Attack on pipeline halts Iraq's oil exports

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"March 2003 - Deputy Defense Secretary Paul D. Wolfowitz told a House subcommittee in March that Iraq could generate $50 billion to $100 billion of oil revenue over the next two to three years. "We are dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction, and relatively soon," Mr. Wolfowitz said at the time."



Yeah, right...


Attack on pipeline halts Iraq's oil exports

October 19 2004 at 11:27AM

"Beiji - An attack on a pipeline in northern Iraq has halted exports of oil via Turkey, Iraq's state oil company said on Tuesday.

A huge explosion in the early hours of Tuesday destroyed the pipeline at a refinery in Beiji, around 220km north of Baghdad, a company employee confirmed.

Firefighters were battling to control the flames.

The pipeline runs from the oilfields around Kirkuk to the Turkish port of Ceyhan. - Sapa-dpa"



All a direct consequence of the Bush administration's failure to plan for the aftermath of their unnecessary invasion of Iraq.

Dig deep America, we'll be paying for the Bush administration's utter incompetence for decades. :disgust:

 

cwjerome

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Wait.. I was just reading around here that the US was evil and greedy for protecting the oil infrastructure too much! Those bastards were trying to protect oil over the people for God's sake!! Now there even worse for not doing what they weren't supposed to be doing effectively!!!

Hmmm, this is only about the 10th time in half as many days that people try to have it all ways. Do these people ever step back and see the hypocrisy, contradictions, and blind bias to their anti-Bush mongering ways? Nope... just say anything and hope it sticks!
 

cKGunslinger

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Incumbant officials can never do good in the eyes of those who disagree with them. Never. Well, unless it becomes advantageous for them to do so, then all bets are off.
 

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Originally posted by: BBond
All a direct consequence of the Bush administration's failure to plan for the aftermath of their unnecessary invasion of Iraq.

Dig deep America, we'll be paying for the Bush administration's utter incompetence for decades. :disgust:

No-one expected the Iraqi people to cut their own throats.

Resistance, yes, economic suicide, no.

 

BBond

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Originally posted by: cwjerome
Wait.. I was just reading around here that the US was evil and greedy for protecting the oil infrastructure too much! Those bastards were trying to protect oil over the people for God's sake!! Now there even worse for not doing what they weren't supposed to be doing effectively!!!

Hmmm, this is only about the 10th time in half as many days that people try to have it all ways. Do these people ever step back and see the hypocrisy, contradictions, and blind bias to their anti-Bush mongering ways? Nope... just say anything and hope it sticks!

No one has ever accused the Bush administration of protecting ANYTHING in Iraq 'too much' in light of the catastrophy their invasion of Iraq, and their incompetence in planning for the aftermath, has caused.

 

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Note that only oil flowing through Turkey is affected.

Your title implies that Iraq is no longer able to export oil. Bit misleading - learning from Dave?
 

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Originally posted by: cwjerome
Wait.. I was just reading around here that the US was evil and greedy for protecting the oil infrastructure too much! Those bastards were trying to protect oil over the people for God's sake!! Now there even worse for not doing what they weren't supposed to be doing effectively!!!

Hmmm, this is only about the 10th time in half as many days that people try to have it all ways. Do these people ever step back and see the hypocrisy, contradictions, and blind bias to their anti-Bush mongering ways? Nope... just say anything and hope it sticks!

Come on - don't sour the note. I'd hate to see those gleeful leftist faces turn sour.;)

Let them prance around if they wish. As you can see, they've already pushed the desperation button and have started their full-out attempt to over-run things.:p

<- sits back and smiles:D

CsG
 

Train

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Originally posted by: cwjerome
Wait.. I was just reading around here that the US was evil and greedy for protecting the oil infrastructure too much! Those bastards were trying to protect oil over the people for God's sake!! Now there even worse for not doing what they weren't supposed to be doing effectively!!!

Hmmm, this is only about the 10th time in half as many days that people try to have it all ways. Do these people ever step back and see the hypocrisy, contradictions, and blind bias to their anti-Bush mongering ways? Nope... just say anything and hope it sticks!
dude, I tried this logic for months, they arent even reading your post.
 

Train

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Sometimes I wonder the motives for these threads, its like the RBH Squad is almost celebrating anytime bad news comes from Iraq.

