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hatboy

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Even after all of the argumentation in this post, I've still gotta believe that MadRat did no wrong in correctly clarifying the description of that sale.

Let's think for a second about the current system and also what would happen if the system were modified a bit to allow at least certain posts similar to MadRat's. In the current system, there have been problems in the past with what Russ describes as Pricewatch Snarfs, people who get odd enjoyment out of trying to look smart by saying dumb things. While this type of activity seems to have decreased quite a bit lately, I'm assuming that the mods still read most, if not all threads, making sure that no one has "crapped on" someone's thread (this seems accurate since they jumped on MadRat). If the mods were to somehow miss one, I have no doubt at all that numerous people would point out this most flagrant faux pas. When someone is caught for doing this, they are punished in some way, and perhaps even banned. This seems to work fine, except that there is at least some doubt as to what should happen if a good, upstanding member of the forum were to point out that a seller/trader has, purposely or not, incorrectly described his product. Under the current system, this seemingly good act would be treated as a very bad one, and the person who committed it would be punished (and maybe even banned if they did it enough, who knows). Somehow, that just doesn't seem right.

Now let's think about a slightly different possible system. In this system, the stupid, annoying, obvious Pricewatch threads would still be illegal. However, it would now be possible for a well-intentioned person to provide information and possibly even correct a seller. If this were to happen, the mods would still have plenty of work, as they would still read at least most of the threads. However, instead of assuming that any post that provides information in a for sale/trade thread must be bad, they might stop and think about it a bit. If it's obviously bad, punish the person somehow. If not, let it stay. If the mods miss a post, and someone says something incorrect, or does something dumb, there is a nearly infinite number of well-informed people who I'm sure would not hesitate to correct him. I'm assuming that the mods are hardware-savy enough to deliniate the valid, informative posts from blatent stupidity (if not, I really think they should be). Not only would this system help to prevent some uninformed person from getting screwed, but it would also help to stop some of the "you can only post what we want you to post" type of attitude that the mods seem to be taking. Under this system, both buyers and sellers might even learn something from reading their posts.

You've all been making nice, general arguments about why all posts that don't directly pertain to buying and selling are bad. But the thing that's been ignored is the indesputible (in my mind at least) fact that MadRat did nothing wrong. His intentions were good, he pointed out valid information, and he may have even helped someone learn something. I can't believe that he sould be punished for that.
 

apoppin

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Why wait so long? E-mail the seller. Wait a bit and e-mail the mod.

What's the harm in e-mailing a mod early? It just depends on the degree of perceived violation of the seller ethics.

BTW, the mods have always responded to my e-mails very quickly, 1/2 day at the most (and usually they act first, respond later).

EDIT: How was MadRat punnished? It just seemed like a reprimand to me.
 

thorin

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"Why wait so long? E-mail the seller. Wait a bit and e-mail the mod."

I was suggesting a worst case scenario. Plus the fact that most people work all day, so if you email them at 10 or 11pm one night you should not expect a reply until say 9 or 10pm the following evening (there goes a day). Now you have to email the mod (1/2 day), the mod has to email the person (1 day). Then the person has to have a chance to update their thread and/or reply to the mod (1/2day to 1 day). By then someone could be or has been scam'd.
Mods why do you feel that we should let ppl be hurt/scam'd when we know better and can suggest that perhaps someone got a spec wrong (horror of horrors). Should we not try to help our fellow forum members in this way?

Anyway the mods have probably drop'd this thread (since he supposedly ended the discussion above), so this is pointless. At least if you post a correction and the Mods del it and put in a comment then any potential buyers/traders will know something is up, think twice, and perhaps not get scam'd.

Thorin
 

apoppin

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thorin, in a worst case senario - obvious fraud, forget e-mailing the seller, just e-mail the mod. Now, what are we talking about - a 1-2 hour delay.

If someone makes a really bad deal, gets screwed by a misrepresented product, don't you think the Moderator will e-mail them before any money actually gets exchanged.

Personally, I think the Mod's job is to uphold the integrity of the Anandtech Forum as best as they can. Sure, some things will slip thru the cracks. Us concerned members can only do the best we can to alert them.

If they make exceptions - if we are good-intentioned but somehow lose a legit sale for the seller by 'crapping on the thread' - who is responsible? I think there should be no exceptions.

EDIT: The Moderator suggested e-mailing the seller. Then he said "use other means of communicating." We need to use common sense depending on how urgent we believe the problem to be. But we could be wrong - why lose a sale for someone else by crapping on their thread?
 

thorin

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"don't you think the Moderator will e-mail them before any money actually gets exchanged."

No because the mods don't have the same ammount of knowledge that the forum community does. And the mods don't have time to read and babysit each thread.

"If they make exceptions - if we are good-intentioned but somehow lose a legit sale for the seller by 'crapping on the thread' - who is responsible?"

Pointing out an error is not crapping on the thread or the originator. I'm not saying we should go around saying "listen bud what are you trying to pull, your specs are fraudulent", I mean we should be allowed to say "Dude I think it's a 233 not a 300, you might wanna double check that" and watch out for both the buyer and seller. It could be a honest mistake, but think of the $hit that would hit the fan for the seller if he posted something that was wrong, and think of how pissed thebuyer would be. We should be working as a community not a policed state.

Thorin
 

Format C:

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The problem here is people who like to mind everybody else's business except their own, and when they get called on it display an overbundance of self righteous indignation.

The mod is right. If you're not interested in buying the goods or helping the seller out in some way then shut up and get out. Plain and simple. Your "education of the poor innocents" ain't welcome when you're messing with someone's wallet. You wouldn't like it and noone else does either. All of us here are big boys and girls able to take care of ourselves and we don't need any of you self appointed watchdogs holding our hands just so you can feel important.

