**ATTENTION 3DFX USERS**
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I still have a Voodoo 3 3000 AGP in my sister's computer, and it could really use some WinXP support 
<< People still use 3DFX? >>
<< People still use 3DFX? >>
I just replaced my V5 with a Radeon 8500. It was a good card while I had it, but it simply can't keep up visually and performance wise anymore. Not really worth fighting the driver support problem... although I did find some pretty good hacked drivers for XP.
I have you all beat:
Voodoo2 8Mb in my main system. So ha.
You have lowered the bar for us all sir.
Voodoo2 8Mb in my main system. So ha.
You have lowered the bar for us all sir.
I gave my bro my old PC that had a V5 5500 several months ago. If they make some good V5 drivers for XP, maybe I'll upgrade him from Win98.
Sad thing is, even if 3DFX had survived we may be in a similar situation with drivers for the V3 line. Or XP drivers would certainly be the last set they produced.
Why is that?
Ok, sure, someone tell me it's obsolete. Then someone pipe up and start yelling crap real loud to describe parts more than a month old and the people who use them. Finally someone will come along and accuse those who use older parts of holding everyone else back. Yes, I realize this is an "enthusiast" site, yet look how quickly people even here were to respond and say they're still using these cards.
But, with total disregard to those nitwits, why do the rest of us as a consumer force allow ourselves to be treated like this? What other products do you buy that you only get to use as long as the manufacturer feels is a reasonable time? True, a Voodoo 3 card isn't a cutting edge game card anymore. But for people who only want to play the games they bought at the same time as the card, why are they stuck with Windows 9x?
I have a Canopus Total 3D video card in my spare machine. Has composite and S-video in and out connectors. Now while I can use it in Windows 2000 or XP as a straight video card, there aren't any drivers for it (that I can find, last I found anywhere were for NT4) that would allow me to use all the functions on it. Is it cutting edge? Heh, hardly. Is it even reasonably decent compared to new stuff? Nope. Does it still work? Yup. But it's a 4 year old product, and since it's assumed nobody in their right mind would use anything 4 years old there's no consumer demand to force a manufacturer into providing support.
A 1998 car is just about as useful as a new one. A 1998 VCR still records. But in those cases we pay for the ongoing support, if the car or vcr break we buy the parts to fix it or it's paid for under a warranty built into the product price. And that's fine. Ongoing support of computer hardware isn't about parts, it's about software, and there's the problem. We accept the warranty to cover physical defects like with other products, but we LET companies off the hook by not including software upgrades as part of it. Computers (or other programmable/evolving products) are unique in that they require this software to make them work, I say they're unique in that the software should be part of the warranty. And yet even with new products driver support can be shotty with no consumer recourse other than to buy from a different company - which has no more responsibility to you than the last one.
I guess I'm just venting, not going to start a movement for better support of computer hardware. Don't even expect anyone to agree with me. Just pisses me off that others get to have control over how long I use products I buy, or how I use them. A guy with a 20 year old Beta VCR can still record the latest shows on it, but a guy with a 2 year old video card has to buy a new one or forfeit much of it's usefulness if he changes operating systems.
I am glad to see someone's stepping up to provide what the manufacturers themselves should have done.
--Mc
Why is that?
Ok, sure, someone tell me it's obsolete. Then someone pipe up and start yelling crap real loud to describe parts more than a month old and the people who use them. Finally someone will come along and accuse those who use older parts of holding everyone else back. Yes, I realize this is an "enthusiast" site, yet look how quickly people even here were to respond and say they're still using these cards.
But, with total disregard to those nitwits, why do the rest of us as a consumer force allow ourselves to be treated like this? What other products do you buy that you only get to use as long as the manufacturer feels is a reasonable time? True, a Voodoo 3 card isn't a cutting edge game card anymore. But for people who only want to play the games they bought at the same time as the card, why are they stuck with Windows 9x?
I have a Canopus Total 3D video card in my spare machine. Has composite and S-video in and out connectors. Now while I can use it in Windows 2000 or XP as a straight video card, there aren't any drivers for it (that I can find, last I found anywhere were for NT4) that would allow me to use all the functions on it. Is it cutting edge? Heh, hardly. Is it even reasonably decent compared to new stuff? Nope. Does it still work? Yup. But it's a 4 year old product, and since it's assumed nobody in their right mind would use anything 4 years old there's no consumer demand to force a manufacturer into providing support.
A 1998 car is just about as useful as a new one. A 1998 VCR still records. But in those cases we pay for the ongoing support, if the car or vcr break we buy the parts to fix it or it's paid for under a warranty built into the product price. And that's fine. Ongoing support of computer hardware isn't about parts, it's about software, and there's the problem. We accept the warranty to cover physical defects like with other products, but we LET companies off the hook by not including software upgrades as part of it. Computers (or other programmable/evolving products) are unique in that they require this software to make them work, I say they're unique in that the software should be part of the warranty. And yet even with new products driver support can be shotty with no consumer recourse other than to buy from a different company - which has no more responsibility to you than the last one.
