ATTENTION WoW PLAYERS: Regretful grouping story inside....

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Let me start by saying this -I don't group much. I also have only been in 2 instances since playing WoW. 1 was in Ogrimar and the otther one was WC near the XR. As a Undead shadow spec'd Preist (lev 36 now) who plays 1 hour here or 2 hours there -I've really gotten accustomed to soloing all my quests. I can easliy solo 3-4 level mobs above me and that has worked out really well. I rarely group and when I do, it's just for to finish a few quests that I absolutely cannot solo, sometimes those are quests marked Elite.

So, I found someone in my 190+ person Guild who was around the same level as me. We got all excited because most of the Guild is 50+ leveled. We hooked up the next day and he asked me if I was interested in getting some "good XP" and running a Scarlet's Monastary quest he was currently doing. I've never been there and informed him of this. He gave me directions and informed me it was by the UC and that signs would lead me there. As he sent me an invite, I joined in the middle of the rest of the party saying things like "..but do we really need another person?" and "...I'm not really sure why...but ok." My buddy quickly replied, "He's a Preist.....how can you say no?!" You could tell he just wanted to get me int he action and was just generally a good person.

So, I join up and greet everyone in a friendly tone. The party consisted of:

- 55 Hunter
- 42 Warlock
- 41 Warrior
- 43 Shamman
- 36 Priest (ME!)

As you can tell, I was the lowest leveled person in the party. As soon as I got into the monastary I'm escorted by my buddy to the rest of the group who is hanging out right infront of the main building (church?) where the lord (boss) is. My buddy just tells me to run to the party who is on the other side of the courtyard. I mind sooth one mob, but OH NO (!), too late. A mob behind me is agro'd and begins to attack. My buddy tells me to run so I do. I sheild and heal myself. My buddy beings attacking the mob, and gets the agro. But wait....now I have 2 more adds on me. Apparently my mob didging skills arnt enough for this cramped coutyard. I sheild/heal/fade/fear...but nothing is really working and a couple of them are still attacking me. The entire party tries to save me, but it's too little and too late. I die. I appologize for the inconvenience and am quikcly rez'd. We sattle up and regen and laugh it off. We walk into the main building (they were almost done with the quest I'm now informed) and begin to pick off mobs working our way to the king. Here is where my unexperienced-ass comes into play and really begins to show. The Lord is in the center/back portion of the building. He has a few small rooms to his left and right with mobs in them that I assume (no one told me what was going on) must be killed before attacking him. As we pick off the mobs tucked away to *his* left, I begin healing everyone and my mana is drained quickly. Being they are all such higher level, they have more HP and there for....require more heals that a person closer to my level (especially the 55). My buddy throws some mana potions my way. I ask if anyone can make water (for some reason, I thought Warlocks could make water...not Mages). No one says a word. I ask the Warlock if he can make me some water and he tells me that he cannot. I appoligze quickly and reali........WTF!!!!! All of a sudden I'm being attacked. I spin around and see someone shouting "YOU MUST PAY!". But something isnt right. His attack it taking off 1/4 of my health with each swing. I sheild, heal, fade and fear.....but it's too late. I'm dead. The party goes crazy and I notice everyone's health quickly draining as I'm in ghost form running back. Everyone dies except for the 55 hunter and the 42 shammy. I plan on doing a corpse run but my buddy tells me to "No wait, stop!....wait for the rez". I do, and the rez comes. Once the dust settles, everyone begins to ask WTF jsut happened and who pulled the boss. Before I can claim responsibility, the warlcok I was chatting with says, "It must have been the low level". Confused and emberassed, I respond with a "Yea...it was probably me" and swollow my pride. I appologize again and everyone pretty much ignores me except for my buddy and we move on. Once everyone has replenished we press on to the other rooms and clear out the mobs. The Hunter leads the way back to the main chamber and sets his Hunter's Mark on the boss (the same one that killed me). He sends his pet and everyone follows. There is no plan of attack or discussion of what should take place. Its utter chaos. Everyone begins attacking and I sit back just keeping an eye on everyones health and saving my mana for that or a rez. Then something spectacular happens. The Lord runs away to some back room and calls on some demon or mistress of his. She pops in, "Omg my lord, I love you! Now lets kill!" and begins to run full speed toward me. I Fade and shes still flaming full speed to me. I sheild as her onslaut beings. I post in the party chat, "HELP!" and then "I'M BEING ATTACKED". I'm suddenly dead. No one was even able to run to my aid, they were too busy trying to protect their own asses. In fear of them dying, I realize that I really need to ghost run back to my body and heal my party before everyone dies and I really look stupid. As I run into the instance, my return to my physical form, DOH!!!!

