Australia decides - election 2010

[Sea Moose]

Well thats it, its all over.

The liberal party has won and tony abbott is gonna be our prime minister.

Fuck you Gillard, the prime minister job isnt a sandwich! go make one biatch

 

[FelixDeCat]

wrong forum

 

[Sea Moose]

Didnt think America would consider Australia news. Let the mods decide

 

[Terzo]

Well thats it, its all over.

The liberal party has won and tony abbott is gonna be our prime minister.

Fuck you Gillard, the prime minister job isnt a sandwich! go make one biatch

What? BBC says it will likely be a hung parliament.

wrong forum

Also this. P&N is

 

[HardcoreRobot]

its still news (and political at that) whether we care about or not

 

[Sea Moose]

What? BBC says it will likely be a hung parliament.



yeah, new development

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Well thats it, its all over.

The liberal party has won and tony abbott is gonna be our prime minister.

Fuck you Gillard, the prime minister job isnt a sandwich! go make one biatch

As a British liberal, i say, congratulations.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

What? BBC says it will likely be a hung parliament.



yeah, new development

As a British liberal i say discongratulations!

 

[hal2kilo]

As a British liberal i say discongratulations!

Would it be accurate to say that Australia's experiment with American style consevatism is over?

Serious question

Seems like Canada is in the mist of the same thing. Although their conservatism is tepid compared to the US

 

[sandorski]

Canada has had a Minority(Hung) Parliament for 4ish years now. Started Liberal then went Conservative. Hasn't been bad, but is getting tiring as everyone is constantly Campaigning and trying to trigger another Election without looking like the One who did it. lol

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Would it be accurate to say that Australia's experiment with American style consevatism is over?

Serious question

I'm British and a liberal and i say... i don't fucking know.

I don't even know what their conservative party is like, if it's like our Tories or it's more like our liberals, i know their Labour party is to the lesft of Stalin though and getting rid of that sheit is a good thing.

Still have to bow to our Queen though...

 

[Kappo]

Would it be accurate to say that Australia's experiment with American style consevatism is over?

Serious question

Seems like Canada is in the mist of the same thing. Although their conservatism is tepid compared to the US

TBH, it's what makes the US unique and powerful. Notice the more we lean toward socialism and anti-capitalism the less powerful we become. With that, we can also do alot less for other countries. Those that lean on us will now have to lean on whoever takes our place after our decline. I personally would rather have the US's will imposed than, say, China's.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Canada has had a Minority(Hung) Parliament for 4ish years now. Started Liberal then went Conservative. Hasn't been bad, but is getting tiring as everyone is constantly Campaigning and trying to trigger another Election without looking like the One who did it. lol

I suppose there is that, i'm kinda happy the Libs and Tories decided to work together instead of against each other in the UK.

If nothing else that shows a will to fix what needs to be fixed before getting into petty politics games again.

I like the Canadian Liberals though, had a lot of good ideas.

I don't really care though, the season is about to start and hockey is the game!

 

[hal2kilo]

Canada has had a Minority(Hung) Parliament for 4ish years now. Started Liberal then went Conservative. Hasn't been bad, but is getting tiring as everyone is constantly Campaigning and trying to trigger another Election without looking like the One who did it. lol

Yea, that parlamentary form of government has it's own ways of finagling things.

In ways, I think it has some superior aspects to it than our system.

If things get gridlocked, time for new elections.

 

[sandorski]

TBH, it's what makes the US unique and powerful. Notice the more we lean toward socialism and anti-capitalism the less powerful we become. With that, we can also do alot less for other countries. Those that lean on us will now have to lean on whoever takes our place after our decline. I personally would rather have the US's will imposed than, say, China's.

No, I haven't noticed that. Probably because that's not what is happening in the US. You are becoming less powerful due to poor Economic Policy from failed Rightwing Ideology and the fact that recent Foreign Policy was total Fail.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

TBH, it's what makes the US unique and powerful. Notice the more we lean toward socialism and anti-capitalism the less powerful we become. With that, we can also do alot less for other countries. Those that lean on us will now have to lean on whoever takes our place after our decline. I personally would rather have the US's will imposed than, say, China's.

Thing is, the US has NEVER been as capitalist as say.. Romania is right now, you have ALWAYS had your regulation of the free market and every single time a conservative has been president it's only gotten worse.

See, spending a lot of government money while lowering taxes isn't anti-socialist, nor is it capitalist, it's just plain irresponsible to the nation to do so, raising taxes on the population can be socialistic, but in the mixed economy you, along with France, Germany and every other western nation have come to enjoy, these things will drive wages down and while deflation sounds great on paper, it's a fucking horrible thing when it comes to national economics, it means that your economy is shrinking.

Now, market regulation in itself, which is what socialism really is, regulation of the free market has NEVER been pushed as hard as it was during Reagan ang GW years, so if you are looking for the most socialistic governments in recent US history, Reagans and GW's administrations were the absolutely most socialistic administrations the US has EVER seen, Clintons was the opposite.

Not that you'd care because in your world, ideogogy trumphs reality.

 

[Kappo]

No, I haven't noticed that. Probably because that's not what is happening in the US. You are becoming less powerful due to poor Economic Policy from failed Rightwing Ideology and the fact that recent Foreign Policy was total Fail.