Russ is right. All computers sold with a Cyrix chip are labeled and sold with the speed of the PR rating. Its standard practice and everyone here knows that. If they don't then maybe they're in over their heads here and need to go retreat back to AOL chat. If we're going to go down the path some of you want to take, then everyone here thats selling any overclocked chip needs to stop listing them as XXX @ YYY because they're doing the same exact thing Cyrix does.

Bottom line, keep your nose out of other people's business and concentrate on your own. Nobody here neither needs nor wants YOUR benevolent stewardship. Go feed your overgrown ego somewhere else.
 

johnjk

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If I were selling an item and unknowingly misrepresented it I would be happy for someone to point it out. It could easily save the seller and buyer alot of hard feelings down the road.
 

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True, johnjk., but wouldn't you rather have it pointed out privately rather than in your thread? In the thread, there goes your chance to make a sale.

Well said, Format C.

"Buyer Beware."
 

thorin

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"If I were selling an item and unknowingly misrepresented it I would be happy for someone to point it out. It could easily save the seller and buyer alot of hard feelings down the road. "

Exactly.

Thorin
 

easystreet

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So what you are saying(Mods,Russ,etc) is that when you sell something it is perfectly ok to mislead and decieve potential buyers because if they aren't smart enough to know the difference it is their tough sh#t?
It is interesting to note the mod's stand on this issue and his defense by some of the "Elite" and how it contrasts with some of the locked threads in the Hot Deals forum.
Do you all need a hot deal on Vaseline?
With all the Rass kissing I guess so.
 

alchemist

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As with all goods its buyer beware, but i think that if you have a legitimate comment as to the authenticity of the item, that should be allowed to be posted, as well as an email to the mod to look at it. That way the mod is informed as to what you are posting and can make the final judgement as to whether you are trying to hurt the seller or just trying to help a misleading advertisement
 

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alchemist, if you post it you will get the same response from the Mod that MadRat got. The Mod did say "end of discussion."

Looks like our only option is to e-mail.
 

Brian07

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The Mods have this "selective" authority that they seem to use when they please. I guess its an ego thing, a god sort of mentality.

If I were the seller, I would have appreciated what Madrat had pointed out. It just saved future hassle.

 

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"Selective authority." Of course, but I doubt if it is either an "ego thing" or "a god sort of mentality." They are entrusted with enforcing the forum rules. Either you have anarchy or structure. Somewhere the line has to be drawn, if the Forum etiquette is to be maintained.

It may seem arbitrary to us, but the Mods did not leave us a way out. Private messages. The seller can still be corrected without crapping on his thread - privately. And if he is dishonest or unwilling to make changes, the Mods can be alerted to take care of the problem before damage is done to the buyer.
 

catseye

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Cmon, its called marketing. Cyrix calls it 300mhz, so this guy can too. If the seller gets burned, next time he'll do his research, or post a thread asking for advice, or whatever.
 

Hyper99

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This mistake happens all the time.
I've seen Athlon cpu labedled as Intel
on pricewatch.com
I think you can try to be nice to them, and if you want to buy from them ask if it an AMD, and to clarify it.
They will then realized it a mistake and appologized or
say it was a mistype.
Correcting them doesn't require you to shout in public,
it must be done privately between you and them.

 

ssjgokou1

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first off all, let me get something straight, cyrix doesn't say that there processor has a pr rating of 300mhz, it's actually a model number, so don't say that cyrix says it's a 300 mhz, because they didn't.

Second, by reading that thread, it seems that a member wrote something, not a moderator, unless that member said something and the mod deleted it, but I think that that member just wrote

DO NOT crap on peoples threads if you don't want it....
Anandtech Moderator
 

RSI

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Since Cyrix misleads everybody with their PR system, I think they should be to blame :)

Anyway, who cares if the guy bought it or not.. he would have bought a 300 CPU, and when he boots up it would say 300, so if he would be blind enough to buy it he would be blind enough to think he has a 300MHz chip!

This entire thread was funny to read, though. :D
 

Phokus

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Sheesh, this is why i switched over to fatwallet.com... no controversies over there :eek:
 

kingink

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I am new here.
I will email from now on to both buyer and seller. no i won't do that either. i mean i would like to inform and hopefully be informed in return when i buy, sell, or trade an item. I liked that so many people provide information or say good deal or i have the product and like it or provide some sort of info like a thread or link. Seems its back to every (hu)man for himself and god against all.

Please email me if I am making a stupid purchase or trade. i think i would appreciate it if it is done without bad intentions.

As far as a bad traders forum. I think that is a bad idea because there is already heatware and bad traders can come back under another name and address. I think, imho, that it would turn into a slag fest. I would like to see a forum or evaluation site that confirms peoples names and addresses with logins before people can trade. I haven't seen one yet, so please point one out to me.
kingink
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PolaroidPaul

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I am also a newbie here. I think issues about descriptions of items should be allowed to be raised when they are intended to obtain more information or clarrification about the product. Questions along the lines of "When did you stop beating your wife?" should not be allowed but asking about the actual clock speed of a processor versus its model number should be allowed. Making a statement that the actual clock speed is less than the model number indicates would not be allowed. I would draw the line there such that the issue may be raised in the forum but only the seller can address it with an answer. Readers cannot post "answers" to their own questions.

What happens if the seller answers with false or bad data? Time for personal e-mail and cc to the mods.

Your attitude changes dramatically after you been scammed with the help of a major internet player and you have to go it alone try to get your money back.

BUYER BEWARE ALWAYS!!!!:|
 
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