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Patchmaster

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Are there any actual specs for these speakers anywhere? I don't mean to sound negative, but the web reference sounds like it was written by some marketing puke rather than someone who really knows about speakers. I'm willing to believe these are good speakers, but I'd have to see frequency response curves, efficiency ratings, SPL at 1m with 1W input, suggested power levels, maximum recommended wattage, etc. The 4 C's of loudspeakers? Come on. Give me some data. Hell, they don't even say what the impedence is.

And before anyone jumps on me, I'm not trying to thread crap. These are honest questions relevant to making a purchase decision for a product like this. I bought subwoofers over the internet without hearing them first. I took the word of some people I trusted who had heard them (combined with lots of response curves and hard data on the manufacturer's web site). I have not regretted that purchase for one instant. So I'm open to the concept of buying speakers over the internet, but I'd need a whole lot more data than what's on that web site.
 

blahblah99

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Damn there's a lot of arguing over this thread... but I gotta agree with ValsalvaYourHeartOut! Buying speakers is like buying cars, monitors, TVs, etc, etc, you have to see it (in this case, hear it) before you decide. Not that I'm saying these speakers are bad, they might be a good deal, but until consumers start giving their personal reviews on review sites, I'd stay away.
 

bizmark

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Originally posted by: Patchmaster
Are there any actual specs for these speakers anywhere?

Like here or here? :)

from first link:

System Multi-way, five-driver direct-radiating system, vented enclosure with two rear-firing flared ports
Drivers Vifa Ring Radiator tweeter, four custom 5.25" long-throw aluminum cone woofers
Crossover Tweeter at 3.5 kHz, progressive array, variable slope
Freq. Resp. 38 Hz to 20 KHz (± 3 dB)
Impedance 6 Ohms nominal
Efficiency 88 dB (@ 1 watt / 1 meter)
Rating 25-200 Watts power handling
Dimensions 37.5" H x 15.5" D x 9" W (953 x 394 x 229 mm)
Weight 56 lbs (25 kg) each; ship weight = 72 lbs each

I'd have to see frequency response curves

Not typically published by speaker manufacturers and typically only found in reviews

efficiency ratings, SPL at 1m with 1W input

Redundant

suggested power levels, maximum recommended wattage

Redundant again, but now actually almost useless

The 4 C's of loudspeakers? Come on. Give me some data. Hell, they don't even say what the impedence is.

See above for impedence.

And before anyone jumps on me, I'm not trying to thread crap. These are honest questions relevant to making a purchase decision for a product like this.

Valid questions, not crapping. A little more resourcefulness would be nice, though (the "Specs" link on every "Models" page (for the rocketspeakers website) or the "Specs" button on every "Products" page (av123/diva website)?) :)

Originally posted by: blahblah99
Damn there's a lot of arguing over this thread... but I gotta agree with ValsalvaYourHeartOut! Buying speakers is like buying cars, monitors, TVs, etc, etc, you have to see it (in this case, hear it) before you decide. Not that I'm saying these speakers are bad, they might be a good deal, but until consumers start giving their personal reviews on review sites, I'd stay away.

That's why they have this on their website:

AV123.com gives you one full month to live with your purchase. It's our "ya gotta love it!" guarantee. If you're not completely satisfied, we offer a no-questions-asked return privilege for every product you buy from us. [snip] Even if you make an impulsive purchase that you might question later, you'll have a full month to see exactly how good that purchase is.

I see no problem with buying from a reputable internet or mail-order audio company that offers a no-questions-asked return policy that's 1 month long. See my detailed explanation above. People have been purchasing mail-order audio for a very long time, and have for the most part been very satisfied. (See Slugbait's post)

Really, I think it comes down to the fact that people can rationalize anything, and one's ears can become easily accustomed to speakers, no matter how "bad" they sound. Our ears, while incredibly precise instruments, are unfortunately not the only thing we use to perceive sound. Our mind takes over and can do a lot to color what we hear. 2-3dB louder *always* sounds "better". Slightly bumped bass and treble sound "better" to most people. The only times people *really* have a problem with speakers is when: 1) they won't play loudly enough without distorting or 2) they are destroyed by careless engineering and careless use.

