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sandorski

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Yeah I bet Biden would tell 10000 documented public lies in his first 3 years as President. I bet he would pressure foreign governments into digging dirt up on his political opponents. I bet he would fire anyone competent simply to surround himself with loyal yes men. I bet he would fire people investigating him or his friends. I'm sure he would sell America out to SA and Russia in exchange for personal gain.

Like I said, for the most part. Financial ruin over a Health issue, huge Student debts, difficulty to purchase a Home, difficulty to address a $400 expense, need for multiple Jobs to get by, and many other such issues would remain. You know, issues that actually affect Peoples lives.

What you mentioned are important and the main reasons I want Trump gone, however, they are not important to those struggling.
 

Blackjack200

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Uh, Joe Biden lies all the time. He got away with some whoppers in the debate and a few months ago he said he got arrested trying to visit Nelson Mandela in jail.


You think Joe Biden would stand up to Saudi Arabia? LMAO, were you born yesterday?
 

soundforbjt

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Like I said, for the most part. Financial ruin over a Health issue, huge Student debts, difficulty to purchase a Home, difficulty to address a $400 expense, need for multiple Jobs to get by, and many other such issues would remain. You know, issues that actually affect Peoples lives.

What you mentioned are important and the main reasons I want Trump gone, however, they are not important to those struggling.
Since you can't vote in the US, why are you trying to "both sides" the Dem party as the same as Repubs? If you truly detest Trump, why not work to remove him instead of trashing the Dems? It really makes me wonder who's side you're really on.
 
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NostaSeronx

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Don' be dishonest. You know that's not true.
Obama/Biden solved all the issues, we now live in an utopian society. The republicans had an epiphany and worked with the democrats to solve the issues.

=> Biden vowed to both party members and those watching at home that Kerry would “not hesitate to unleash the unparalleled power of our military—on any nation or group that does us harm—without asking anyone’s permission.”
=> Biden’s words just days before the invasion: “I support the president. Diplomacy over avoiding war is dead,” and “Let loose the dogs of war. I’m confident we will win.”
=> Nor does it square with Biden’s March 9, 2003 op-ed for the Wilmington, Delaware News Journal, which began: “I happen to think we will go to war with Iraq. And I happen to think the military phase will go relatively well. It’s a war that is justified.”

=> https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/04/plagiarism-biden-climate-change-plan-1504950
=> https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...aims-he-was-part-of-the-civil-rights-movement
=> https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...brother-hedge-fund-money-2020-campaign-227407

Biden is just Blue Trump. Except, he has a John Bolton fever... Pretty much all his talking points are in fact America First.

Ignore the world, we are number one, we have the beefy stick and won't be afraid of coup'd governments. Only for big shock the next government is more corrupt and more willing to work with the "enemy."

It is dishonest to talk about Trump, then not realize that Biden has been in the game of Trumpism long before Trump got office.

I will not support extreme liars in the supreme office of presidency of the United States. To bad for everyone else by voting for them constantly for the past 40 or more years. Thank god for the internet and recordings or we would have forgotten.
 
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Jhhnn

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Since you can't vote in the US, why are you trying to "both sides" the Dem party as the same as Repubs? If you truly detest Trump, why not work to remove him instead of trashing the Dems? It really makes me wonder who's side you're really on.

I'm convinced that he just wants to burn it down.
 

NostaSeronx

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I'm convinced that he just wants to burn it down.
If he doesn't get what he wants.
It better burn down after this shit show. Biden ain't trump bullshit, Biden is what the blue thinks Trump was going to be.

Trump with a progressive congress next year will be infinitely better than Biden with a conservative congress. Can't end wars with Biden, can't end poverty with Biden, can't begin Healthcare for All with Biden, can't.. can't.. can't... he simply will not allow it.

If the third candidate isn't progressive and isn't going to win, you go for congress, you go for state, you go for local. Don't go voting Biden thinking it is going to give Supreme Court progressive judges.
 
