Attack on giant Pakistan Buddha

[magomago]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6991058.stm

+So apparantly there must not have been that much of an issue before
+And the Eypgtions have no problems with appreciating their polytheistic heritage that practiced female sacrifice and god knows what else
+Iraqis are fiercely proud for Hammabari and the Sumerians, for the Babylonians, for the Assyrians
+Iran glorifies its pagan past for what it accomplished

Of course all those countries are majority Muslim yet you don't see the same actions going on.

Whats my point? Stupidity is amazing. The Taliban thinks everything is offensive to Islam...I'm thinking THEY are offensive to Islam

edit:

even better

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6989977.stm

the "Muslim Libyans" are taking steps to safe guard hertiage sites - all by their polytheistic ancestors xD

Oh and what is the point of me making examples of other Muslim cultures who don't run around bulldozing their past? You can take a guess

 

[The Green Bean]

hopefully soon any signs of the taliban will be eliminated.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
hopefully soon any signs of the taliban will be eliminated.

uhhh, by whom? Musharraf and Pakistan? I doubt it.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
hopefully soon any signs of the taliban will be eliminated.

uhhh, by whom? Musharraf and Pakistan? I doubt it.

Sad but true. ^^

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
hopefully soon any signs of the taliban will be eliminated.

With Iran arming them and Pakistan acting as a complacent host to the parasite - the Taliban aren't going anywhere except the capitals of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
hopefully soon any signs of the taliban will be eliminated.

With Iran arming them and Pakistan acting as a complacent host to the parasite - the Taliban aren't going anywhere except the capitals of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

HAHAHA!! You think the taliban can take on the full fury of the Pakistan army if it decides to use its full force? Their current rules of engagement includes no air cover or attacking civilian buildings. In reality Taliban have NO chance of taking over any urban center let alone the capital. The US is only making things worse by murdering innocents and making people hate them.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
hopefully soon any signs of the taliban will be eliminated.

uhhh, by whom? Musharraf and Pakistan? I doubt it.

If they can't nobody can. The resistance against anything America does after it's bloody campaigns will be 1000x greater.

 

[dahunan]

^^^ do people really die in Islam when in a war or are they all martyrs?

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
hopefully soon any signs of the taliban will be eliminated.

With Iran arming them and Pakistan acting as a complacent host to the parasite - the Taliban aren't going anywhere except the capitals of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

HAHAHA!! You think the taliban can take on the full fury of the Pakistan army if it decides to use its full force? Their current rules of engagement includes no air cover or attacking civilian buildings. In reality Taliban have NO chance of taking over any urban center let alone the capital. The US is only making things worse by murdering innocents and making people hate them.

That does not apply to your military? Either you act against the Taliban and "murder innocents and make people hate you" or you do not act against them and permit the growth of the parasite among the population. Either way you lose.

As for your military, you do not think it is infected like the rest of your population? You have to wonder how many are sympathetic to the cause.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
hopefully soon any signs of the taliban will be eliminated.

With Iran arming them and Pakistan acting as a complacent host to the parasite - the Taliban aren't going anywhere except the capitals of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

HAHAHA!! You think the taliban can take on the full fury of the Pakistan army if it decides to use its full force? Their current rules of engagement includes no air cover or attacking civilian buildings. In reality Taliban have NO chance of taking over any urban center let alone the capital. The US is only making things worse by murdering innocents and making people hate them.

That does not apply to your military? Either you act against the Taliban and "murder innocents and make people hate you" or you do not act against them and permit the growth of the parasite among the population. Either way you lose.

As for your military, you do not think it is infected like the rest of your population? You have to wonder how many are sympathetic to the cause.

As I said, we don't bomb civilian targets and do not use air cover or artillery. We will not rout out the Taliban at the cost of our civilians. Perhaps you should murder those Americans that support the American war effort to ensure nobody goes on murder sprees from your country.