No problem, right? I try to mind sooth the mobs and run past them .Yea, that wasnt happening. The first mob agro's me and I die faster than greased lightening. The party finishes up killing the mobs in the main building and begin sorting out the loot. Well, they come across some "Healing mace" and my buddy sticks up for me and says, "We should probably give that to the PriesT". Everone agrees, and begins wondering where I am. I become so frustrated that I tell everyone I've screwed everything up, and that we should jsut forget it. I'd lsot my temped and looked even more stupid. These people probably thought Iw as a 13 yr old kid on his dads computer. They asure me that they can get me to the loot, np. They rez me back at the door, and the shammy begins to escort me. We get about 1/2 through the courtyard and are eventually overtaken by 3 mobs. I become so frusted with the whole situation and my inexperience I go mute in party chat. People are now bickering amugst themselves if the effort is even worth it. I appologize again for the inconveneince and tell everyone to move on. As the party breaks up, I PM my buddy telling him how sorry I am for being such a total instance newb and for making the whole situation that was suppose to be just fun.....a drag. He asures me that it's really not that big of an issue and tells me he will see me tomorrow.

After the party compelte disbands and I corpse run I kinda just sat there thinking about what just happened. I felt so completely turned off by what had just taken place and compeltely disappointed in myself. I logged out, turned my computer off. I've never expereinced that kind of disappointment or greif in a single player game. One can always F6 and then F9 when there is a problem. there is no quick saves or do-overs here. The feeling sucked.

This has been theraputic for me and is the reason I'm posting this.

/confession 0
 

screw3d

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ArchAngel777

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It isn't about being a noob as much as it is about your level. I remember being L60 escorting a L38 warrior through that place. I cannot remember that instance too much, but I am pretty sure being L36 gave you a huge, radius for agro range. You can pretty much be on the other side of the building and grab agro if you are close enough.

Again, I would say you did nothing wrong, except join a group that was perhaps to high of a level for you.

 

Rookie

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Scarlet - Cath is a tough instance for your level especially when you are suppose to be healing people that high of a level. And it's no easier when you are RIGHT at the boss and don't get time to get your method to your madness! Try the graveyard or the library. Graveyard is the swirling portal on the left and is more suited to your level, as is the library to your right.

Don't worry!

EDIT:

It reminds me of an adventure at Tyr's Hand in Eastern Plaguelands. We were taking care of some Alliance in the area (we being 6 of my guildies - all 60) and me a 54 druid at the time. The area is FULL of 58+ Elites. Needless to say, whenever I got even remotely close to a MOB it would attack me and I would have to go Bear and hope someone would save me. That being said I still had a blast. So again, don't sweat it.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
It isn't about being a noob as much as it is about your level. I remember being L60 escorting a L38 warrior through that place. I cannot remember that instance too much, but I am pretty sure being L36 gave you a huge, radius for agro range. You can pretty much be on the other side of the building and grab agro if you are close enough.

Again, I would say you did nothing wrong, except join a group that was perhaps to high of a level for you.

True.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Rookie
Scarlet - Cath is a tough instance for your level especially when you are suppose to be healing people that high of a level. And it's no easier when you are RIGHT at the boss and don't get time to get your method to your madness! Try the graveyard or the library. Graveyard is the swirling portal on the left and is more suited to your level, as is the library to your right.

Don't worry!

EDIT:

It reminds me of an adventure at Tyr's Hand in Eastern Plaguelands. We were taking care of some Alliance in the area (we being 6 of my guildies - all 60) and me a 54 druid at the time. The area is FULL of 58+ Elites. Needless to say, whenever I got even remotely close to a MOB it would attack me and I would have to go Bear and hope someone would save me. That being said I still had a blast. So again, don't sweat it.