Originally copied from: RBH Lounge
Yes! another pipeline blew up, higher oil prices!, cool, lets hope things get as bad as possible so Kerry has more to blame on Bush! I dont really care about this country, our Iraq for that matter, I just want Kerry to beat Bush! And if things arent bad enough, lets spin them to be even worse, cant have any rising comsumer confidence under a republican prez, nope. cant do it.
 

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I used the title from the story I posted.

The reason I post "these threads" is because they are news. They also highlight the incompetence and hypocrisy of an administration which claims to be better able to 'protect' us from 'evildoers' while they make the world less safe through an irresponsible invasion of a country that didn't have the will or capability to threaten us.

 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: cwjerome
Wait.. I was just reading around here that the US was evil and greedy for protecting the oil infrastructure too much! Those bastards were trying to protect oil over the people for God's sake!! Now there even worse for not doing what they weren't supposed to be doing effectively!!!

Hmmm, this is only about the 10th time in half as many days that people try to have it all ways. Do these people ever step back and see the hypocrisy, contradictions, and blind bias to their anti-Bush mongering ways? Nope... just say anything and hope it sticks!
dude, I tried this logic for months, they arent even reading your post.

Yeah, it's an almosts fruitless attempt. Some of us are optomistic(and a bit stubborn;) ) and are thus still here trying to bring sanity to an insane place.

CsG
 

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Originally posted by: BBond
I used the title from the story I posted.

The reason I post "these threads" is because they are news. They also highlight the incompetence and hypocrisy of an administration which claims to be better able to 'protect' us from 'evildoers' while they make the world less safe through an irresponsible invasion of a country that didn't have the will or capability to threaten us.


:thumbsup:


 

BBond

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: cwjerome
Wait.. I was just reading around here that the US was evil and greedy for protecting the oil infrastructure too much! Those bastards were trying to protect oil over the people for God's sake!! Now there even worse for not doing what they weren't supposed to be doing effectively!!!

Hmmm, this is only about the 10th time in half as many days that people try to have it all ways. Do these people ever step back and see the hypocrisy, contradictions, and blind bias to their anti-Bush mongering ways? Nope... just say anything and hope it sticks!
dude, I tried this logic for months, they arent even reading your post.

Yeah, it's an almosts fruitless attempt. Some of us are optomistic(and a bit stubborn;) ) and are thus still here trying to bring sanity to an insane place.

CsG

The point is this. Along with the myriad lies and exaggerations we were given by the Bush administration, we were told that Iraq's oil revenue would pay for the reconstruction of the nation we were about to blow up.

People attempted to tell the Bush administration this plan wasn't all it was cracked up to be but the Bush administration was dear, dumb, and blind to any warning about their irresponsible invasion plans. They refused to plan for the aftermath of their attack and now we're seeing the results of their incompetence.

 

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BBond: "The point is this...."

No, the point is this: you and others will post anything and say anything in a desperate attempt to prove your preconceived bias... and it's often a motley conglomeration of doublespeak, contradictions, and hypocrisies.

For you sanity's sake, please don't pretend you are objectively spreading "news".... all you're doing is trying to prove a point while disproving two other rants you people were just arguing about.
 

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: cwjerome
Wait.. I was just reading around here that the US was evil and greedy for protecting the oil infrastructure too much! Those bastards were trying to protect oil over the people for God's sake!! Now there even worse for not doing what they weren't supposed to be doing effectively!!!

Hmmm, this is only about the 10th time in half as many days that people try to have it all ways. Do these people ever step back and see the hypocrisy, contradictions, and blind bias to their anti-Bush mongering ways? Nope... just say anything and hope it sticks!
dude, I tried this logic for months, they arent even reading your post.

Yeah, it's an almosts fruitless attempt. Some of us are optomistic(and a bit stubborn;) ) and are thus still here trying to bring sanity to an insane place.

CsG

The point is this. Along with the myriad lies and exaggerations we were given by the Bush administration, we were told that Iraq's oil revenue would pay for the reconstruction of the nation we were about to blow up.

People attempted to tell the Bush administration this plan wasn't all it was cracked up to be but the Bush administration was dear, dumb, and blind to any warning about their irresponsible invasion plans. They refused to plan for the aftermath of their attack and now we're seeing the results of their incompetence.