I guess I'm just venting, not going to start a movement for better support of computer hardware. Don't even expect anyone to agree with me. Just pisses me off that others get to have control over how long I use products I buy, or how I use them. A guy with a 20 year old Beta VCR can still record the latest shows on it, but a guy with a 2 year old video card has to buy a new one or forfeit much of it's usefulness if he changes operating systems.
I am glad to see someone's stepping up to provide what the manufacturers themselves should have done.
--Mc
<< I gave my bro my old PC that had a V5 5500 several months ago. If they make some good V5 drivers for XP, maybe I'll upgrade him from Win98. >>
I have the same voodoo card and I had Windows XP and my voodoo worked great. I still like my V5.
lmao
<< I have you all beat:
Voodoo2 8Mb in my main system. So ha.
You have lowered the bar for us all sir. >>
<< I have you all beat:
Voodoo2 8Mb in my main system. So ha.
You have lowered the bar for us all sir.
>>I'm happy someone said that... now, to atleast give nvidia some credit, they do have excellent driver support, for even as old as a tnt.
<< Sad thing is, even if 3DFX had survived we may be in a similar situation with drivers for the V3 line. Or XP drivers would certainly be the last set they produced.
Why is that?
Ok, sure, someone tell me it's obsolete. Then someone pipe up and start yelling crap real loud to describe parts more than a month old and the people who use them. Finally someone will come along and accuse those who use older parts of holding everyone else back. Yes, I realize this is an "enthusiast" site, yet look how quickly people even here were to respond and say they're still using these cards.
But, with total disregard to those nitwits, why do the rest of us as a consumer force allow ourselves to be treated like this? What other products do you buy that you only get to use as long as the manufacturer feels is a reasonable time? True, a Voodoo 3 card isn't a cutting edge game card anymore. But for people who only want to play the games they bought at the same time as the card, why are they stuck with Windows 9x?
I have a Canopus Total 3D video card in my spare machine. Has composite and S-video in and out connectors. Now while I can use it in Windows 2000 or XP as a straight video card, there aren't any drivers for it (that I can find, last I found anywhere were for NT4) that would allow me to use all the functions on it. Is it cutting edge? Heh, hardly. Is it even reasonably decent compared to new stuff? Nope. Does it still work? Yup. But it's a 4 year old product, and since it's assumed nobody in their right mind would use anything 4 years old there's no consumer demand to force a manufacturer into providing support.
A 1998 car is just about as useful as a new one. A 1998 VCR still records. But in those cases we pay for the ongoing support, if the car or vcr break we buy the parts to fix it or it's paid for under a warranty built into the product price. And that's fine. Ongoing support of computer hardware isn't about parts, it's about software, and there's the problem. We accept the warranty to cover physical defects like with other products, but we LET companies off the hook by not including software upgrades as part of it. Computers (or other programmable/evolving products) are unique in that they require this software to make them work, I say they're unique in that the software should be part of the warranty. And yet even with new products driver support can be shotty with no consumer recourse other than to buy from a different company - which has no more responsibility to you than the last one.
I guess I'm just venting, not going to start a movement for better support of computer hardware. Don't even expect anyone to agree with me. Just pisses me off that others get to have control over how long I use products I buy, or how I use them. A guy with a 20 year old Beta VCR can still record the latest shows on it, but a guy with a 2 year old video card has to buy a new one or forfeit much of it's usefulness if he changes operating systems.
I am glad to see someone's stepping up to provide what the manufacturers themselves should have done.
--Mc >>
<< Sad thing is, even if 3DFX had survived we may be in a similar situation with drivers for the V3 line. Or XP drivers would certainly be the last set they produced.
Why is that?
Ok, sure, someone tell me it's obsolete. Then someone pipe up and start yelling crap real loud to describe parts more than a month old and the people who use them. Finally someone will come along and accuse those who use older parts of holding everyone else back. Yes, I realize this is an "enthusiast" site, yet look how quickly people even here were to respond and say they're still using these cards.
But, with total disregard to those nitwits, why do the rest of us as a consumer force allow ourselves to be treated like this? What other products do you buy that you only get to use as long as the manufacturer feels is a reasonable time? True, a Voodoo 3 card isn't a cutting edge game card anymore. But for people who only want to play the games they bought at the same time as the card, why are they stuck with Windows 9x?
I have a Canopus Total 3D video card in my spare machine. Has composite and S-video in and out connectors. Now while I can use it in Windows 2000 or XP as a straight video card, there aren't any drivers for it (that I can find, last I found anywhere were for NT4) that would allow me to use all the functions on it. Is it cutting edge? Heh, hardly. Is it even reasonably decent compared to new stuff? Nope. Does it still work? Yup. But it's a 4 year old product, and since it's assumed nobody in their right mind would use anything 4 years old there's no consumer demand to force a manufacturer into providing support.