So, basically what I'm getting at, is that the vast majority of people, if they are looking to spend (say) $500 on a pair of speakers, should probably just take the $500 and spend it on the first pair of speakers they find that look decent and are the requisite size, and stop wasting their time in the search for speakers. Sure, every speaker's different, and some are "better" than others, but the limits of physics and the competitive audio market assure that such differences will be relatively minor; and the power of positive thinking can do a lot for a person, especially when he's just made a major purchase. ;)
 

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Ok, this is going to be a long one..

First off, Saul "Marantz" made some of the best tube amps ever... starting ~50 years ago. Some of these amps are highly collectible in 'real hi-end circles. Saul eventually retired & sold the Marantz brand name. Might've changed hands a few times, but is now owned by Philips. Philips uses marantz brand for their premium gear, some mid-fi & some genuine "high-end" pieces. It looks like recently, Marantz went independant and are now merging with Denon. http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?1283
Here's something worth reading.. Sidney Stockton Smith (1923-2000).

Avsforum.com is not the only resource for high end audio. You can find many other forums where users will offer a more open-minded opinion. Harmonicdiscord.com and audioasylum.com are among the most informative. As you start to read through Avsforum, you will see that a lot of the users who own the Diva/Rocket line are also users who own receiver brands such as Pioneer, Onkyo, Sony, etc. To say the least, these are not very highly regarded brands amongst the audiophile community. But don't get me wrong, Pioneer makes some of the best DVD players (elite series) with their proprietory transports which can be found in Theta players as well. In fact, I beleive they use their better transports on even their non-elite series. Sony's XA 777 is superb as well!

I owned a pair of Divas and after about 28 days and good break-in period, the speakers never really did anything to amaze me. For movie flicks, they work great, but as for music, they performed horribly. Now bear in mind that music contains much more complex passages. The rule of thumb is, "if you can perfect music reproduction in your system, then movies will be a peice of cake". I ended up returning the speakers.

Also note that the ones I've auditioned were the Divas series. I didn't like the drivers that were employed. They simply weren't musical. Since then, it looks like the Divas series are being phased out. Rumour has it, they are being sued by B&W for their tweeter design and therefore are replacing it with their Rocket line (dont quote me on that). The rocket series uses better drivers and a possibly well designed crossover, but whats more important behind all their claims and philosophy is, how they sound.

I think its great that AV123.com are offering speakers at an affordable price and I think its great for you to point this out. But if you're looking to offer us a HOT DEAL, you should not neglect to mention that AV123.com is not the only company offering these great deals. Lets not forget about n0rh or VMPS, along with AXIOMs mentioned earlier.

Lets not make this subject any harder than it already is. If there is something useful, dont hesitate to share it, but lets not go about concluding something we have no first-hand experience on. I've pointed out a few alternatives, so only one can come to their own conclusion.

Good luck.

[Edited for Literacy]
 

greg

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-- may I remind you that most people on the internet absolutely LOVE Bose speakers (including certain *cough* members of AT).

I really resent your elitist attitude, take it elsewhere. I LOVE Bose speakers. There is nothing better than BOSE, and I love to listen to them while I eat Velveeta and Spam sandwiches washed down with some Kool Aid and waxy chocolate while sitting on some killer WalMart lawn furniture overlooking my TRIPLE wide.
 

greg

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People confuse zealous enthusiasm for salesmanship...BTW, Magnepan is the ONLY real speaker in the world...
 

gplracer

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Greg LOL that was a funny post. I will say that some people consider audiophile products to be Bose, JBL, and Polk. Others thing they are Klipsch, and Martin Logan. There is nothing wrong with Bose. It is just that there is a lot better out there for the same or less money. But once again it is personal preference. The people who do not like Bose are most likey mad because of the price they paid for the speakers only to hear better for less. Of course wives love Bose for the size. I liked Bose when I first heard them too. I just listened to several other things that were much much better for the same price. It is all personal preference.
 

VaG

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Originally posted by: gplracerGreg LOL that was a funny post.
The funniest part of his post is that he's a platinum member and he doesn't know how to use quotes.

 

slaman

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Dudes... This guy simply posted a link to a cheap high-end speaker system. Whether or not you choose to take advantage of the post is up to you. For speakers like this, the price is right - so nobody should be thread-crapping saying it's too expensive... you never know what people are looking for.

That's like someone posting a new car for $2500, then a bunch of people coming on saying, get a bicycle, it's cheaper... Or start debating on the look of a car. It's a cheap car!

Wow, that analogy made a lot more sense in my head...
 

