autocar.co.uk/Video...os.aspx?AR=231444&CT=V

What a beast of a car that GT-R is. Amazing value.

Enjoyable vids. :thumbsup:

That guy was fun to watch -- he is so nonchalant about the whole thing.

 

[sniperruff]

Originally posted by: shabby

Originally posted by: sniperruff
can't wait to see the stig drive it on topgear!

still prefer the M3. it sounds the best even compared to the GT3.

You prefer having no brakes?

well, all brakes fade with heavy track use. the M3 is a car that anyone can use any day in comfort and have some fun at the tracks if you want to.

i can't believe i'm saying this, but the M3/M5 are bargains when you factor in the performance/usability factors. a $55k car in a luxury package offering similar performance to a $120k track-oriented Porsche is a feat by itself.

 

[overst33r]

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: shabby

Originally posted by: sniperruff
can't wait to see the stig drive it on topgear!

still prefer the M3. it sounds the best even compared to the GT3.

You prefer having no brakes?

well, all brakes fade with heavy track use. the M3 is a car that anyone can use any day in comfort and have some fun at the tracks if you want to.

i can't believe i'm saying this, but the M3/M5 are bargains when you factor in the performance/usability factors. a $55k car in a luxury package offering similar performance to a $120k track-oriented Porsche is a feat by itself.

They shoudln't fade after a few laps in a car that costs $60k.

Most if not all initial reviews of the M3 commented on the squeakiness of its brakes and attributed it to aggressive pads made for the track. Guess they were wrong.

 

[dds14u]

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: shabby

Originally posted by: sniperruff
can't wait to see the stig drive it on topgear!

still prefer the M3. it sounds the best even compared to the GT3.

You prefer having no brakes?

well, all brakes fade with heavy track use. the M3 is a car that anyone can use any day in comfort and have some fun at the tracks if you want to.

i can't believe i'm saying this, but the M3/M5 are bargains when you factor in the performance/usability factors. a $55k car in a luxury package offering similar performance to a $120k track-oriented Porsche is a feat by itself.

No The M3/M5 obviously did not offer similar performance to the Porsche. They are ripoffs.

 

[swtethan]

I thought the thread topic was: GT3 vs M3 GTR


I was like how is this fair!

 

[Cobalt]

M3 vs GT3 isn't all that fair either.. Put the M3 against a C2S at least...

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: shabby

Originally posted by: sniperruff
can't wait to see the stig drive it on topgear!

still prefer the M3. it sounds the best even compared to the GT3.

You prefer having no brakes?

well, all brakes fade with heavy track use. the M3 is a car that anyone can use any day in comfort and have some fun at the tracks if you want to.

i can't believe i'm saying this, but the M3/M5 are bargains when you factor in the performance/usability factors. a $55k car in a luxury package offering similar performance to a $120k track-oriented Porsche is a feat by itself.

They shoudln't fade after a few laps in a car that costs $60k.

Most if not all initial reviews of the M3 commented on the squeakiness of its brakes and attributed it to aggressive pads made for the track. Guess they were wrong.

Ever tried running track brakes on a road car? Prepare to crash.

 

[overst33r]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: shabby

Originally posted by: sniperruff
can't wait to see the stig drive it on topgear!

still prefer the M3. it sounds the best even compared to the GT3.

You prefer having no brakes?

well, all brakes fade with heavy track use. the M3 is a car that anyone can use any day in comfort and have some fun at the tracks if you want to.

i can't believe i'm saying this, but the M3/M5 are bargains when you factor in the performance/usability factors. a $55k car in a luxury package offering similar performance to a $120k track-oriented Porsche is a feat by itself.

They shoudln't fade after a few laps in a car that costs $60k.

Most if not all initial reviews of the M3 commented on the squeakiness of its brakes and attributed it to aggressive pads made for the track. Guess they were wrong.

Ever tried running track brakes on a road car? Prepare to crash.

I've heard they don't work well at low speeds or at least until they're warmed up.

All I'm saying is, if Nissan can put decent brakes on the GTR why can't the BMW put decent brakes on the M3?

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: mariok2006
They shoudln't fade after a few laps in a car that costs $60k.