Yup, just more of the same from the Bush Admin. Has any of their Programs worked out as advertised? Tax cuts, No Child Left Behind, Iraq, anything?
 

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Originally posted by: cwjerome
BBond: "The point is this...."

No, the point is this: you and others will post anything and say anything in a desperate attempt to prove your preconceived bias... and it's often a motley conglomeration of doublespeak, contradictions, and hypocrisies.

For you sanity's sake, please don't pretend you are objectively spreading "news".... all you're doing is trying to prove a point while disproving two other rants you people were just arguing about.

You are living in fantasyland. You have company. The people who told Americans we would be greeted by Iraqis showering us with flowers are there with you.

I posted a news story about a continuing insurgency that is targeting the oil pipelines in Iraq, as well as anything else that has to do with the "liberation" of their nation. If you consider that to be "a motley conglomeration of doublespeak, contradictions, and hypocrisies" you are seriously self-deluded.

It's THE NEWS. IT IS HAPPENING AS WE SPEAK. I didn't make it up. If you refuse to face reality that's your problem.

These attacks and all the others are the result of the Bush administration's failure, after REPEATED WARNINGS, to provide the ground forces necessary to control Iraq after their ill-planned and unnecessary invasion.

Someone please call FTD. Those flowers are really late arriving.

 

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Originally posted by: cwjerome
Wait.. I was just reading around here that the US was evil and greedy for protecting the oil infrastructure too much! Those bastards were trying to protect oil over the people for God's sake!! Now there even worse for not doing what they weren't supposed to be doing effectively!!!

Hmmm, this is only about the 10th time in half as many days that people try to have it all ways. Do these people ever step back and see the hypocrisy, contradictions, and blind bias to their anti-Bush mongering ways? Nope... just say anything and hope it sticks!
If that's what you were "reading around here," then your reading comprehension has been compromised by your Bush-colored glasses.

The complaint is that the Bush war "plan" did not protect other vital infrastructure and valuable sites. The only thing they planned to protect was oil related. Everything else -- weapons sites, the nuclear facility, intelligence headquarters -- was abandoned. That was reckless and incompetent.

It's also one of the clearest signs Bush lied to invade Iraq. Bush claimed the invasion was necessary to keep WMDs from falling into the hands of terrorists, yet he did zero, zilch, nada, to secure the sites allegedly holding these massive stockpiles of WMDs. Why do you suppose that is?

Your comment is a perfect example of why no one takes you seriously when you try to portray yourself as objective and thougtful. Do you ever step back and see the "hypocrisy, contradictions, and blind bias to" your bleating Bush apologist ways? "Nope... just say anything and hope it sticks!"
 

cwjerome

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Well bowfinger, your post is an example why it's useless commenting when people don't read the words. I haven't defended Bush in this topic, I have talked about how the crazed Bush haters will say anything to score one for their cause, even if it means contradicting an argument they made yesterday. What you say represents a different type of misrepresentation and fallacy we see often... that calling me a Bush lover and/or a neocon makes it true and proves a point.

How -or actually WHY- exactly do you secure a site that has no WMDs? Is that what you wish he did, park our military at sights that were thought to have WMDs but didn't? What a wonderful use of resources! (and by him doing that you can switch positions like you all love to do and complain he was guarding facilities of no value)

I'm real sure you speak for everyone when saying nobody takes me serious. But I can factually say that I don't take you serious because you say 1) the ONLY thing they planned to protect was oil related (false), 2) ZERO was done to secure WMD sites (false), and 3) and you don't even address my point in this topic (evasion).

When people attack the admin for doing A instead of B it's a matter of debate. When the admin then does B instead Y and those people wail and complain, it's no longer a matter of debate... it's a question of exposing those people for being disengenuous frauds who will find any reason no matter how contradictory to previous statements to feed their hate.

 

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Yeah, it's an almosts fruitless attempt. Some of us are optomistic(and a bit stubborn;) ) and are thus still here trying to bring sanity to an insane place.

CsG


As you would say, sorry to break up your woe-is-me circle-jerk:

No sir, YOU are insane. When faced with overwhelming facts that there are no WMDs in Iraq for example, you just refuse to face up to reality and deny, deny, deny.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: cwjerome
Wait.. I was just reading around here that the US was evil and greedy for protecting the oil infrastructure too much! Those bastards were trying to protect oil over the people for God's sake!! Now there even worse for not doing what they weren't supposed to be doing effectively!!!