Leejai

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Originally posted by: gplracer
Greg LOL that was a funny post. I will say that some people consider audiophile products to be Bose, JBL, and Polk. Others thing they are Klipsch, and Martin Logan. There is nothing wrong with Bose. It is just that there is a lot better out there for the same or less money. But once again it is personal preference. The people who do not like Bose are most likey mad because of the price they paid for the speakers only to hear better for less. Of course wives love Bose for the size. I liked Bose when I first heard them too. I just listened to several other things that were much much better for the same price. It is all personal preference.

I agree. Everything is personal preference. When I first heard bose speakers, I was amazed. But there are much better out there, at around the same amount of money. It's another PC vs. MAC thing, Sony vs. JVC, etc... All are better in certain areas, it's what you're really looking for.

And as far as this deal goes, it's actually a pretty good price for high end speakers (if this is what you're looking for).

FYI for NON-AUDIOPHILES....I learned this trick at CES this year....If you want to know if you're $$$$ Sony (good example) speakers are great quality or not, the next time you're at BB or GoodGuys, look at the back of the speakers, you'll see:

1. They don't even finish the edges, and
2. The box is made of particle board.

Brand name? Yes! Great quality? Personal Preference.

Klipsh, on the other hand, you'll see it's completely finished and sealed nicely (on the pair I compared at least)

I'm NOT saying one is better than the other, just passing on information I thought to be very useful before laying down $$$$ for speakers. =)

 

MSeven20

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Be serious, folks. It is a professionally written advertisement. Well done. If you're fool enough to fall for it, well, that's the point. Certainly no need to argue about it. It's a sales pitch, not a Hot Deal. Don't buy it.
 

Raiden256

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Care to bet on that Mseven20? Say the word and I'll PM you with my contact details, including work phone number, which you're free to verify.

As greg said earlier: People confuse zealous enthusiasm for salesmanship...
 

greg

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The funniest part of his post is that he's a platinum member and he doesn't know how to use quotes.


There you go sparky,

I just didn't feel like it...its an extra step

Platinum just means that I haven't tired of hearing newbie punks make comments about my quotes....:)

 

finkl

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As my proud title (junior member) indicates, I haven't been very vocal at this forum. But I thought I understood rules. According to my understanding, the original post by Raiden is not appropriate for this forum because it does not include any "hot deal." If those "Rocket" speakers were retailed for $5,000 and Raiden found a place to get them for $3,000, then it is a hot deal. But with its current form, there is no hot deal. Although I don't endorse offensive thread crapping, some comments made earlier have a point. Posting a deal simply based on subjective criteria such as (1) personal preference, (2) impression about a company, and (3) popularity in this forum is not appropriate. Even if the original post was not a self-promotion or marketing effort, this post is CLEARLY an off-topic because there is NO HOT DEAL.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: finkl
As my proud title (junior member) indicates, I haven't been very vocal at this forum. But I thought I understood rules. According to my understanding, the original post by Raiden is not appropriate for this forum because it does not include any "hot deal." If those "Rocket" speakers were retailed for $5,000 and Raiden found a place to get them for $3,000, then it is a hot deal. But with its current form, there is no hot deal. Although I don't endorse offensive thread crapping, some comments made earlier have a point. Posting a deal simply based on subjective criteria such as (1) personal preference, (2) impression about a company, and (3) popularity in this forum is not appropriate. Even if the original post was not a self-promotion or marketing effort, this post is CLEARLY an off-topic because there is NO HOT DEAL.

Evidently you are wrong. The moderators police these forums and they understand the rules better than you do, junior. This thread may eventually be locked - not because it is not a Hot Deal - but because of the continued stupidity of picking on this thread.

For AUDIOPHILES it MAY be HOT. Compare these speakers to OTHER audiophile speakers that retail for DOUBLE or more than its price. If this deal is not for you, let it go. Otherwise, you are just "bumping" the thread to the top and giving it more importance than it would normally have.

 

woolfe88

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Uh, the speakers are on sale guys. They're ON SALE. Check the website. The package deals offer discounts of up to $500, and those deals are temporary. If someone here doesn't feel that is a hot enough deal for the forum, they are entitled to that opinion. Otherwise, it's thread crapping.

