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mondobyte

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First .... some comments:

Dissapointments:
Only 7 Cancer Activity Certificates.
New members were "robbed" of the satisfaction that we "ancient" members gleaned.
Although I professed that patience and persistence would get members through the pro j ect ... the project was neither patient or persistent with us.
Never having been a major player

Achievements:
A profound contribution.
7 Anti Cancer Activity Certificates
Making a difference

So ... now I am looking for a new project ...

Requirements:
Active Directory/Network Server friendly
About a 100-700 computers on tap ... depending on administration loading

Any suggestions?

mondo
 
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trevinom

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I have been working on F@H for a little over a year and have not been dissappointed. The 2 most current versions allow for Service installs and are pretty straightforward. The only twists might come if you are using multi-core/thread systems, in which case you would probably need to setup separate folders for your multiple instances, but there is an excellent setup guide that was written by our F@H gurus in the forums, namely MDE and GleeM: F@H setup guide. We, basically help Stanford study ways that proteins fold so they can use the info to find cures for Alzheimer's, Mad Cow (BSE), ALS, and Parkinson's disease. To get a better idea of what F@H is all about, you can read here.
We are currently in 25th place in the rankings so are always on the lookout for new people. Your farm would aid us greatly in our quest to move up the ranks.
 
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GeoffS

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Originally posted by: mondobyte
First .... some comments:

Dissapointments:
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Never having been a major player
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hmmm... let's see... #7 IN THE WORLD with almost 1% of the ENTIRE PROJECT'S RESULTS credited to you.... not a major player? Puuuuuuu-LEASE!!!! :p You are a major player in my books my friend! :thumbsup:
 
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Rattledagger

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Originally posted by: mondobyte
So ... now I am looking for a new project ...

Requirements:
Active Directory/Network Server friendly
About a 100-700 computers on tap ... depending on administration loading

Any suggestions?
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BOINC has built-in service-install, caching, multi-cpu-support, is multi-project and crediting comparable across projects.

You can customize the installation and deploy with active directory, see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/win_install.php

Net-connection, either direct or through proxy.

Many projects to choose from, see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ for a list of "released" projects, there's also some alpha/beta-projects not listed here it's possible to choose from...

Adding a new project later can easily be done.
Just "attach" on one computer, and afterwards copy example account_predictor.scripps.edu.xml from BOINC-directory to all the other computers, and re-start the BOINC-service.
To stop running a project, just delete the corresponding account_*.xml file, and re-start BOINC.


Appart for ocassional BOINC-client-upgrades, science-applications is automatically downloaded so appart for initial setup there's not much administratiion to do...

To monitor, you can use tools like BoincView to check on many computer at once.
You can also if desired check on a projects web-site, the computer-listing is sorted after "last connected" so can easily spot a computer stopped working.

Preferences is web-based, so can very easily change them for all computers at once. You can have 4 preferences you'll group computers into, default, home, work, school.

Based on preferences you can control resource-share between multiple projects, max disk-usage and so on, how much work to cache, limit crunching to example only between 18-06, pause crunching while user active, only use net-connection between example 24-06, if desirable limit bandwith-usage to x KB up and y KB down.


The "released" projects are:
Biology:
Predictor@home
Rosetta@home
World Community Grid (currently linux only)
Physics:
Einstein@home
Particle Physics
LHC@home
SETI:
SETI@Home
Weather:
Climateprediction.net

Some upcoming projects currently in alpha/beta includes:
BURP
Folding@home
Orbit@home
Planetquest
The Lattice Project



Oh, and lastly, can someone kick the forum-server... :evil:
 
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ProviaFan

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I'm involved in F@H, and would obviously recommend that to you as we're in 25th position as Trevinom said, and we could use the help. ;)

BOINC looks good, however, as it seems to have administration features that would help you, and you could always put part of your processing power towards F@H at some point when it comes out of beta, if you'd like. :D
 
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mrwizer

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Nov 7, 2004
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Originally posted by: Rattledagger
BOINC has built-in service-install, caching, multi-cpu-support, is multi-project and crediting comparable across projects.