Oh cool! I dont even know where to get those quests. But thanks for the info....good stuff.
 

Concillian

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May 26, 2004
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Honestly you are just inexperienced with instance grouping. You were also probably too low level for Cathedral, which didn't help. But you were not the only person who made a mistake.

It takes some time to get used to mob aggro ranges in instances (which are, all but a few, pretty cramped), which seemed to be the largest problem. Especially since lower level characters have such a huge radius that they can aggro a mob. Now that you have made these mistakes you will learn from them and you will improve in play. You did not make all the mistakes, however, as someone should have been holding aggro of the boss on you (the warrior most likely). As a priest you are often at the mercy of other members of your party though, and really that is part of being a priest.

What you describe can be a source of disappointment and frustration, and sometimes it is. But when you work together as a team to do things you cannot do alone it can also be a feeling of fun and accomplishment as well. If your group does not have a good idea of how to hold aggro of all the mobs, there is little you can do as a priest, and you will have some bad group experiences.

As you probably have figured out, when you heal someone, it creates threat on all mobs involved, and if someone isn't actively holding a mob, it will beeline straight for you when you heal. This is not obvious to everyone. I have a guildmate I've been playing with for several months, he has a level 57 mage and a level 4x rogue. Just a couple weeks ago he was wndering why mobs were attacking a partymate who hadn't attacked anything (but had healed). So even people with significant WoW experience can be pretty clueless about what a healer has to deal with, which seems to be part of the issue with getting some difficult groups.

It is an inherently multiplayer game, and such groupings, while not absolutely necessary, they do bring about some of the better quest rewards and later in the game are the primary way to develop your character. If they are not fun for you, then don't force yourself. Play the game as you enjoy it.
 

Concillian

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Originally posted by: warcrow

Oh cool! I dont even know where to get those quests. But thanks for the info....good stuff.

One quest is given in UC "Into the Scarlet Monastery" this is the one that requries killing the two you worked on + 2 other bosses

Inside the Graveyard instance there is a quest given, but no other quests require you go there

If you are not undead, there is a quest in thunder bluff inside one of the buildings to retrieve a book in the Library instance of SM. Undead are not eligible for the quest.

As a priest you should run the Library instance a couple times. One of the best staves in the mid-game is available as a drop from the boss there and you are the appropriate level for it. He can also drop one of the best caster daggers in the mid-game. My priest is level 60 and is STILL using the quest reward off-hand item from the main SM quest.

The SM library is perfect for your current level. Razorfen Downs in Barrens also has a quest that rewards a very nice set of cloth shoulders for a caster (my priest had them from level ~30 to level 58 and my guildmate's mage still uses them at level 57) and it is more suited for ~level 30 characters, which means you should have a little easier time in there.
 

Noema

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The only advise I can give is stop soloing so much, Warcrow. If you at some point expect to enjoy the end game content of WoW, you'll have to run many instances and to do so, you'll have to have some experience in groups.

Grouping is much different than soloing, as you surely know. I remember when I did my first instance in the Wailing Caverns. I did everything wrong. I was casting rockbiter on my weapon and stealing the aggro off the tank. I didn't know the warrior was supposed to hold the mobs. I wasn't assisting the priest. I wandered off often and would pull adds. I was with a pickup group, and everyone was yelling at me after we wiped for the uptenth time. But it was quite the learning experience. I know run regularly with my guild and it's pretty much my favourite part of the game.

I suggest you find a group of people to regularly run instances with. Since you are a priest, you'll be very sought after, so that shouldn't be too much trouble. Hopefully you'll soon be enjoying the dungeons more.

 

ArchAngel777

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Originally posted by: Noema
The only advise I can give is stop soloing so much, Warcrow. If you at some point expect to enjoy the end game content of WoW, you'll have to run many instances and to do so, you'll have to have some experience in groups.

Grouping is much different than soloing, as you surely know. I remember when I did my first instance in the Wailing Caverns. I did everything wrong. I was casting rockbiter on my weapon and stealing the aggro off the tank. I didn't know the warrior was supposed to hold the mobs. I wasn't assisting the priest. I wandered off and would pull adds.

