Attn. Tree Huggers: My Neighborhood On CNN!

[Ornery]

Within the hour CNN will be showing a marsh fire around the corner from here. This is some kind of nature preserve, supposedly, but in reality it's a damn fire hazard and mosquito riddled pain in the ass. Well, it made the national news this time...

Here's the wondrous marsh. Still looking for a link from their site...

Found it!

Updated: Story from local paper

Newspaper front page

Hey! Fox News too!

 

[Ornery]

Oh brother! I just saw the footage on CNN. A tiny little 2 minute blurb. I guess the lives of my neighbors and friends just don't rate! But, God forbid some if of the crawdads in there get singed

 

[konichiwa]

Please take your flamebait elsewhere...

 

[Red Dawn]

This probably put the Laci Peterson Story on the back burner at Fox

 

[Moonbeam]

Some moron probably threw hot brake pads over the back fence.

 

[Ornery]

There's only two ways in and out of this neighborhood called "The Headlands". On the north end, the road is closed due to construction. The bridge coming in from the south is blocked because of this fire. They're trapped in there! Oh, the humanity!! :Q

 

[Vic]

You're right... let's chop down all the trees... they're all fire hazards... anyone who thinks differently is a tree higger...

:disgust:

edit:

Originally posted by: Ornery
There's only two ways in and out of this neighborhood called "The Headlands". On the north end, the road is closed due to construction. The bridge coming in from the south is blocked because of this fire. They're trapped in there! Oh, the humanity!! :Q

Of course, this would have nothing to do with environmental or tree issues, and everything to do with poor neighboorhood planning.

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Oh brother! I just saw the footage on CNN. A tiny little 2 minute blurb. I guess the lives of my neighbors and friends just don't rate! But, God forbid some if of the crawdads in there get singed

Your poor attempt at irony fails to mask your ignorance towards enviromental issues.

Translation: the whole point of this thread is just a thinly veiled attack on those who have legitamate concerns regarding the enviroment. Excuse us if no one takes you seriously.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

What was the point of this?

 

[Ornery]

"...legitamate concerns regarding the enviroment."

Your "legitamate concerns" have wrought this pain in the ass, as well as a bureaucratic nightmare for anybody wishing to develop their land, that happens to have a mud puddle or two on it. Hell, we can't even use a few acres of northern most Alaska to drill for oil, let alone fix this stupid, mosquito infested swamp!

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
What was the point of this?

He's just trying to get you Liberals warmed up for a nice long night of P&N debating...or should I say flaming I'm not one for hugging trees but I do believe that sometimes humans need to step back and "smell the roses" so to speak but I also believe that alot of so called "environmental laws" overstep their bounds.

CkG

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
What was the point of this?

He's just trying to get you Liberals warmed up for a nice long night of P&N debating...or should I say flaming I'm not one for hugging trees but I do believe that sometimes humans need to step back and "smell the roses" so to speak but I also believe that alot of so called "environmental laws" overstep their bounds.

CkG

I hope we get those super duper oxygen makers on line before we cut down all the trees... or burn em down...

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: Ornery
"...legitamate concerns regarding the enviroment."

Your "legitamate concerns" have wrought this pain in the ass, as well as a bureaucratic nightmare for anybody wishing to develop their land, that happens to have a mud puddle or two on it. Hell, we can't even use a few acres of northern most Alaska to drill for oil, let alone fix this stupid, mosquito infested swamp!

YEAH!! Let's just tear everything down and pour concrete over the whole world...that would rock!

Overly simplistic views of enviromental issues are quite amusing...almost as much as complete ignorance of them is.

 

[Red Dawn]

Hey remember Ornery had a problem with a Boulder in his Nieghbors yard. You really can't expect him to be sympathetic to the enviroment when it gets in the way of his parking

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Hey remember Ornery had a problem with a Boulder in his Nieghbors yard. You really can't expect him to be sympathetic to the enviroment when it gets in the way of his parking

Damn boulder huggers!!!:|:|:|

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
What was the point of this?

He's just demonstrating the effects of moonshine and computers. Moonshine + Computer = Stupid posts on Anandtech.

 

[Moonbeam]

Personally I love Ornery the Grouch, a true iconoclast. I became a tree hugger when taxol saved my Mother's life. Hope that doesn't need to happen to you.

 

[HappyGamer2]

I like swamp creatures, there cool, frogs and snakes are cool

 

[Ornery]

"...simplistic views of enviromental issues..."

Simplistic my ass! This is a legal morass! :disgust:

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: Ornery
"...simplistic views of enviromental issues..."

Simplistic my ass! This is a legal morass! :disgust:

Ok man, you seem to be a bit confused with anger for some reason. I read through all your links and I find nothing to support you view. The marsh nature preserve looks like a tad more than the "damn fire hazard and mosquito riddled pain in the ass" you make it out to be. How would having this area not protected benefit you? Here are a few points I found interesting from your links..

