Audio system question

KingGheedora

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Right now I'm using Fluance SHX-TB (I could be wrong about that model #, it was really popular on the hot deals forum when I bought it a couple years ago, for like $250). My receiver is a Harman/Kardon AVR 635.

When buying the Fluance, I knew pretty much nothing about audio (and still don't). All the reviews I read about the Fluance though raved about the speakers. They said they had amazing bass and sound quality for the price. They spoke of giving demonstrations to friends who guessed that the speakers cost over $1,000. I'm kind of wondering now if those weren't writen by someone working for them, like undercover advertising. Anyways, my speaker setup isn't so great, and particularly I'm lacking in the bass (don't have a sub), and center channel strength.

When I moved up to the AVR 635, and ran through the auto-calibration, the center channel was adjusted louder in comparison to the other channels, than I seemed to be able to set with the Onky 302 I used to use. But I still feel like the sound from the center channel could have more oomf, as much of a movie's soundtrack goes through that channel.

I would like a little more bass. I live in an apartment though, so I don't need major bass, just enough to put emphasis on the lower frequencies during movies.

Also important are the appearance of the speakers, and their size. The fluance look pretty nice after you take the speaker grills off. Especially the front channels, they have a nice modern/minimalist look to them-- very aesthetically pleasing. Consider in addition to appearance, that smaller and lighter is better, something that fits in a smaller apartment, and also wont be a burden next time I move.

I'm willing to spend around $1,200 right now. I'm open to getting a higher quality center + sub, and upgrade the front and rear channels later. Sound quality when listening to music (using spidf mostly, from xbox/cable/mp3 player) is very important to me, as well as good sound quality and positioning when watching 5.1 movies.

UPDATE: Following advice from people here, and some research of my own, I purchased speakers and a sub. My system now looks like this:

Receiver: Harman/Kardon AVR 635
Fronts: Axiom M22Ti's (with overpriced 16" stands)
Center: Axiom VP150
Surrounds: Axiom QS-8's
Sub: SVS PB10
 

MrChad

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I'm not sure how they compare to your Fluance set, but I'm seriously considering purchasing these speakers from Orb Audio next year. They fit into your budget and aesthetic requirements.
 

Nohr

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I'd recommend getting a subwoofer. It adds a lot, even at low volumes (I'm in an apartment as well and I wouldn't be a happy camper without my sub). You may be satisfied with just that one addition and you're going to want a sub sooner or later anyway. And you can always upgrade the other speakers later if you feel the need.
 

spikespiegal

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I'm willing to spend around $1,200 right now

Then sell the Fluance at a garage sale, or to a sucker on E-bay, and start from scratch in terms of speakers. Your AV Receiver is fine - not my first choice, but fine. I've had experience with two Fluance speakers, including their biggest Center Channel, and they sucked. Inefficient, muddy, and lacking bass response, just like your problem. I've heard better dynamic range from a pair of Bose music cubes.

First rule with setting up multi-channel systems; *all* the speakers, especially the center and mains *must* match, or it will sound like crap and you'll never get it balanced right. You can get away with a different brand sub or rears, but you must get your front mains and center together if you want them to sound right. When the tweeters/drivers/xovers all match, the sound field blends together better and everything works better.

I don't care what reviews say about Fluance given my experience with them. There are hordes of better HT speakers systems for about a grand that will blow them away. Try Ascend, Axiom and Athena for starters.
 

MrChad

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Originally posted by: KingGheedora
What is dynamic range?

The range of sound frequencies a speaker can reproduce. Low frequencies are bass, high frequencies are treble.
 

Xyo II

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Personally, I would send a PM to YOyoYOhowsDAjello. He always has awesome advice.
 

BD2003

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Originally posted by: KingGheedora
Is there an ideal price ratio between the receiver and the speakers?

Not really. The weakest link in your system will control how good it sounds. An expensive receiver is more powerful (louder) and has more features. But the difference in quality between a $100 receiver and a $500 receiver are much smaller than the diff between a $100 speaker and $500 speakers.

Your receiver is excellent. It is far, far overkill for the speakers you are using.