You can customize the installation and deploy with active directory, see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/win_install.php

Net-connection, either direct or through proxy.

Many projects to choose from, see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ for a list of "released" projects, there's also some alpha/beta-projects not listed here it's possible to choose from...

Adding a new project later can easily be done.
Just "attach" on one computer, and afterwards copy example account_predictor.scripps.edu.xml from BOINC-directory to all the other computers, and re-start the BOINC-service.
To stop running a project, just delete the corresponding account_*.xml file, and re-start BOINC.


Appart for ocassional BOINC-client-upgrades, science-applications is automatically downloaded so appart for initial setup there's not much administratiion to do...

To monitor, you can use tools like BoincView to check on many computer at once.
You can also if desired check on a projects web-site, the computer-listing is sorted after "last connected" so can easily spot a computer stopped working.

Preferences is web-based, so can very easily change them for all computers at once. You can have 4 preferences you'll group computers into, default, home, work, school.

Based on preferences you can control resource-share between multiple projects, max disk-usage and so on, how much work to cache, limit crunching to example only between 18-06, pause crunching while user active, only use net-connection between example 24-06, if desirable limit bandwith-usage to x KB up and y KB down.


The "released" projects are:
Biology:
Predictor@home
Rosetta@home
World Community Grid (currently linux only)
Physics:
Einstein@home
Particle Physics
LHC@home
SETI:
SETI@Home
Weather:
Climateprediction.net

Some upcoming projects currently in alpha/beta includes:
BURP
Folding@home
Orbit@home
Planetquest
The Lattice Project



Oh, and lastly, can someone kick the forum-server... :evil:
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As always, great info Rattledagger. :) Thanks
 
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mondobyte

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Originally posted by: GeoffS
Originally posted by: mondobyte
First .... some comments:

Dissapointments:
<snip>
Never having been a major player
<snip>
Click to expand...

hmmm... let's see... #7 IN THE WORLD with almost 1% of the ENTIRE PROJECT'S RESULTS credited to you.... not a major player? Puuuuuuu-LEASE!!!! :p You are a major player in my books my friend! :thumbsup:
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1% ... that much? I had no clue ...

Perhaps this describes the FaD project current situation ....


 
amdxborg

amdxborg

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Aug 27, 2002
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For anybody considering to run Boinc on a network with a number of pcs, Boincview is a great monitoring program and it works pretty sweet!

It gives you all the Boinc Manager functions for each pc running Boinc on your pc and you can change anything as if you were sitting infront of the other pc. :D
 
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GLeeM

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Apr 2, 2004
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About running Folding@Home on 700 PSs:

I went to the F@H forum, asked a question, and got an answer from who I hoped would answer (the #1 folder in the world until recently). Here is the thread.

He also gives a link to the new #1's install method.

And offers to personally help if need be.
 
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mondobyte

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Originally posted by: Rattledagger
Originally posted by: mondobyte
So ... now I am looking for a new project ...

Requirements:
Active Directory/Network Server friendly
About a 100-700 computers on tap ... depending on administration loading

Any suggestions?
Click to expand...

BOINC has built-in service-install, caching, multi-cpu-support, is multi-project and crediting comparable across projects.

You can customize the installation and deploy with active directory, see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/win_install.php

Net-connection, either direct or through proxy.

Many projects to choose from, see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ for a list of "released" projects, there's also some alpha/beta-projects not listed here it's possible to choose from...

Adding a new project later can easily be done.
Just "attach" on one computer, and afterwards copy example account_predictor.scripps.edu.xml from BOINC-directory to all the other computers, and re-start the BOINC-service.
To stop running a project, just delete the corresponding account_*.xml file, and re-start BOINC.