Despite being the largest fire at the marsh in nearly 16 years, firefighters prevented it from damaging any homes.

Sooo...what is the big danger. Largest fire and 16 years and no one was hurt and there was no property damage.

Fire officials have not determined a cause. Historically, the marsh has caught fire for two reasons: lightning strikes and kids playing with matches, Zimmerman said.


"And I didn't see any lightning today," he added.

So it's a fire hazard from kids mostly....

What are you trying to express here mr. grouchy? How do "tree huggers" cause you problems? The state government seemed to think the area was worthy of being deemed a state nature preserve....but you obviously know better than all those other idiots rights?

There are major fires in many conservation areas. Yellowstone park has some pretty nasty ones...should we just pave over it sine it is a "fire hazard"? Like I said...overly simplistic and basically just plain naive view...

 

[Ornery]

Most of the residents around here think the wondrous marsh preserve IS a joke. That the state saw fit to make it a preserve doesn't mean anything. It would have been turned into a waterway to compete with the railroads during the 1870?s. Believe me, nobody uses it as a park. It's a marsh!

My biggest peeve with the wetlands regulations are the many incidents like this. The Department of Natural Resources against small landowners. The fight to keep drilling out of Alaska is just one more.

 

[Insane3D]

Most of the residents around here think the wondrous marsh preserve IS a joke.

You mean a actual large majority, or just the ones you speak to that agree? If it bothers you all so much, why don't you get together and try to have the protection lifted? I would think if it was so unpopular with the residents, it would be a sinch to have your state repeal the conservation area status...

While you may not agree, the fact remains that most of these areas need to be protected. While you may not think so, the enviroment is important to many people, and these areas cannont be replaced once they are gone. From what I read on your links, it appears this site is part of a vast network of marshland that dates back at least a 1000 years, and I am sure is home to many species of wildlife, other than your mosquitoes, that wouldn't be there otherwise. Even if they repealed all protection of that land as a conservation area, do you have any idea of how next to impossible it is to develop anything on marshland? It would likely remain there, but not be protected by the government. You would probably just end up with the same thing, just less regulated.

Also, in the story you linked, it would make sense to me that if the only access to the wetlands in that case was over the people's property mentioned, their property is still private, and they would be able to refuse access to people.

 

[Ornery]

"it would be a sinch to have your state repeal the conservation area status..."

Oh brother. The people in Alaska WANT drilling in their own state and can't even get it. Fighting the Feds is an up hill battle.

I swear, mention the marsh to anybody in our area, and they'll just roll their eyes. Nobody owns it, so no developer is going to go to court to battle being able to use his property. It's a waste of tax dollars, and full of problems like the bugs and fires.

BTW, our whole area was pretty damn marshy. The best property on higher ground was snagged long ago. All of the property developed over the last 50 years has very successfully dealt with the water issue. Draining the marsh would be child's play, but we'll NEVER be able to touch it due to its wetlands status.

Edit: This whole developement was built on swamp land. With proper drainage, it was easy to build there and is now a VERY desirable condominium developement. I doubt it could be built today with our current wetlands regulations.

 

[Insane3D]

Oh brother. The people in Alaska WANT drilling in their own state and can't even get it. Fighting the Feds is an up hill battle.

Ummm..drilling in the ANWR and repealing the conservation status of some marsh in Ohio is a tad different. If there is such widespread dislike of the marsh in your area as you say, it should be possible to repeal its status.

I swear, mention the marsh to anybody in our area, and they'll just roll their eyes. Nobody owns it, so no developer is going to go to court to battle being able to use his property. It's a waste of tax dollars, and full of problems like the bugs and fires.

So what do YOU propose to do with it since you have such strong feeling towards it?

BTW, our whole area was pretty damn marshy. The best property on higher ground was snagged long ago. All of the property developed over the last 50 years has very successfully dealt with the water issue. Draining the marsh would be child's play, but we'll NEVER be able to touch it due to its wetlands status.

Edit: This whole developement was built on swamp land. With proper drainage, it was easy to build there and is now a VERY desirable condominium developement. I doubt it could be built today with our current wetlands regulations.

I didn't say it wasn't possible, just fairly difficult. Do you think some developer would want to take on the extra cost of trying to build on such marshy land? It can be drained yes, but the ground underneath will usually remain quite wet and unstable after drainage and development.

It's kind of funny, you knock the so called "tree huggers" for getting the area protected, but you and your community who are against it don't even bother trying to change it's status. What does that say? You "non - tree huggers" are lazy, and the "tree huggers" are not?

Edit:

You mention fighting the Federal Government, but from the stuff I readi n your links, it appears to be protected on the state level...not federal.

 

[ConclamoLudus]

Its not a fire its global warming silly. Its starting to move really fast.