Attn: Gun nuts, i have a question

[Kroze]

Well if anyone have any answer, it would help also.

Anyway, i'm looking to get the bushmaster M4/Colt's AR-15.


The problem is that i live in jersey.

and the law said that you cannot have any weapons that look military (all bushmaster rifles, all Colts AR)

Now i know that people do own them in jersey. how do they do it?

 

[BigFatCow]

illegally.

 

[Kroze]

how?

they know the owner of the gunshop?

 

[Wahsapa]

no, they get it from outside jersey, hunting trip probably, and they bring it back in, hopefully without getting searched. or they have connections to get said weapon.

 

[Kroze]

you have to be a resident of whatever state in order to purchase firearms am i wrong?

 

[Wahsapa]

i dont know to much about guns, but its not that hard to have an out of state friend order you a gun to pick up on the next family camping(hunting) trip.

 

[Kroze]

aw screw it. i think i'm just going to build it.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: Kroze
Well if anyone have any answer, it would help also.

Anyway, i'm looking to get the bushmaster M4/Colt's AR-15.


The problem is that i live in jersey.

and the law said that you cannot have any weapons that look military (all bushmaster rifles, all Colts AR)

Now i know that people do own them in jersey. how do they do it?

It is a retarded government that bases legislation on the looks of the items that the legislation concerns. There was one Mossberg shotgun that was banned entirely based on its looks.

 

[AndrewR]

People might also have a Federal Firearms License (FFL, the one that allows you to own automatic weapons). Might trump the state law, but I don't know specifically.

 

[Shockwave]

The best thing to do is go down to a gunshop or shooting range and ask the fellas down there what they can do for you to get you one. Owning a gun illegally is NOT something you want to do. Trust me, I'm just ITCHIN to own a few firearms which I could build from kits, but the subsequent midnight slaughtering in bed I would recieve from the BATF isnt worth it. And if they dont decide to plug me full of holes, I'd be looking at 10 years minimum if I remember correctly.
Its NOT worth it to own one illegally. Your better off moving to a gun friendly state.

Anyways, check your local gunstore or shooting range. Those guys will know for sure. I dont seeing as I dont live in Jersey (That reason being one of them. Kansas is bad enough)

 

[mugs]

I didn't realize that's the law in NJ. That's so idiotic.

Edit: I bought a rifle at a gun store in Indiana where I wasn't technically a resident. All I needed was my NJ driver's license. I'm pretty sure I could have bought any long gun that way. To buy a handgun you need an Indiana ID, which my friend was able to get by showing his Connecticut driver's license.

 

[Titan]

go to VT, take a trip, we have nice lakes to swim in this time of year, no pollution.

In VT, there are practically no gun laws. I can sell you a gun like I can sell you a shovel. Don't ask me, I don't own any. But it's absurd up here, you can walk down the street with two six-shooters and bandaleros of ammo covering your body and it's legal. What do you expect from the state that has no criminal threat law, so if you run into a cop, remember to threaten to murder him, his family and everybody he knows, because they can't do sh!t.

Ahh, the stories we hear in VT and people with guns. The best one was that a guy had an assault rifle in the back of his Jeep, the kind with a collapsable stock so he thought it was illegal. One day he wrecked his jeep in a field and threw his gun off into the bushes. Cops show up and deal with the accident. A couple weeks later, the cops call him up cuz they found his gun, he tells them he thought it was illegal. They tell him nope, and he can have it back.

VT is the only state where the cops will find your assault rifle in the bushes and call you up to give it back!

 

[DeadByDawn]

I don't know New Jersey Law, but what you may be seeing are "preban" rifles. Rifles that were sold before the ban took effect, and are grandfathered in. They may be transferrable, but like I said I don't know the law in your state. Go to a firearms dealer and ask, is probably the best advice.

 

[K1052]

From NRA-ILA

New Jersey law restricts the ownership of certain semi-automatic and other firearms based upon their military appearance. The list includes:

Algimec AGM1 type

Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder such as the

"Street Sweeper" or "Striker 12"