A 1998 car is just about as useful as a new one. A 1998 VCR still records. But in those cases we pay for the ongoing support, if the car or vcr break we buy the parts to fix it or it's paid for under a warranty built into the product price. And that's fine. Ongoing support of computer hardware isn't about parts, it's about software, and there's the problem. We accept the warranty to cover physical defects like with other products, but we LET companies off the hook by not including software upgrades as part of it. Computers (or other programmable/evolving products) are unique in that they require this software to make them work, I say they're unique in that the software should be part of the warranty. And yet even with new products driver support can be shotty with no consumer recourse other than to buy from a different company - which has no more responsibility to you than the last one.
I guess I'm just venting, not going to start a movement for better support of computer hardware. Don't even expect anyone to agree with me. Just pisses me off that others get to have control over how long I use products I buy, or how I use them. A guy with a 20 year old Beta VCR can still record the latest shows on it, but a guy with a 2 year old video card has to buy a new one or forfeit much of it's usefulness if he changes operating systems.
I am glad to see someone's stepping up to provide what the manufacturers themselves should have done.
--Mc >>
McCarthy,
A lot of it has to do with us wanting more and more realism out of the PC video system. Besides, many companies do provide good support for a number of years on their products.
Nvidia has drivers out that allow their TNT2 to run with Windows XP, that card is something like 4-5 years old which is an eternity in the PC world.
A lot of it has to do with us wanting more and more realism out of the PC video system. Besides, many companies do provide good support for a number of years on their products.
Nvidia has drivers out that allow their TNT2 to run with Windows XP, that card is something like 4-5 years old which is an eternity in the PC world.
Nvidia has done a very nice job with their driver support and longevity. Forgot to give them credit there.
The Canopus card I mentioned uses a Riva 128 chip so Nvidia's drivers should take care of that portion of the card if I wanted to switch to W2K/XP , but the in/out ports require more than the basic drivers and that's where Canopus (who are still in business, just abandoned one segment of the market) let it's customers down. In their particular case they've had the Win9x drivers unavailable for months because they don't allow them to be downloaded from their FTP. They're there, just not available. Had to get them from someone's page in Japan when I redid the system awhile back. Probably some way to get it all working, but that's wasn't the point. Those solutions again would likely be coming from good natured enthusiasts willing to share their time and work with others, not the people who benefitted from the sale of the hardware.
--Mc
The Canopus card I mentioned uses a Riva 128 chip so Nvidia's drivers should take care of that portion of the card if I wanted to switch to W2K/XP , but the in/out ports require more than the basic drivers and that's where Canopus (who are still in business, just abandoned one segment of the market) let it's customers down. In their particular case they've had the Win9x drivers unavailable for months because they don't allow them to be downloaded from their FTP. They're there, just not available. Had to get them from someone's page in Japan when I redid the system awhile back. Probably some way to get it all working, but that's wasn't the point. Those solutions again would likely be coming from good natured enthusiasts willing to share their time and work with others, not the people who benefitted from the sale of the hardware.
--Mc
The goal is to just prolong the use of the cards for the people that can't afford to buy new cards, its a sideproject for most the coders, and its for all the bros and friends that have inherited the Voodoos, the V5 still has some muscle in it, hopefully we can exploit it.. right now GL is gettin a full overhaul, a new ICD from scratch, there will be an article up soon about what to expect, and the new features added, like Anis Filtering and E.M.B.M... HEHE
right now GL is gettin a full overhaul, a new ICD from scratch, there will be an article up soon about what to expect, and the new features added, like Anis Filtering and E.M.B.M... HEHE<< Nvidia has drivers out that allow their TNT2 to run with Windows XP >>
Not terribly surprising, though, since new TNT2 cards are still readily available almost everywhere. They're the super low end M64 or Vanta cards, of course, but they use the same driver don't they?
Nvidia has drivers out that allow their TNT2 to run with Windows XP, that card is something like 4-5 years old which is an eternity in the PC world.
TNT2 was released in H1/1999, so that would only make it roughly 3 years old. Still, that's an eternity in PC world
TNT2 was released in H1/1999, so that would only make it roughly 3 years old. Still, that's an eternity in PC world
I have an AGP Geforce2 GTS and an AGP Voodoo3 3500TV. As a college student, I don't have room for a TV and it was cheaper for me just to display the TV on my monitor. The only problem with this is that when I want to game, I have to switch my cards around. Not everybody with a Voodoo is behind the times.
This is the same situation that people with Aureal chipsets in their soundcards have to deal with.
There is only grassroots support for WinXP for those cards, and they are still fine cards. I
was very happily surprised when I played with one a few months back.
There is only grassroots support for WinXP for those cards, and they are still fine cards. I
was very happily surprised when I played with one a few months back.
McCarthy your car analogy isn't really correct. A 1998 car will run on roads built in 2002 but a 1998 video card wont play most 2002 games very well. That's the price of progress. If you want to keep old hardware running for a very long time just get a console system
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