Nobody supports the Taliban and their ideology except very few. It's just the fact that they hate American more for illegal wars, murders, invasions and their support of Israel. Had the US not invaded Afghanistan, they would have been far more sympathetic and it would have been far easier to find the ones really responsible for 9/11. Now the US has killed thousands of innocents making it far harder for anyone to be sympathetic for them.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
hopefully soon any signs of the taliban will be eliminated.

With Iran arming them and Pakistan acting as a complacent host to the parasite - the Taliban aren't going anywhere except the capitals of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

HAHAHA!! You think the taliban can take on the full fury of the Pakistan army if it decides to use its full force? Their current rules of engagement includes no air cover or attacking civilian buildings. In reality Taliban have NO chance of taking over any urban center let alone the capital. The US is only making things worse by murdering innocents and making people hate them.

That does not apply to your military? Either you act against the Taliban and "murder innocents and make people hate you" or you do not act against them and permit the growth of the parasite among the population. Either way you lose.

As for your military, you do not think it is infected like the rest of your population? You have to wonder how many are sympathetic to the cause.

As I said, we don't bomb civilian targets and do not use air cover or artillery. We will not rout out the Taliban at the cost of our civilians. Perhaps you should murder those Americans that support the American war effort to ensure nobody goes on murder sprees from your country.

Nobody supports the Taliban and their ideology except very few. It's just the fact that they hate American more for illegal wars, murders, invasions and their support of Israel. Had the US not invaded Afghanistan, they would have been far more sympathetic and it would have been far easier to find the ones really responsible for 9/11. Now the US has killed thousands of innocents making it far harder for anyone to be sympathetic for them.

Rest assured, and I know I've told you this before, but if Pakistan does not act soon, then the rest of the world will have to do it for them. That choice is fast approaching...

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
hopefully soon any signs of the taliban will be eliminated.

With Iran arming them and Pakistan acting as a complacent host to the parasite - the Taliban aren't going anywhere except the capitals of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

HAHAHA!! You think the taliban can take on the full fury of the Pakistan army if it decides to use its full force? Their current rules of engagement includes no air cover or attacking civilian buildings. In reality Taliban have NO chance of taking over any urban center let alone the capital. The US is only making things worse by murdering innocents and making people hate them.

That does not apply to your military? Either you act against the Taliban and "murder innocents and make people hate you" or you do not act against them and permit the growth of the parasite among the population. Either way you lose.

As for your military, you do not think it is infected like the rest of your population? You have to wonder how many are sympathetic to the cause.

As I said, we don't bomb civilian targets and do not use air cover or artillery. We will not rout out the Taliban at the cost of our civilians. Perhaps you should murder those Americans that support the American war effort to ensure nobody goes on murder sprees from your country.

Nobody supports the Taliban and their ideology except very few. It's just the fact that they hate American more for illegal wars, murders, invasions and their support of Israel. Had the US not invaded Afghanistan, they would have been far more sympathetic and it would have been far easier to find the ones really responsible for 9/11. Now the US has killed thousands of innocents making it far harder for anyone to be sympathetic for them.

Rest assured, and I know I've told you this before, but if Pakistan does not act soon, then the rest of the world will have to do it for them. That choice is fast approaching...

Rest assured and I know I've told you this before, but Pakistan will never allow that to happen. If they do it by force, then I'm afraid we will first have to fight off the invader.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
hopefully soon any signs of the taliban will be eliminated.

With Iran arming them and Pakistan acting as a complacent host to the parasite - the Taliban aren't going anywhere except the capitals of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

HAHAHA!! You think the taliban can take on the full fury of the Pakistan army if it decides to use its full force? Their current rules of engagement includes no air cover or attacking civilian buildings. In reality Taliban have NO chance of taking over any urban center let alone the capital. The US is only making things worse by murdering innocents and making people hate them.

That does not apply to your military? Either you act against the Taliban and "murder innocents and make people hate you" or you do not act against them and permit the growth of the parasite among the population. Either way you lose.

As for your military, you do not think it is infected like the rest of your population? You have to wonder how many are sympathetic to the cause.