Good call on proving the ideology comment I made on the other tread

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Good call on proving the ideology comment I made on the other tread

So, you think that your credibility in the world community shot to hell over Iraq and that you are in the worst economic crisis has les to do with your appearence than what has happened recently.

I can pretty much promise you that no one even knows what Obama has ever done besides being president but everyone knows all of the rest.

I'm a liberal in the UK, it's a sheitload difference than being anything in the US, We actually believe in liberalism and true democracy, you have a piece of paper that can be ignored at will and people who lie to get thousands of people killed without reprecussions.

I live in a nation, you live in a shithole of petty politics.

 

[sandorski]

Good call on proving the ideology comment I made on the other tread

How do you figure this happened?

 

[hal2kilo]

Thing is, the US has NEVER been as capitalist as say.. Romania is right now, you have ALWAYS had your regulation of the free market and every single time a conservative has been president it's only gotten worse.

See, spending a lot of government money while lowering taxes isn't anti-socialist, nor is it capitalist, it's just plain irresponsible to the nation to do so, raising taxes on the population can be socialistic, but in the mixed economy you, along with France, Germany and every other western nation have come to enjoy, these things will drive wages down and while deflation sounds great on paper, it's a fucking horrible thing when it comes to national economics, it means that your economy is shrinking.

Now, market regulation in itself, which is what socialism really is, regulation of the free market has NEVER been pushed as hard as it was during Reagan ang GW years, so if you are looking for the most socialistic governments in recent US history, Reagans and GW's administrations were the absolutely most socialistic administrations the US has EVER seen, Clintons was the opposite.

Not that you'd care because in your world, ideogogy trumphs reality.

If you are saying that cutting taxes when you know damn well the spending won't go down i.e. dealing with real politic, is essentially welfare for the rich i.e. socialistic then I agree with you.

Unfortunately, reality hasn't been apart of the economic discussion in this country since the Chicago School of Econmics idealogy over reality religion started with Reagan.

 

[Kappo]

So, you think that your credibility in the world community shot to hell over Iraq and that you are in the worst economic crisis has les to do with your appearence than what has happened recently.

I can pretty much promise you that no one even knows what Obama has ever done besides being president but everyone knows all of the rest.

I'm a liberal in the UK, it's a sheitload difference than being anything in the US, We actually believe in liberalism and true democracy, you have a piece of paper that can be ignored at will and people who lie to get thousands of people killed without reprecussions.

I live in a nation, you live in a shithole of petty politics.

You actually do hit the mark a bit here. Up until the part where you live in a nation. Don't you actually mean "nanny state" where fireman aren't allowed to use ladders during inspections because they might fall? Or pull children from danger without being arrested at a school? Or evict squatters who seize homes and it takes months to get them out? Or have shit healthcare (do you guys even HAVE dentists?) with the NHS forcing you to pay for substandard service, for your own good? It's nearly impossible to find any story in any of your papers that have even a hint of someone having or advocating personal responsibility.

I personally could care less about credibility in the world since the majority of the world simply wants to use our funds/resources/power at will for their own gain then become AGHAST and get pissy when we become self-serving.

I'm sorry, but despite Liberalism being quite the ideology, that bastardized version that is today's "liberalism" is nothing to brag about. Being liberal by today's term means punishing people who do more and forcing people to live the way some bureaucrat has decided you should live. Great, sign me up for not being free. Not.

How do you figure this happened?

Because it did.

 

[sandorski]

You actually do hit the mark a bit here. Up until the part where you live in a nation. Don't you actually mean "nanny state" where fireman aren't allowed to use ladders during inspections because they might fall? Or pull children from danger without being arrested at a school? Or evict squatters who seize homes and it takes months to get them out? Or have shit healthcare (do you guys even HAVE dentists?) with the NHS forcing you to pay for substandard service, for your own good? It's nearly impossible to find any story in any of your papers that have even a hint of someone having or advocating personal responsibility.

I personally could care less about credibility in the world since the majority of the world simply wants to use our funds/resources/power at will for their own gain then become AGHAST and get pissy when we become self-serving.

I'm sorry, but despite Liberalism being quite the ideology, that bastardized version that is today's "liberalism" is nothing to brag about. Being liberal by today's term means punishing people who do more and forcing people to live the way some bureaucrat has decided you should live. Great, sign me up for not being free. Not.



Because it did.

Incorrect, sorry, but Fail.

 

[CanOWorms]

The only thing that really matters is whether one of the parties is for a modern Republic form of government. A monarchy does not belong in the modern age. Will Australia stick with Saudi Arabia in its barbaric practice of Monarchy or will it join the modern and progressive world where people are not believed to be superior because they come from a certain inbred family.

 

[Kappo]

Incorrect, sorry, but Fail.

From the guy who hasn't mastered the shift key yet, I'll take that as a compliment. If you aren't bright enough to figure out punctuation, how the hell are you supposed to be even remotely correct on something infinitely more complex?

 

[Acanthus]

TBH, it's what makes the US unique and powerful. Notice the more we lean toward socialism and anti-capitalism the less powerful we become. With that, we can also do alot less for other countries. Those that lean on us will now have to lean on whoever takes our place after our decline. I personally would rather have the US's will imposed than, say, China's.

The united states is not a world superpower because of liberal or conservative policy.

It is the enormous amount of resources along with the advantage of not having the entire country razed in the 1940s.

Sure, taxes and policy do make a difference, but the primary reason we are in the position we are in is happenstance.