I can personally vouch for the quality of the Divas by Swan speakers. I demoed them recently through the www.audioenvy.com website. By coincidence, the person whose Divas I demoed was Sean Parque (mentioned in the first post), who was at the time a fan of the products but was later hired by av123. In any event, the speakers are a phenomenal deal for the money. It is one of the 3 or 4 best deals in loudspeakers anywhere, alongside Paradigms (at Canadian prices), Axioms, and certain speakers in the JBL S series which are going for virtually nothing right now. The Divas have an incredibly liquid, flat midrange without a trace of coloration. The highs are quite detailed if slightly recessed due to the silk dome tweeters. The Rockets will have a different treble response, as the Vifa tweeters are a fabric/metal composite. My guess is that they will be a bit more forward in the treble range.

The build quality of the Divas is fantastic. They are not cheap to make, and I guarenty that gross margins are small. Each Diva 6.1 weighs about 50 lbs. The wood veneer is furniture grade, and the end caps are thick black piano gloss. Few if any speakers are made of 100% wood cabinets. MDF (medium density fibreboard) is the preferred sonic standard to reduce cabinet resonance. Quality speaker enclosures are typically made from either 1/2", 3/4" or 1" MDF. The Rockets are 1" MDF not including the 1/2" wood veneer. The build quality is quite similar to the B&W Nautilus 800 series that runs from $3.5K to $12K per *pair* (not per 5 speaker system). The price of the Rockets is not $3K, but $1-$2.2K for a 5 speaker set (mains, center, surrounds). That may be a lot of money by the standards of the average consumer with little interest in quality sound reproduction, but it is NOTHING to even an entry level audiophile. Most audiophile grade speakers cost WAY more. And yes, you can find them everywhere in stores. Just go to a hi-fi shop for a change of pace from Best Buy and Circuit City. A very partial list of speaker brands which generally cost way more than the Rockets is as follows: Linn, Thiel, Revel, Dunlavy, Wilson, M&K, Dynaudio, Vandersteen, B&W, Vienna Acoustics, Sonus Faber, Totem, Aerial Acoustics, and Martin Logans. Speaker PAIRS from these companies generally run from $1,500 to $150,000.

People here have criticized the online-only source concept because it is more trouble to demo the speakers before buying. However, consider the savings where there is no retailer profit margin, and where marketing/advertising costs are kept to a minimum because most sales come through word of mouth online. Basically, you are getting a speaker at what would be a little less than a wholesale price for a speaker made by a company that distributes through retailers and advertises heavily in magazines. The worst example is Bose with the most inflated market budget in the world. All that money goes toward convincing people they are audiophile quality when they aren't, and the cost reflects primarily the marketing. The speakers are made of paper and plastic. You pay for them to deceive you.

AVSFORUM, hometheaterforum and hometheaterspot combined represent probably 75% of the total web based discussion of mid to high end audio equipment. Run a search on those forums for opinions about Divas. You will find about 99% positive remarks (give or take about .5%). In fact, the only negative remarks I have ever heard is that someone didn't like the fact that they were made in China, and ocassionally someone remarks that they like a $5K+ speaker better. Nevetheless, if you are interested in buying, you should go to audioenvy and arrange a demo. It is important to let your own ears be the judge. I don't feel that the opinions of others are irrelevant as has been suggested here. I just feel that those opinions are a threshold requirement and your listening must take you the rest of the way.

I do not own Rockets BTW, but Paradigm Reference. The Divas were on par with my Paradigms, which is pretty remarkable considering the Dimes cost 20% more even at the discount price I got them, and are themselves considered one of the great bargains in audio even at full price.

For those of you who cannot afford or are not interested in high end audio, I can certainly relate as I was there at one time. However, inserting yourself into a legitimate thread to espouse your viewpoint is particularly unnecessary, even if it isn't against the rules. And it really shows your ignorance. A long time ago I learned a little trick about what to do when people start discussing something that I am totally ignorant about - I keep my mouth shut and nod pleasantly. Works like a charm. Oh, and sometimes I listen and pick up a few things...



 

ValsalvaYourHeartOut

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: finkl
As my proud title (junior member) indicates, I haven't been very vocal at this forum. But I thought I understood rules. According to my understanding, the original post by Raiden is not appropriate for this forum because it does not include any "hot deal." If those "Rocket" speakers were retailed for $5,000 and Raiden found a place to get them for $3,000, then it is a hot deal. But with its current form, there is no hot deal. Although I don't endorse offensive thread crapping, some comments made earlier have a point. Posting a deal simply based on subjective criteria such as (1) personal preference, (2) impression about a company, and (3) popularity in this forum is not appropriate. Even if the original post was not a self-promotion or marketing effort, this post is CLEARLY an off-topic because there is NO HOT DEAL.