I suggest you find a group of people to regularly run instances with. Since you are a priest, you'll be very sought after, so that shouldn't be too much trouble. Hopefully you'll soon be enjoying the dungeons more.

I soloed to L60 in under 13 days played with my MS specced warrior. End-game for me was the BG's, not UBRS or MC. I am not much of a loot whore and the PVP rewards are nearly as good and easier to attain IMO. It depends if you are a MMO veteran or not... For instance, I used to play DAOC -- A game that was completly group dependent for just about every class. So I learned how to group well from that... I choose not to group in WoW because of the loot whores are ninja's... Cannot stand it... Not to mention the average age of a WoW player is about 13 years old with an attitude.


 

Noema

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Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
I choose not to group in WoW because of the loot whores are ninja's... Cannot stand it... Not to mention the average age of a WoW player is about 13 years old with an attitude.

That's why you don't group with pickup groups. They are a recipe for disaster. Ninjas+people who don't really know how to play their class.

I only group with guildmates and of course, all those problems dissappear.



 

DannyLove

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Man, I can't believe you guys still play these retarded level grind games. Glad I moved to a diff game.

PS, Paragraph?

danny~!
 

ArchAngel777

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Originally posted by: DannyLove
Man, I can't believe you guys still play these retarded level grind games. Glad I moved to a diff game.

PS, Paragraph?

danny~!

Wow, that is always a good way to make friends "Hey guys, what ya doing? Oh... You guys suck I moved beyond that. Well, later dorks"

Signed,

Dorfus


Way to go D!!!
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: DannyLove
Man, I can't believe you guys still play these retarded level grind games. Glad I moved to a diff game.

PS, Paragraph?

danny~!

:confused:
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Concillian
Originally posted by: warcrow

Oh cool! I dont even know where to get those quests. But thanks for the info....good stuff.

One quest is given in UC "Into the Scarlet Monastery" this is the one that requries killing the two you worked on + 2 other bosses

Inside the Graveyard instance there is a quest given, but no other quests require you go there

If you are not undead, there is a quest in thunder bluff inside one of the buildings to retrieve a book in the Library instance of SM. Undead are not eligible for the quest.

As a priest you should run the Library instance a couple times. One of the best staves in the mid-game is available as a drop from the boss there and you are the appropriate level for it. He can also drop one of the best caster daggers in the mid-game. My priest is level 60 and is STILL using the quest reward off-hand item from the main SM quest.

The SM library is perfect for your current level. Razorfen Downs in Barrens also has a quest that rewards a very nice set of cloth shoulders for a caster (my priest had them from level ~30 to level 58 and my guildmate's mage still uses them at level 57) and it is more suited for ~level 30 characters, which means you should have a little easier time in there.

Would you happen to have a link to that staff? I'm curious which one it is?
 

Rookie

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It's the Illusionary Rod

It drops off of Arcanist Doan the last boss in SM - Library (might take a couple kills to get it though... well worth it!)
 

Concillian

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The other drop off doan is 'Hypnotic Blade' which, when used in conjunction with the 'Prophetic Cane' (SM quest reward), is a very nice alternate to the Illusionary Rod. So there are two pretty useful caster drops from Doan.

I can't look up items from work because the WoW sites like that are blocked. Look the names up on thott or something similar if you have access.
 

MrYAK

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the blade has +8 intel and the staff if my mind server me right has +15 intel, +10 stam, and +5 spirit. i used this staff for soo long on my mage till i hit like lvl 55 or something. very nice staff.
 

LeetViet

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When you are in an instance, DO NOT FEAR! It will only bring more aggro and wipe your group.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: ifesfor
Seriously dude....KILL YOURSELF...and dont hesitate when you pull the trigger...

:laugh:

You taking your own advice would please me greatly. :thumbsup:
 

jelkukipik

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: ifesfor
Seriously dude....KILL YOURSELF...and dont hesitate when you pull the trigger...

:laugh:

You taking your own advice would please me greatly. :thumbsup:


Jesus, have you seen the guy feeling so guilty for a simple videogame mistake in an online game??

Common!At first, iw as not sure if he did a mistake in WoW or if it was in real life, like a mistake in the army or something like that.