As I said, we don't bomb civilian targets and do not use air cover or artillery. We will not rout out the Taliban at the cost of our civilians. Perhaps you should murder those Americans that support the American war effort to ensure nobody goes on murder sprees from your country.

Nobody supports the Taliban and their ideology except very few. It's just the fact that they hate American more for illegal wars, murders, invasions and their support of Israel. Had the US not invaded Afghanistan, they would have been far more sympathetic and it would have been far easier to find the ones really responsible for 9/11. Now the US has killed thousands of innocents making it far harder for anyone to be sympathetic for them.

Hate to break it to you buddy, but if a plane loaded with American civilians was on a crash course for the white house, it would be shot down. And do you recall (probably not) David Koresh in Waco, Texas? Where alternatives exist to defeat the enemy without civilian casualties, US forces will endeavor to use those alternatives. That is why the surgical 2003 Shock and Awe (ugh) attack on Baghdad didn't level the entire city, which would have been much easier, and was how war used to be conducted (see firebombing of Dresden, Hiroshima & Nagasaki).

So if a terrorist sets up shop in a civilian locale and launches rockets from there hoping he'll be safe, it's up to the people around him who have allowed him to remain there to get rid of him, or be victims of collateral damage.

The US does not intentionally target civilians.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Rest assured, and I know I've told you this before, but if Pakistan does not act soon, then the rest of the world will have to do it for them. That choice is fast approaching...

Hold on now, even though two Democratic candidates talk the talk of invading Pakistan, that does not constitute us doing it let alone the "rest of the world". I propose to you the notion that unless Pakistan or the Taliban act aggressively against a western country then no action shall be taken against them.

Why would you think otherwise?

Moreover, don?t we have bigger fish to fry in Iran and Syria?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
hopefully soon any signs of the taliban will be eliminated.

With Iran arming them and Pakistan acting as a complacent host to the parasite - the Taliban aren't going anywhere except the capitals of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

HAHAHA!! You think the taliban can take on the full fury of the Pakistan army if it decides to use its full force? Their current rules of engagement includes no air cover or attacking civilian buildings. In reality Taliban have NO chance of taking over any urban center let alone the capital. The US is only making things worse by murdering innocents and making people hate them.

That does not apply to your military? Either you act against the Taliban and "murder innocents and make people hate you" or you do not act against them and permit the growth of the parasite among the population. Either way you lose.

As for your military, you do not think it is infected like the rest of your population? You have to wonder how many are sympathetic to the cause.

As I said, we don't bomb civilian targets and do not use air cover or artillery. We will not rout out the Taliban at the cost of our civilians. Perhaps you should murder those Americans that support the American war effort to ensure nobody goes on murder sprees from your country.

Nobody supports the Taliban and their ideology except very few. It's just the fact that they hate American more for illegal wars, murders, invasions and their support of Israel. Had the US not invaded Afghanistan, they would have been far more sympathetic and it would have been far easier to find the ones really responsible for 9/11. Now the US has killed thousands of innocents making it far harder for anyone to be sympathetic for them.

Rest assured, and I know I've told you this before, but if Pakistan does not act soon, then the rest of the world will have to do it for them. That choice is fast approaching...

Rest assured and I know I've told you this before, but Pakistan will never allow that to happen. If they do it by force, then I'm afraid we will first have to fight off the invader.

LOL... you are assuming that you'd even be able to find out guys on the ground. Annihilating the Taliban in NW Pakistan would NOT require an "invasion," rather, all we need is our SOF and USAF to handle them one village at a time until every Taliban safehold is a steaming pile of rubble.

And Pakistan can't/won't do jack-shit to stop us.

That said, I'd give everything I own to see Pakistan take care of the Taliban themselves. But, I just don't think they are capable of doing so, or willing to even try.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
LOL... you are assuming that you'd even be able to find out guys on the ground. Annihilating the Taliban in NW Pakistan would NOT require an "invasion," rather, all we need is our SOF and USAF to handle them one village at a time until every Taliban safehold is a steaming pile of rubble.

And Pakistan can't/won't do jack-shit to stop us.