Armalite AR-180 type

Australian Automatic Arms SAR

Avtomat Kalashnikov type semi-automatic firearms

Beretta AR-70 and BM59 semi-automatic firearms

Bushmaster Assault rifle

Calico M-900 Assault carbine and M-900

CETME G3

Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88 type

Colt AR-15 and CAR-15 seriesDaewoo K-1, K-2, Max 1 and Max 2, AR 100 types

Demro TAC-1 carbine type

Encom MP-9 and MP-45 carbine types

FAMAS MAS223 types

FN-FAL, FN-LAR, or FN-FNC type semi-automatic firearms

Franchi SPAS 12 and LAW 12 Shotguns

G3SA type

Galil type Heckler and Koch HK91, HK93, HK94, MP5, PSG-1

Intratec TEC-9 and 22 semi-automatic firearms

M1 carbine type

M14S type

MAC10, MAC11, MAC11-9mm carbine type firearms

PJK M-68 carbine type

Plainfield Machine Co. Carbine

Ruger K-Mini-14/5F and Mini-1 4/5RF

SIG AMT, SIG 550SP, SIG 551SP, SIG PE-57 types

SKS with detachable magazine type

Spectre Auto carbine type

Springfield Armory BM59 and SAR-48 type

Sterling MK-6, MK-7, and SAR types

Steyr A.U.G. semi-automatic firearms

USAS 12 semi-automatic type shotgun

Uzi type semi-automatic firearms

Valmet M62, M71S, M76, or M78 type semi-automatic firearms

Weaver Arms Nighthawk

Any firearms which are substantially identical to any of the above firearms; any semiautomatic shotgun with either a magazine capacity exceeding six rounds, a conspicuous pistol grip, or a folding stock; a semi automatic rifle with a fixed magazine capacity exceeding 15 rounds. Any magazine with a capacity greater than fifteen rounds is prohibited, even if there is no semi-automatic firearm to accompany the magazine unless the person has a registered "assault firearm" and the magazine is used for DCM sanctioned shooting matches.

A part or combination of parts to convert or assemble a firearm into an "assault firearm" is also forbidden.

Any "assault firearm" not registered, licensed, or rendered inoperable pursuant to a state police certificate by May 1, 1991, is considered contraband.

Any "assault firearm" which was not owned prior to May 1, 1990, must be licensed. Application is made to the Superior Court for the county in which the person lives or conducts business. The fee is $75. The court must find that the public safety and welfare require the issuance of the license and the person must be qualified to obtain a handgun carrying license. For practical purposes, no one will be issued such a license.

If the owner of an assault firearm which has been registered dies, the owner`s heirs or estate shall have 90 days if unable to get a license to either transfer the assault firearm to any person or firm lawfully entitled to own or possess such firearm; render the assault firearm inoperable; or voluntarily surrender the assault firearm. According to the state police, removal of the firearm from New Jersey to a state where the gun would be legal is also allowed.

Jersey sux.

 

[Shockwave]

You could get an SKS based on that. Fine firearms, and I would venture to say reloading with stripper clips is as fast as chaning mags. The 10 round built in mag would be fine.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: K1052
From NRA-ILA

New Jersey law restricts the ownership of certain semi-automatic and other firearms based upon their military appearance. The list includes:

Algimec AGM1 type

Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder such as the

"Street Sweeper" or "Striker 12"

Armalite AR-180 type

Australian Automatic Arms SAR

Avtomat Kalashnikov type semi-automatic firearms

Beretta AR-70 and BM59 semi-automatic firearms

Bushmaster Assault rifle

Calico M-900 Assault carbine and M-900

CETME G3

Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88 type

Colt AR-15 and CAR-15 seriesDaewoo K-1, K-2, Max 1 and Max 2, AR 100 types

Demro TAC-1 carbine type

Encom MP-9 and MP-45 carbine types

FAMAS MAS223 types

FN-FAL, FN-LAR, or FN-FNC type semi-automatic firearms

Franchi SPAS 12 and LAW 12 Shotguns

G3SA type

Galil type Heckler and Koch HK91, HK93, HK94, MP5, PSG-1

Intratec TEC-9 and 22 semi-automatic firearms

M1 carbine type

M14S type

MAC10, MAC11, MAC11-9mm carbine type firearms

PJK M-68 carbine type

Plainfield Machine Co. Carbine

Ruger K-Mini-14/5F and Mini-1 4/5RF

SIG AMT, SIG 550SP, SIG 551SP, SIG PE-57 types

SKS with detachable magazine type

Spectre Auto carbine type

Springfield Armory BM59 and SAR-48 type

Sterling MK-6, MK-7, and SAR types

Steyr A.U.G. semi-automatic firearms

USAS 12 semi-automatic type shotgun

Uzi type semi-automatic firearms

Valmet M62, M71S, M76, or M78 type semi-automatic firearms

Weaver Arms Nighthawk

Any firearms which are substantially identical to any of the above firearms; any semiautomatic shotgun with either a magazine capacity exceeding six rounds, a conspicuous pistol grip, or a folding stock; a semi automatic rifle with a fixed magazine capacity exceeding 15 rounds. Any magazine with a capacity greater than fifteen rounds is prohibited, even if there is no semi-automatic firearm to accompany the magazine unless the person has a registered "assault firearm" and the magazine is used for DCM sanctioned shooting matches.

A part or combination of parts to convert or assemble a firearm into an "assault firearm" is also forbidden.