Evidently you are wrong. The moderators police these forums and they understand the rules better than you do, junior. This thread may eventually be locked - not because it is not a Hot Deal - but because of the continued stupidity of picking on this thread.

No, evidently, YOU are wrong. Just because the mods don't lock a thread does NOT necessairly mean that the deal is hot or that the post is 100% consistent with the rules. Your statement is absolutely irrelevant.

For AUDIOPHILES it MAY be HOT. Compare these speakers to OTHER audiophile speakers that retail for DOUBLE or more than its price. If this deal is not for you, let it go. Otherwise, you are just "bumping" the thread to the top and giving it more importance than it would normally have.

No, this is NOT hot for audiophiles -- it's only hot for two types of people: 1) people who are retarded enough to buy NON-MAINSTREAM loudspeakers without actually listening to them first and 2) people who are foolish enough to trust "internet opinion" as their sole means of research. Not only that, but you CAN'T compare these speakers to other audiophile speakers like you say you can -- you have to buy them without hearing them!!! When I walk into a hi-end store, I can honestly listen and compare what's out there -- with these Rocket speakers, you can't!!! I am almost certain that YOU, yourself, haven't compared these Rocket speakers to audiophile speakers that retail for double its price -- if you have, I'd be interested in hearing which ones, because that would actually contribute to this thread. OTOH, your blind faith in these speakers, which is reminiscent of the little boy wishing so hard for something to be true that he actually believes it is, is annoying.

It would be one thing to post a link for B&W 801's for $500/pair....THAT would be hot, because there's no way anything sounds as good as the 801's for $500, and no audiophile will argue with you on that one...but if some guy posts some no-name brand speaker at $3000, then claims it sounds better than anything less than $6000, and then says you can't listen to them first, and then verifies their superiority by citing an INTERNET opinion site, then any person with half a brain would question the validity of this deal.

....unless, of course, you are either:
a) a lemming (see previous post) or
b) very very gullible.

Valsalva
 

apoppin

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So, ValsalvaYourHeartOut, why do you keep "bumping" this thread to the top?
Are you that impressed with your own reasoning to state the same thing over and over? No one else is. You certainly aren't performing a "service" by dissing this thread.

You are obviously not an audiophile . . . it's clear you haven't a clue. You are not even acquainted with the forum rules. Your posts are totally ignorant in this thread.

If this thread did not fit the rules of this forum, the mods would lock it.
 

merlocka

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Compare these speakers to OTHER audiophile speakers that retail for DOUBLE or more than its price.

LOL, many many years ago I got a free subscription to Stereo Review. I used to laugh at every review they did, because the speakers always sounded "better than speakers costing twice as much!". I always wondered which speakers were the ones that costed so much and sounded so badly....

Can the people so excited about these Rocket speakers point out a few sets of speakers which cost more than $1800 that sound worse than the RS550's?

I tend to believe that with audio (as with many other enthusiast hobbies) there is a point of diminishing returns on your investment and the greater the enthusiast the higher they will contest that "point" lies.

 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: merlocka
Compare these speakers to OTHER audiophile speakers that retail for DOUBLE or more than its price.

LOL, many many years ago I got a free subscription to Stereo Review. I used to laugh at every review they did, because the speakers always sounded "better than speakers costing twice as much!". I always wondered which speakers were the ones that costed so much and sounded so badly....

Can the people so excited about these Rocket speakers point out a few sets of speakers which cost more than $1800 that sound worse than the RS550's?

I tend to believe that with audio (as with many other enthusiast hobbies) there is a point of diminishing returns on your investment and the greater the enthusiast the higher they will contest that "point" lies.

You clearly aren't an audiophile (read "audio fanatic").

And you quoted me out of context. I was NOT saying these speakers WERE comparable to speakers at double the cost. I was replying to a poster that suggest that this was not a hot deal since they weren't "on sale" (actually they are). I said they MAY be a hot deal to an AUDIOPHILE and that the mods allowed this post in accord with forum rules.

EDIT: Bose top of the line clearly sounds worse than just about ANY recognized audiophile speaker.

 

ValsalvaYourHeartOut

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Originally posted by: apoppin
So, ValsalvaYourHeartOut, why do you keep "bumping" this thread to the top?