I've had good experience with Paradigm speakers, and Athena speakers. I've heard good things about axiom.

If you want good sound, you want to make sure of a few things.

1. Forget about auto-calibration. Buy the cheap radio shack sound level meter, and use a calibration dvd such as AVIA to get it right.
2. Good placement - Have the front speakers form as close to an equilateral triangle with your head as possible. Put the surrounds slightly above ear level, at your sides or slightly behind you. Put the center directly in front of you. Angle all of the speakers slightly to face you.
3. Matching speakers - You want all of the speakers to come from the same brand, preferably the same line, that way they mesh together well.

My personal setup is Athena AS-B2 all around. I got a good deal on them. You don't NEED a special center or surround speaker. The center looks a little quirky laying on its side, but it works just fine, and I've got an extra laying around. Hell, if you wanna go the same route, you can get away with buying 2 pairs, and Ill sell you my spare. :p

And if you want oomph, get a sub. For an apt, an 8-inch is fine. Experiment with placement, it makes a massive difference. Athena makes a good one as well.

It sounds sweet, and theyre easy to find, and very modest...think they have them in best buy.

Here is a review for the AS-B1, the slightly smaller version of the AS-B2.
http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/athena_asb1.htm

For an apt, you don't need big speakers. The money is better spent on quality speakers, rather than volume. If you're really itching to spend that whole $1200, you can prob pick up some paradigm reference series speakers.

The small satellite sub combos will sound fine, but they put too much of the workload on the sub. For good sound, you want at least modestly sized speakers that can reach below 100hz, and let the sub take it from there.
 

Howard

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Originally posted by: MrChad
Originally posted by: KingGheedora
What is dynamic range?

The range of sound frequencies a speaker can reproduce. Low frequencies are bass, high frequencies are treble.
Nope. Dynamic range is basically how loud the speakers can get (the headroom, so to speak). When describing music, it's the difference between the quietest and loudest sounds.
 

MrChad

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Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: MrChad
Originally posted by: KingGheedora
What is dynamic range?

The range of sound frequencies a speaker can reproduce. Low frequencies are bass, high frequencies are treble.
Nope. Dynamic range is basically how loud the speakers can get (the headroom, so to speak). When describing music, it's the difference between the quietest and loudest sounds.

:eek:

Thanks for correcting me.
 

BD2003

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Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: MrChad
Originally posted by: KingGheedora
What is dynamic range?

The range of sound frequencies a speaker can reproduce. Low frequencies are bass, high frequencies are treble.
Nope. Dynamic range is basically how loud the speakers can get (the headroom, so to speak).

Yep, exactly. And more precisely, it's not just a measure of how high you can turn up the volume, its also measure of how loud the loudest sound can be compared to the softest sound at a given volume (in a nutshell). Speakers with weak dynamic range can't handle detail in the presence of loud sounds such a transients, etc. It's hard to describe, but you'll know it when you hear it....put on a loud rock song, and if everything sounds like its mushed together, like on most PC speakers, the speakers lack range and are distorting.
 

BD2003

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Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: Fiat1
Maybe these will work.

Horn tweeters make me cringe. Titanium dome is where its at.
Horn tweeters can sound better than direct-radiating tweeters. I'm not talking about the the cheap plastic horns you get at the dollar store, though.

I've always found them to be shrill and grating to the ears, although I've prob never heard really good ones.
 

MrChad

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Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: MrChad
Originally posted by: KingGheedora
What is dynamic range?

The range of sound frequencies a speaker can reproduce. Low frequencies are bass, high frequencies are treble.
Nope. Dynamic range is basically how loud the speakers can get (the headroom, so to speak).

Yep, exactly. And more precisely, it's not just a measure of how high you can turn up the volume, its also measure of how loud the loudest sound can be compared to the softest sound at a given volume (in a nutshell). Speakers with weak dynamic range can't handle detail in the presence of loud sounds such a transients, etc. It's hard to describe, but you'll know it when you hear it....put on a loud rock song, and if everything sounds like its mushed together, like on most PC speakers, the speakers lack range and are distorting.

Yes, I was thinking of "frequency response".