Appart for ocassional BOINC-client-upgrades, science-applications is automatically downloaded so appart for initial setup there's not much administratiion to do...

To monitor, you can use tools like BoincView to check on many computer at once.
You can also if desired check on a projects web-site, the computer-listing is sorted after "last connected" so can easily spot a computer stopped working.

Preferences is web-based, so can very easily change them for all computers at once. You can have 4 preferences you'll group computers into, default, home, work, school.

Based on preferences you can control resource-share between multiple projects, max disk-usage and so on, how much work to cache, limit crunching to example only between 18-06, pause crunching while user active, only use net-connection between example 24-06, if desirable limit bandwith-usage to x KB up and y KB down.


The "released" projects are:
Biology:
Predictor@home
Rosetta@home
World Community Grid (currently linux only)
Physics:
Einstein@home
Particle Physics
LHC@home
SETI:
SETI@Home
Weather:
Climateprediction.net

Some upcoming projects currently in alpha/beta includes:
BURP
Folding@home
Orbit@home
Planetquest
The Lattice Project



Oh, and lastly, can someone kick the forum-server... :evil:
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does anyone have a URL for the ORBIT@HOME or Planetquest projects ?
 
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mrwizer

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Nov 7, 2004
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Please inform on how it goes. I am not sure what type of machines you have, but CPDN always caused issues with my lower end comps. Perhaps it was just me though. Either way, glad to see you on BOINC projects. :)
 
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Smoke

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Cheers 'n :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:s to a great TeAm Mate. :D

Whatever you choose is just fine by me. :)
 
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mondobyte

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Originally posted by: Spacehead
Mondo,
If you don't already know, i do a weekly, all BOINC projects stats thread. I try as best i can to list all BOINC projects in with their home pages, even projects not yet released.

Take a look at last weeks thread for more info
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I saw that ... but many thanks for bringing that to the attention of others who may be watching this thread.

A question: Of the BOINC projects, which one(s) have the lightest touch on the client. I find that CPDN leaves the client computer a bit ... um .... chunky and slow ...

I would like a few opinions so I may find some sort of consensus from folks .... I need to find one that WILL NOT interfere with the use of the computer. FaD was wonderful at this!

Mondo

 
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mrwizer

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Mondo, that was the issue I also had with CPDN. Although I love the project, it interfers with my users way too much. For me, I have found Einstein to play very nicely with everything. low memory footprint. Next behind that would probably be S@H. Rosetta was alright, but the memory is much higher (along with some other issues, but none that would effect the end users).
 
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Rattledagger

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Originally posted by: mondobyte
A question: Of the BOINC projects, which one(s) have the lightest touch on the client. I find that CPDN leaves the client computer a bit ... um .... chunky and slow ...

I would like a few opinions so I may find some sort of consensus from folks .... I need to find one that WILL NOT interfere with the use of the computer. FaD was wonderful at this!
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Well, to get work at all from the different projects, you needs to meet these requirements:
CPDN, 64MB memory, disk 650MB for "normal" model, 1229 for Sulphur cycle model.
Einstein@home, 66.76MB memory, disk 96MB.
LHC@home, 57.22MB memory, disk 29MB
Predictor@home, 71.53MB memory, disk 153MB.
Rosetta@home, 95.37MB memory, disk 191MB.
SETI@Home, 64MB memory, disk 0.489MB.

Since a little bit of memory always is "lost" in BIOS and so on, you in reality needs atleast 65MB installed memory to get work from Seti and CPDN.


How much a project actually uses is another matter. For disk, the only mentionable is CPDN Sulphur cycle at it's peak uses more than 1.2GB, not sure how much more but maybe upto 2-3 GB. The other projects uses less than the disk-limits, so shouldn't be a problem.


For memory, CPDN and Predictor@home uses close to their limits, Rosetta@home is using less than the limit at start of a wu, but the last 12% or something it can jump to over 150MB. LHC@home is 45MB or something, while Einstein@home is below 10MB. Lastly, SETI@Home uses 24MB.