Obviously, I don't really care if this thread gets bumped to the top -- you don't seem to understand that, do you?

Are you that impressed with your own reasoning to state the same thing over and over? [/quote]

Well, some people are not as quick, so they need things repeated over and over again. I believe that you might qualify in this category...and as a matter of fact, aren't you the one who repetitively points out that everyone who posts is bumping this thread to the top? Not only are you a lemming, but you're also a hypocrite!

No one else is. You certainly aren't performing a "service" by dissing this thread.

Actually at least two ppl have responded to this thread saying that they agree with what I had to say...I cannot say the same for you.

You are obviously not an audiophile . . . it's clear you haven't a clue.

Actually, the converse is most likely true. I have yet to meet a SINGLE audiophile who would advocate purchasing speakers without listening to them first, not-to-mention no-name-brand speakers with only an internet opinion to back it up. I would be surprised if you have a set of Bose speakers sitting in your living room right now!!!

You are not even acquainted with the forum rules. Your posts are totally ignorant in this thread.

Actually, I find that 90% of your posts are even less contributory than mine!!! At least I'm warning consumers about purchasing speakers blindly, and I'm pointing out the dangers of jumping on this deal -- OTOH, you're just shamelessly defending the original poster and these so-called Rocket speakers without directly addressing ANY of my points.

If this thread did not fit the rules of this forum, the mods would lock it.

It's this kind of faulty logic that gets people into trouble. Your statement is grossly incorrect. The only time a mod will lock of a thread is if a) he sees it and b) it is a substantial violation of the forum rules or c) he thinks it's wise to lock it (i.e. flamewar). The mods have made exceptions all the time for off-topic posts that are important to everyone...even though the rules prohibit non-hot-deals. I am flabbergasted that someone with 8000+ posts has failed to notice this fact...although for some reason, I don't think I should be surprised.

Valsalva
 

apoppin

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From the forum rules:
What about COURTESY?

No thread crapping. If the subject matter of a deal does not interest you, do not post negative comments about it, or about other members, in the thread.
So, you don't think this applies to you?

Think before you post. Rude posts can kill a good deal.
And that's just what you are doing.

Don't you understand that I personally don't care one way or another about this particular deal or not? That I do respect the intellegence of other "audiophiles" whether they will drop many hundreds of dollars on a speaker they havent heard is up to them.

I am just showing you that your posts are way out of line. I don't make the forum rules but I do support them. If you really like, I will be glad to bring your "thread crapping" to a mod's attention.

EDIT: Done. Thread Crapping in Hot Deals (Mod - ruling please) I'm out of here and won't reply to you further. I am happy to let a mod make a judgement (it usually takes a day or two).l

Aloha
 

virtuamike

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Originally posted by: ValsalvaYourHeartOutNo, this is NOT hot for audiophiles -- it's only hot for two types of people: 1) people who are retarded enough to buy NON-MAINSTREAM loudspeakers without actually listening to them first and 2) people who are foolish enough to trust "internet opinion" as their sole means of research. Not only that, but you CAN'T compare these speakers to other audiophile speakers like you say you can -- you have to buy them without hearing them!!! When I walk into a hi-end store, I can honestly listen and compare what's out there -- with these Rocket speakers, you can't!!! I am almost certain that YOU, yourself, haven't compared these Rocket speakers to audiophile speakers that retail for double its price -- if you have, I'd be interested in hearing which ones, because that would actually contribute to this thread. OTOH, your blind faith in these speakers, which is reminiscent of the little boy wishing so hard for something to be true that he actually believes it is, is annoying.

Then obviously the same would apply for the non-mainstream Outlaw receivers/pre/pro products, with their non-American manufacturing of American designs, their unavailability in high-end stores, and their reputation based solely on internet opinion. According to your definitions of what makes a product good, Outlaw Audio must sound like ass.
 

ValsalvaYourHeartOut

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Then obviously the same would apply for the non-mainstream Outlaw receivers/pre/pro products, with their non-American manufacturing of American designs, their unavailability in high-end stores, and their reputation based solely on internet opinion. According to your definitions of what makes a product good, Outlaw Audio must sound like ass.

I never stated, either explicitly or implicitly, that just because a product is non-American or not sold locally it automatically "must sound like ass." Furthermore, I never EVER offered a "definition" of what makes a product good. I respectfully request that you actually read my post before you respond to them. Thanks.

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