Nice try. If you can find BBond saying something to that effect, go and find it and post it here to show he is being inconsistent. You talk so much about not caring about party affiliations but here you are generalizing BBond and some other poster you equate with him because you guess they are both liberal. It's laughable! I can't tell if you are being serious or not...
 

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Nice try... really it was. It's not laughable however... it's sad. I can't tell if you are spinning my words or just can't comprehend them.

 

Infohawk

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Ummm... okay, I'll take it as you not being able to back up your 1st post.

Do these people ever step back and see the hypocrisy, contradictions, and blind bias to their anti-Bush mongering ways?

Again, what hypocrisy and contradictions are those? And who exactly are these people?
 

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Originally posted by: cwjerome
Nice try... really it was. It's not laughable however... it's sad. I can't tell if you are spinning my words or just can't comprehend them.

The news from Iraq today included a story about another in the hundreds of attacks on Iraq's oil pipelines. The Bush administration told Americans we would be greeted as liberators by Iraqis tossing flowers at us. We were told that Iraq's oil revenue would pay for the reconstruction of the nation we unnecessarily, irresponsibly invaded.

The Bush administration failed to plan for the aftermath of the invasion. They failed to provide the troops to control the nation after the fall of Saddam's regime. The result is an insurgency that is gaining in strength and blowing up, among other things, the pipelines that carry the oil that was supposed to pay for the reconstruction of Iraq.

America has lost over 1,100 of our sons and daughters, fathers and mothers, sister and brothers in Iraq. America has appropriated close to $200 BILLION we couldn't afford to fight a war we didn't need to fight all while the Bush administration completely dropped the ball in the real 'war on terror.'

Faced with these facts you choose to fabricate words I never said and ignore the truth. I'm not spinning your words, you're spinning mine. You're spinning the truth. You're right on one point, I can't comprehend that.

 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: cwjerome
Well bowfinger, your post is an example why it's useless commenting when people don't read the words.
I read your words just fine, thank you very much. You made a fallacious accusation against Bush opponents, a fact you conveniently ignore in your "rebuttal".


I haven't defended Bush in this topic, I have talked about how the crazed Bush haters will say anything to score one for their cause, even if it means contradicting an argument they made yesterday.
Except, of course, they did no such thing, as I pointed out (and you ignored).


What you say represents a different type of misrepresentation and fallacy we see often... that calling me a Bush lover and/or a neocon makes it true and proves a point.
No, your biased and baseless attacks on Bush's opponents demonstrate your support of Bush. If it walks like a parrot, and talks like a parrot ...

For the record, I did not call you a "Bush lover" or a "neocon". What was that about reading the words?


How -or actually WHY- exactly do you secure a site that has no WMDs? Is that what you wish he did, park our military at sights that were thought to have WMDs but didn't?
Hello, McFly!?! That's the point. We supposedly didn't learn there were no WMDs at these facilities until many, many months later. Remember the search team led by David Kay? Remember how they were dismayed to find that the sites on the U.S.-approved list of WMD stockpiles had been looted by the time they got there? I think you're right. I think Bush &amp; Co. knew those sites had no WMDs long before we invaded ... yet we invaded anyway. Hmmmm.

By the way, you (again) ignored the rest of my point, namely that the Bush so-called "plan" did not secure other critical sites, e.g., the weapons depots where the insurgents got the weapons that have killed hundred of our troops, the nuclear facility where IAEA-sealed drums of yellowcake were looted along with who knows what else, and the Iraqi Intelligence Ministry (or whatever it was called) where we might have recovered hard evidence of Iraq's WMD capabilities ... or lack of same.


What a wonderful use of resources!
Yes, it would have been. We might have saved hundreds of American lives and thousands of Iraqi lives.


(and by him doing that you can switch positions like you all love to do and complain he was guarding facilities of no value)
See: herring, red


I'm real sure you speak for everyone when saying nobody takes me serious. But I can factually say that I don't take you serious because you say 1) the ONLY thing they planned to protect was oil related (false),
Talk is cheap. What else did they protect besides the oil facilities and American stations/depots/etc.? Give us documented examples instead of empty rhetoric.


2) ZERO was done to secure WMD sites (false),
Because you said so? Sorry, you'll have to do better than that.


and 3) and you don't even address my point in this topic (evasion).
There's that reading problem again. I pointed out that your claim was a crock. Devoid of substance. A total distortion.