That said, I'd give everything I own to see Pakistan take care of the Taliban themselves. But, I just don't think they are capable of doing so, or willing to even try.

All that will do is make the taliban move out of the mountains into our cities. Then what?

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: palehorse74
LOL... you are assuming that you'd even be able to find out guys on the ground. Annihilating the Taliban in NW Pakistan would NOT require an "invasion," rather, all we need is our SOF and USAF to handle them one village at a time until every Taliban safehold is a steaming pile of rubble.

And Pakistan can't/won't do jack-shit to stop us.

That said, I'd give everything I own to see Pakistan take care of the Taliban themselves. But, I just don't think they are capable of doing so, or willing to even try.

All that will do is make the taliban move out of the mountains into our cities. Then what?

The great purge.

 

[Aimster]

The U.S couldn't even get them out of Afghanistan and people here are crying about Pakistan doing it.

I laugh.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: palehorse74
LOL... you are assuming that you'd even be able to find out guys on the ground. Annihilating the Taliban in NW Pakistan would NOT require an "invasion," rather, all we need is our SOF and USAF to handle them one village at a time until every Taliban safehold is a steaming pile of rubble.

And Pakistan can't/won't do jack-shit to stop us.

That said, I'd give everything I own to see Pakistan take care of the Taliban themselves. But, I just don't think they are capable of doing so, or willing to even try.

All that will do is make the taliban move out of the mountains into our cities. Then what?

Maybe act like men and fight to throw them out?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: palehorse74
LOL... you are assuming that you'd even be able to find out guys on the ground. Annihilating the Taliban in NW Pakistan would NOT require an "invasion," rather, all we need is our SOF and USAF to handle them one village at a time until every Taliban safehold is a steaming pile of rubble.

And Pakistan can't/won't do jack-shit to stop us.

That said, I'd give everything I own to see Pakistan take care of the Taliban themselves. But, I just don't think they are capable of doing so, or willing to even try.

All that will do is make the taliban move out of the mountains into our cities. Then what?

You've hit on the best part of the plan.. at that point, they'll be too far away from Afghanistan to continue hindering NATO efforts, annnnd, here's the brilliant part, Pakistan will be FORCED to deal with them! HA!

good stuff!

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Rest assured, and I know I've told you this before, but if Pakistan does not act soon, then the rest of the world will have to do it for them. That choice is fast approaching...

Hold on now, even though two Democratic candidates talk the talk of invading Pakistan, that does not constitute us doing it let alone the "rest of the world". I propose to you the notion that unless Pakistan or the Taliban act aggressively against a western country then no action shall be taken against them.

Why would you think otherwise?

Moreover, don?t we have bigger fish to fry in Iran and Syria?

WTF did Iran or Syria have to do with 9/11???

 

[Craig234]

Back to the OP, the issue isn't a particular religious fundamentalism, it's fundamentalism. We have our own 'American Theocracy' advocates who would happily make America an officially Christian nation just as the Islamic fundamentalists want to and do.

I was just reading tonight about the history of when the Christian fundamentalists gained power in 4th century Rome, and quickly burned the libraries of Pagan scientific books and led the society into centuries of the 'dark ages'. It's fundamentalists, not a particular religion. And yes, it's despicable and deserves to be opposed.

It seems contradictory to people that they pick one religion and yet oppose that religion being ubiquitous by protecting the rights of 'wrong' religions, but there you have it, that's what liberal values require.

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: Craig234
Back to the OP, the issue isn't a particular religious fundamentalism, it's fundamentalism. We have our own 'American Theocracy' advocates who would happily make America an officially Christian nation just as the Islamic fundamentalists want to and do.

I was just reading tonight about the history of when the Christian fundamentalists gained power in 4th century Rome, and quickly burned the libraries of Pagan scientific books and led the society into centuries of the 'dark ages'. It's fundamentalists, not a particular religion. And yes, it's despicable and deserves to be opposed.

It seems contradictory to people that they pick one religion and yet oppose that religion being ubiquitous by protecting the rights of 'wrong' religions, but there you have it, that's what liberal values require.