Most if not all initial reviews of the M3 commented on the squeakiness of its brakes and attributed it to aggressive pads made for the track. Guess they were wrong.

Brake pads are take and give. Ultimate high heat stopping power usually makes for a crappy cold pad.

Swapping pads is a 20 mins affair though.

 

[fstime]

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: shabby

Originally posted by: sniperruff
can't wait to see the stig drive it on topgear!

still prefer the M3. it sounds the best even compared to the GT3.

You prefer having no brakes?

well, all brakes fade with heavy track use. the M3 is a car that anyone can use any day in comfort and have some fun at the tracks if you want to.

i can't believe i'm saying this, but the M3/M5 are bargains when you factor in the performance/usability factors. a $55k car in a luxury package offering similar performance to a $120k track-oriented Porsche is a feat by itself.

They shoudln't fade after a few laps in a car that costs $60k.

Most if not all initial reviews of the M3 commented on the squeakiness of its brakes and attributed it to aggressive pads made for the track. Guess they were wrong.

Ever tried running track brakes on a road car? Prepare to crash.

I've heard they don't work well at low speeds or at least until they're warmed up.

All I'm saying is, if Nissan can put decent brakes on the GTR why can't the BMW put decent brakes on the M3?

Decent? LOL

I'll bet money the brakes on that car are better than 95% of the cars on the road. Does that make them DECENT enough for you.

Reality check, most M3 drivers will never go to the track and push their brakes to that point.

Hell, most cars I see still have drums in the back.




You want to track your M3 every other day, go out and buy some brake components which are made only for track driving, since you obviously don't care about something called practicality and a dailydriver.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Even my e46 M3 benefits from some heat in the brakes. Only the other day I came off the highway, went hard and late on the brakes from about 50 Mph and had a bit of a shock.

As was said, the M3 will have better brakes than a host of metal that you dodge every day. In reality a pad swap will give better response and stand greater heat, but eff running those on a daily basis. I'd hate to run EBC red stuff in there. I'd crap my pants every day.

 

[GTaudiophile]

The M3 fell flat on its face with such poor brakes.

The GT-R is truly impressive...as a racer. Would still prefer a 911 as a daily driver I think.

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: BouZouki

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: shabby

Originally posted by: sniperruff
can't wait to see the stig drive it on topgear!

still prefer the M3. it sounds the best even compared to the GT3.

You prefer having no brakes?

well, all brakes fade with heavy track use. the M3 is a car that anyone can use any day in comfort and have some fun at the tracks if you want to.

i can't believe i'm saying this, but the M3/M5 are bargains when you factor in the performance/usability factors. a $55k car in a luxury package offering similar performance to a $120k track-oriented Porsche is a feat by itself.

They shoudln't fade after a few laps in a car that costs $60k.

Most if not all initial reviews of the M3 commented on the squeakiness of its brakes and attributed it to aggressive pads made for the track. Guess they were wrong.

Ever tried running track brakes on a road car? Prepare to crash.

I've heard they don't work well at low speeds or at least until they're warmed up.

All I'm saying is, if Nissan can put decent brakes on the GTR why can't the BMW put decent brakes on the M3?

Decent? LOL

I'll bet money the brakes on that car are better than 95% of the cars on the road. Does that make them DECENT enough for you.

Reality check, most M3 drivers will never go to the track and push their brakes to that point.

Hell, most cars I see still have drums in the back.




You want to track your M3 every other day, go out and buy some brake components which are made only for track driving, since you obviously don't care about something called practicality and a dailydriver.

It's actually a very common issue with BMW M cars. The disks are great, the calipers are sized reasonably well but are 2 or 1 piston, brake pads are very soft so they warm up fast and don't squeek, and brake fluid is optimized for maintenance intervals instead of performance.

Going with a dual purpose pad (like a mid-range Pagid) and better fluid (Motul is fine, no need for Castrol SRF) is an inexpensive way makes a huge difference in fade resistance and feel, without too many drawbacks with respect to cold performance, warmup time, and maintenance.

Funny thing is, they went with huge 6-piston Brembo brakes on the 135i.