And I explained why.


When people attack the admin for doing A instead of B it's a matter of debate. When the admin then does B instead Y and those people wail and complain, it's no longer a matter of debate... it's a question of exposing those people for being disengenuous frauds who will find any reason no matter how contradictory to previous statements to feed their hate.
And we're right back where we started, with you making fallacious claims.

 

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Yeah bowfinger, tell the soldiers who were fighting and dying trying to SECURE cities, bases, and multitudes of other targets that we only protected the oil infrastructure. Tell the special forces who were on the ground at various suspected WMD sites HOURS after the invasion we devoted zero to those sites. In usual piecemeal manner, you take grains of bad news (like some WMD-related materials missing) and extrapolate it into full-scale neglects and disasters. And once again you prove my point that the zealous anti-Iraq/anti-Bush drivel is always seeking contradictory angles. You people claim there were no threats from WMD-type stuff in Iraq (and argue tooth and nail that none existed), yet you now lambast Bush because according to you he let dangerous stuff go lose and it's a threat. It's just another example out of dozens we see on the site, just like this topic BBond created. Ideas of the US devoting so much attention to oil spew forth from the drones, yet the next day they complain that we're not defending pipelines and such properly. Same old same old.... gotta have it all ways to perpetrate the hate for Bush. It's a blind seething hate that masks all truth and renders reasoning skills useless.

Bush could say the sky is blue and the anti-Bush nuts would scream that it's red. Then if Bush changes to red, they'll screech that it's yellow.


"I read your words just fine, thank you very much. You made a fallacious accusation against Bush opponents, a fact you conveniently ignore in your "rebuttal".

If you read my words just fine you'd know that my argument wasn't fallacious, a fact you conveniently ignore.


"No, your biased and baseless attacks on Bush's opponents demonstrate your support of Bush. If it walks like a parrot, and talks like a parrot ... For the record, I did not call you a "Bush lover" or a "neocon". What was that about reading the words?"

You need to explain how my attack is biased, and as I have shown they are not baseless. I am not defending Bush because it's not my job and I can care less about him. I am defending our actions, because I support them. And for the record, in a clever semantic evasion you are right that you didn't call me a "Bush lover"... but you did say I used Bush colored lenses. If it walks like a parrot, and talks like a parrot...


"Hello, McFly!?! That's the point. We supposedly didn't learn there were no WMDs at these facilities until many, many months later. Remember the search team led by David Kay? Remember how they were dismayed to find that the sites on the U.S.-approved list of WMD stockpiles had been looted by the time they got there? I think you're right. I think Bush &amp; Co. knew those sites had no WMDs long before we invaded ... yet we invaded anyway. Hmmmm.

By the way, you (again) ignored the rest of my point, namely that the Bush so-called "plan" did not secure other critical sites, e.g., the weapons depots where the insurgents got the weapons that have killed hundred of our troops, the nuclear facility where IAEA-sealed drums of yellowcake were looted along with who knows what else, and the Iraqi Intelligence Ministry (or whatever it was called) where we might have recovered hard evidence of Iraq's WMD capabilities ... or lack of same. "

Wrong again. We were learning that there were no WMDs from the first days we invaded, culminating in the recent report. There were hundreds of sites, some that we knew of and some that we didn't. Many were checked... reports of not finding expected WMDs were trickling in early on. Just because there were mistakes and some material may have been jacked doesn't automatically mean there was gross negligence and the whole occupation was flawed. That's your own Bush-hating conclusion. (by the way, how do WMD stocks get looted as you say, when you argue there were no WMDs? another contradiction... forget it)

Wrong again. The coalition confiscated and/or destroyed hundreds of tons of Iraqi armaments, but because the militias and such "melted" into the populace rather quickly, they did have stocks. In your supreme Bush-failed-at-all-costs mentality, you ask the impossible.


"Yes, it would have been. We might have saved hundreds of American lives and thousands of Iraqi lives."

I doubt guarding empty warehouses would have done that.


If you want to see general tactics and goals of the US forces invading Iraq -and understand what we were protecting and doing there- check and search the DoD website... I'm not your link monkey. Don't be so lazy and learn. And if you want to see whatever YOU want in my words, be my guest because you're awfully good at it.