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soundforbjt

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It better burn down after this shit show. Biden ain't trump bullshit, Biden is what the blue thinks Trump was going to be.

Trump with a progressive congress next year will be infinitely better than Biden with a conservative congress. Can't end wars with Biden, can't end poverty with Biden, can't begin Healthcare for All with Biden, can't.. can't.. can't... he simply will not allow it.

If the third candidate isn't progressive and isn't going to win, you go for congress, you go for state, you go for local. Don't go voting Biden thinking it is going to give Supreme Court progressive judges.
If you think anyone can get a progressive judge on the SC with the current landscape in Congress, you're nuts.

edit: Where is this progressive Congress coming from that Trump will somehow abandon all republicans and enact liberal policies?
 

sandorski

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Since you can't vote in the US, why are you trying to "both sides" the Dem party as the same as Repubs? If you truly detest Trump, why not work to remove him instead of trashing the Dems? It really makes me wonder who's side you're really on.
I'm convinced that he just wants to burn it down.

The Democrats are Republican-Lite. What good are they for those needing some solutions? The Reagan Revolution remains in full effect until the Democrats are reformed. So if that means "burning it down", then yes it should be. In its' current form the Republicans control the Agenda regardless who is President, who controls the Senate, or who controls the House.

The Democrats need to grow a spine, embrace the Worker/Main Street, reject Wallstreet, and do so unapologetically.
 

Vic

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If the progressive cause is supposed to be about helping people, then there is nothing more selfish and hypocritical than a progressive who wants to burn it all down just because he can't get what he wants.
 

sandorski

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If the progressive cause is supposed to be about helping people, then there is nothing more selfish and hypocritical than a progressive who wants to burn it all down just because he can't get what he wants.

Is anyone getting what they want?

There are no Checks and Balances when both Parties serve the same Master.
 

blankslate

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Let me know when that guy starts being as coherent as he was in the 2008, 2012 campaigns and even at the 2016 Democratic Convention when I believe he delivered one of the most effective attacks on Trump in his speech there....


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Ajay

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Let me know when that guy starts being as coherent as he was in the 2008, 2012 campaigns and even at the 2016 Democratic Convention when I believe he delivered one of the most effective attacks on Trump in his speech there....


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Who Joe? Yeah, time has caught up with him. I'm fine with Joe right now. There allot of work to be done just to fix up Trump's mess. And, honestly, I think it will be a long time before the party goes the way the DSA would like it. Too much for me all in one gulp.
 

eelw

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Dementia or not, how can anyone be so stupid to not want to get “we’ll shine light inside the body to kill the virus” out
 
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Blackjack200

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I think at this point if you are still planning on voting for Biden, the best thing to do is just recognize that you are voting for a man that is credibly accused of sexual assault because you believe that the circumstances justify it. I disagree, but I at least accept it as a legitimate opinion. Insisting that Reade's allegations are fraudulent in the face of mounting evidence is just deluding yourself in a very, very ugly way.

 
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sandorski

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I think at this point if you are still planning on voting for Biden, the best thing to do is just recognize that you are voting for a man that is credibly accused of sexual assault because you believe that the circumstances justify it. I disagree, but I at least accept it as a legitimate opinion. Insisting that Reade's allegations are fraudulent in the face of mounting evidence is just deluding yourself in a very, very ugly way.


No no Dude, it's Fake News....
 

blankslate

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Dementia or not, how can anyone be so stupid to not want to get “we’ll shine light inside the body to kill the virus” out
At this point depending on Joe's state of alertness I'm half expecting him to talk about Cornpop's experiments with UV rays that turned him into "Shoot sun-rays from his hands man" and how Biden assembled a special team which included " 'Titanitee-uhm' bonded to bones Man" to take Cornpop out and how they had to cover it up so that it didn't become public knowledge....

just saying...


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SmCaudata

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Joe will get out of the way of Congress. We have some smart people able to make laws right now and if the dems can get a few Senate seats we may return to those mythical days when lawmakers actually worked together to better the country... remember that?