Any "assault firearm" not registered, licensed, or rendered inoperable pursuant to a state police certificate by May 1, 1991, is considered contraband.

Any "assault firearm" which was not owned prior to May 1, 1990, must be licensed. Application is made to the Superior Court for the county in which the person lives or conducts business. The fee is $75. The court must find that the public safety and welfare require the issuance of the license and the person must be qualified to obtain a handgun carrying license. For practical purposes, no one will be issued such a license.

If the owner of an assault firearm which has been registered dies, the owner`s heirs or estate shall have 90 days if unable to get a license to either transfer the assault firearm to any person or firm lawfully entitled to own or possess such firearm; render the assault firearm inoperable; or voluntarily surrender the assault firearm. According to the state police, removal of the firearm from New Jersey to a state where the gun would be legal is also allowed.

Jersey sux.

No kidding. I would have to store most of my collection out-of-state if I were to move to that sh!thole.

 

[Bulk Beef]

K1052 beat me. NJ is definitely in the top five of Draconian Gun Law states.

but its not that hard to have an out of state friend order you a gun to pick up on the next family camping(hunting) trip

You would be violating a number of state and federal laws if you did that.

K10 - You looking forward to that heavy barrel kit?

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: tkotitan2
go to VT, take a trip, we have nice lakes to swim in this time of year, no pollution.

In VT, there are practically no gun laws. I can sell you a gun like I can sell you a shovel. Don't ask me, I don't own any. But it's absurd up here, you can walk down the street with two six-shooters and bandaleros of ammo covering your body and it's legal. What do you expect from the state that has no criminal threat law, so if you run into a cop, remember to threaten to murder him, his family and everybody he knows, because they can't do sh!t.

Ahh, the stories we hear in VT and people with guns. The best one was that a guy had an assault rifle in the back of his Jeep, the kind with a collapsable stock so he thought it was illegal. One day he wrecked his jeep in a field and threw his gun off into the bushes. Cops show up and deal with the accident. A couple weeks later, the cops call him up cuz they found his gun, he tells them he thought it was illegal. They tell him nope, and he can have it back.

VT is the only state where the cops will find your assault rifle in the bushes and call you up to give it back!

Dude, a fellow vermont on here! Isn't our state awesome? Where you from?

 

[desy]

Here in Canada I can own anything off that list as long as it is semi-automatic and barrel greater than 18.5 inches.
So much for our draconian laws eh? seems you got it tougher there
Handguns and some of the shorter other stuff you have to get a restricted licence of which I'm going through now, but its not that tough of an exam bout the same as a drivers licence.

Although, some of the rules are just stupid I can own a 9 mm Glock but I can't own a .25 caliber revolver?? or a handgun with a barrel shorter than 4''

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: sward666
K1052 beat me. NJ is definitely in the top five of Draconian Gun Law states.

but its not that hard to have an out of state friend order you a gun to pick up on the next family camping(hunting) trip

You would be violating a number of state and federal laws if you did that.

K10 - You looking forward to that heavy barrel kit?

You know it.

Damn ATF needs to hurry up.

 

[JulesMaximus]

The people who own banned weapons may have purchased them prior to the law taking effect. I own 4 17 round Glock magazines I bought in 1994 before the Clinton ban took effect. It is not illegal to own them, just illegal for Glock to make and sell new ones except to Police departments.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
The people who own banned weapons may have purchased them prior to the law taking effect. I own 4 17 round Glock magazines I bought in 1994 before the Clinton ban took effect. It is not illegal to own them, just illegal for Glock to make and sell new ones except to Police departments.

Didn't California ban the private ownership of high capacity magazines completely?

 

[Schadenfroh]

come to mississippi, you can fire off automatic weapons in the area outside the city limits and no one will ever say anything to you

 

[edro]

Wow... no Mini-14s either? Wal-Mart sells them new-in-box here in Ohio.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Shockwave
The best thing to do is go down to a gunshop or shooting range and ask the fellas down there what they can do for you to get you one. Owning a gun illegally is NOT something you want to do. Trust me, I'm just ITCHIN to own a few firearms which I could build from kits, but the subsequent midnight slaughtering in bed I would recieve from the BATF isnt worth it. And if they dont decide to plug me full of holes, I'd be looking at 10 years minimum if I remember correctly.
Its NOT worth it to own one illegally. Your better off moving to a gun friendly state.

Anyways, check your local gunstore or shooting range. Those guys will know for sure. I dont seeing as I dont live in Jersey (That reason being one of them. Kansas is bad enough)

umm it's completly legal to build your own guy as long as you're compliant with the AWB rules (ie count the "evil factors" accordingly).

As far as the jersey thing goes, i had no idea the law was soo strict. I hope soccermoms there sleep safter now that instead of getting a .223 bushmaster you have a to get a 7mm elephant rifle...