Priority, BOINC-applications should run on idle priority, and should therefore not interfere with other programs. But, earlier the applications was running on low priority, and not all projects has upgraded their applications resently...
CPDN Sulphur cycle and SETI@Home runs on idle, priority 1... Well, except for some "optimized" seti-applications that runs at priority 2...
Einstein@home runs on low, priority 2.
Haven't tested resently, but AFAIK Predictor@home runs on low, priority 4.
Not sure on Rosetta@home, but atleast it's so new application so if they haven't screwed-up the compilation it's running on idle...
LHC@home is probably 2 or 4, depending on how old it is...

Of course, even if science-application runs on idle priority, it is some badly-programmed programs relying on idle priority also, so can't guarantee there's no interference...


Oh, and not to forget, there's now also another released project, World Community Grid, but since they're only having a linux-client it's not really an usable option...

 
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Freewolf

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Mondo I put Rosetta at home on my main rig at home I can't tell a different between it and fad as far as using the machine and the feel of the machine. It's been working great for me.
I also did two installs of the latest non beta service version of Folding on my girl's machine . A 2.8 P4 with ht and 512 megs of pc3200 and unless you check task manager you can't tell it's even on there.
 
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mondobyte

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Thank you both for your wise counsel ...

My CPDN test machine is on a sulphur cycle wu ... gonna take eons to finish it too ...

I've got a quad processor 3.6 XEON (2MB! & HT TOO!) that I have permission to "test drive" BOINC on ... I want it to be an overwhelming positive experience for very obvious reasons. If that experience goes very well .. then I will have permission to distribute BOINC to all computers via AD ... (includes 3 other identical servers!!!!) ...

Again thanks ....

This site would be a new one ... a big "cherry" if I can prove the concept ... The fact that I have a "test" approved is an extremely positive and favorable indication ... after all ... in nearly all cases, I get smoked just on the mention of running something "unnecessary" ...
 
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Rattledagger

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Originally posted by: mondobyte
My CPDN test machine is on a sulphur cycle wu ... gonna take eons to finish it too ...

I've got a quad processor 3.6 XEON (2MB! & HT TOO!) that I have permission to "test drive" BOINC on ... I want it to be an overwhelming positive experience for very obvious reasons. If that experience goes very well .. then I will have permission to distribute BOINC to all computers via AD ... (includes 3 other identical servers!!!!) ...
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Hmm, 4xHT, remember to set general preference "On multiprocessors, use at most N processors" to atleast 8...


As for a test-drive, Einstein@home has very low memory-usage, so 8 instances will only use 64MB or something. Also, while CPDN and SETI@Home can be heavily influenced by memory-bandwith, Einstein@home is much less dependent on memory-bandwith.
Einstein@home has a slight disadvantage by running on higher priority, so a possibility is to limit to 7 cpu's instead...

Einstein@home downloads a 8MB wu-file that normally is used for multiple results, so can take weeks between each large download.


SETI@Home is the 2nd choise for a test-drive, with 8 instances you'll use 200MB memory. But, with so many instances on one computer it is a chance you'll kill the memory-bandwith...
Since SETI@Home runs at idle priority, it shouldn't interfere with anything, except if you're running out of memory-bandwith...

Not sure how fast a 3.6GHz Xeon-HT can do a result, but let's say 2h/result, meaning 96 results/day. This means 34MB/day downloaded.
With upto 700 computers, if it's single-cpu and each uses 2h/result this gives 3GB/day, or you'll use 280kbit/s.



Anyway, Seti_Enhanced will "soon" be released, taking over for the current SETI@Home/BOINC-application, and this will normally use 10x the crunch-time, and this again means net-usage drops to 28kbit/s.
Seti_Enhanced will according to info decrease the memory-requirement to get work to 32MB, but on computers with more than 64MB memory it will actually use 61MB...

 
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