The president is not a dictator. He doesnt need to be perfect. He need to be a strong leader and willing to let the country run. Obama let Congress run the country for years. THAT is what made him a great president. He would urge congress to action. Even with all of that, Obama worsened partisanship because of the color if skin, which is obviously not his fault, just the reality of certain parts of America. I still think that he probably was one of the best Presisents this country has seen.


I say all this recognizing that the Republicans starting their obstructionist ways signaled the end to our functional government. I hope that maybe Trump was so bad, his net effect was to reduce partisan politcs.


Edit: our planet is at stake. The only important litmus test for a president is willingness to fight climate change. Biden isnt strongly "green" bit he'll get out of the way of progress.

Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk
 

Jhhnn

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I think at this point if you are still planning on voting for Biden, the best thing to do is just recognize that you are voting for a man that is credibly accused of sexual assault because you believe that the circumstances justify it. I disagree, but I at least accept it as a legitimate opinion. Insisting that Reade's allegations are fraudulent in the face of mounting evidence is just deluding yourself in a very, very ugly way.


So, who says the caller was Tara Reade's dead mother? Tara Reade, The Daily Caller & the right wing echo chamber.


You're just here to squeeze out every bit of scurrilous innuendo.
 

Jhhnn

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At this point depending on Joe's state of alertness I'm half expecting him to talk about Cornpop's experiments with UV rays that turned him into "Shoot sun-rays from his hands man" and how Biden assembled a special team which included " 'Titanitee-uhm' bonded to bones Man" to take Cornpop out and how they had to cover it up so that it didn't become public knowledge....

just saying...


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Perhaps you'd care to compare what Biden has said about he Pandemic with what the Bullshitter in Chief has said-


Refreshingly honest & straight forward, huh? So choose wisely, and encourage others to do the same. Unless you just want to burn it down, which seems likely.
 

blankslate

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As I recall this group was part of why Obama handily won in 2008 and 2012... oh well I guess it's telling that Biden gave an effusively positive Eulogy to perhaps the most racist Senator to serve in Congress.

Argue that Biden won't appoint half so bad Justices to the SCotUS if you will... at least that is logical

but stop fucking lying about his record.



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sandorski

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So, who says the caller was Tara Reade's dead mother? Tara Reade, The Daily Caller & the right wing echo chamber.


You're just here to squeeze out every bit of scurrilous innuendo.

So far Tara's story has been confirmed on every confirmable point. The 2 persons she has mentioned as having told about the allegations have confirmed that she had done so and her statement that after she had raised concerns with her Boss that she was suddenly re-assigned has also been confirmed. From where I see it, you are the one with the scurrilous innuendo.

However, maybe this caller isn't Tara's mother. There are ways to find out though. Don't be so quick to assume it isn't though, there's an increasingly amount of smoke around this allegation.
 

Jhhnn

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As I recall this group was part of why Obama handily won in 2008 and 2012... oh well I guess it's telling that Biden gave an effusively positive Eulogy to perhaps the most racist Senator to serve in Congress.

Argue that Biden won't appoint half so bad Justices to the SCotUS if you will... at least that is logical

but stop fucking lying about his record.



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And now with Gish galloping! Burn it down!
 

Jhhnn

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So far Tara's story has been confirmed on every confirmable point. The 2 persons she has mentioned as having told about the allegations have confirmed that she had done so and her statement that after she had raised concerns with her Boss that she was suddenly re-assigned has also been confirmed. From where I see it, you are the one with the scurrilous innuendo.

However, maybe this caller isn't Tara's mother. There are ways to find out though. Don't be so quick to assume it isn't though, there's an increasingly amount of smoke around this allegation.

Yeh, she went from years of praising Joe to praising Putin instead & from "It felt creepy when he touched my shoulders" to "He grabbed me by the pussy!"

I figure you'll hop on the Ukrainian corruption wagon when it comes back around & any other that shows up.