That is not accurate:
I posted about in off topic and copied it here.

Originally posted by: 1prophet

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Stupid Romans took away my flying car :|

I think the blame lies more with the Christians. The single largest destruction of knowledge was the burning of the Library of Alexandria. Besides, the Romans encouraged development.

It's all fun and games to blame christians but the truth is a little different.

The Serapeum once housed part of the Library, but it is not known how many, if any, books were contained in it at the time of destruction. Notably, the passage by Socrates Scholasticus, unlike that of Ammianus Marcellinus, makes no clear reference to a library or library contents being destroyed, only to religious objects being destroyed. The pagan author Eunapius of Sardis witnessed the demolition, and though he detested Christians, and was a scholar, his account of the Serapeum's destruction makes no mention of any library. In short, there is simply no evidence whatsoever to support the contention that Christians destroyed the Library. Paulus Orosius admitted in the sixth book of his History against the pagans: "Today there exist in temples book chests which we ourselves have seen, and, when these temples were plundered, these, we are told, were emptied by our own men in our time, which, indeed, is a true statement." But Orosius is not here discussing the Serapeum, nor is it clear who "our own men" are (the phrase may mean no more than "men of our time," since we know from contemporary sources that pagans also occasionally plundered temples).

Most of the knowledge of the ancient world was stored in Baghdad during the Islamic golden age and it was destroyed by the Mongols. They threw so many books into the Tigris river that it turned black from the ink. That set the whole middle east and western world back a few centuries and it was done by Mongols not christians.

Sack of Baghdad House of Wisdom

As far as damage done, the sack of Baghdad by the Mongols made the Sack of Rome (410) sack of Rome by Alaric look kindly. The House of Wisdom Grand Library of Baghdad, containing countless precious historical documents and books on subjects ranging from medicine to astronomy, was destroyed. Survivors said that the waters of the Tigris ran black with ink from the enormous quantities of books flung into the river. Citizens attempted to flee, but were intercepted by Mongol soldiers who raped and killed with abandon.

Although death counts vary widely and cannot be easily substantiated, a number of estimates do exist. Martin Sicker writes that close to 90,000 people may have died (Sicker 2000, p. 111). Other estimates go much higher. Muslim historian Abdullah Wassaf claims the loss of life was several hundred thousand or more. Ian Frazier of The New Yorker estimates of the death toll have ranged from 200,000 to a million.

The Mongols looted and then destroyed. Mosques, palaces, libraries, hospitals ? grand buildings that had been the work of generations were burned to the ground. The caliph was captured and forced to watch as his citizens were murdered and his treasury plundered. The caliph was trampled to death. Marco Polo reports that Hulagu starved the caliph to death, but there is no corroborating evidence for that. Most historians believe the Mongol accounts (and Muslim) that the Mongols rolled the caliph up in a rug, and rode their horses over him, as they believed that the earth was offended if touched by royal blood. All of his sons but one were killed. Prior to this, the Mongols destroyed a city only if it had resisted them. Cities that capitulated at the first demand for surrender could usually expect to be spared. Cities that surrendered after a short fight, such as this, normally could expect a sack, but not complete devastation. The utter ferocity of the rape of Baghdad is the worst example of Mongol excess known. (It is said some Chinese cities suffered a similar fate, but this is not documented).

Baghdad was a depopulated, ruined city for several centuries and only gradually recovered something of its former glory. Of all the Mongol Khans, he is, for obvious reasons, the most feared and despised.

Even today, Baghdad residence invoke Hulagu Khan's name as the war and occupation wage on. Several terrorist, militant and insurgent groups refer to U.S. President George W. Bush as a modern day Hulagu Khan.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
hopefully soon any signs of the taliban will be eliminated.

With Iran arming them and Pakistan acting as a complacent host to the parasite - the Taliban aren't going anywhere except the capitals of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

HAHAHA!! You think the taliban can take on the full fury of the Pakistan army if it decides to use its full force? Their current rules of engagement includes no air cover or attacking civilian buildings. In reality Taliban have NO chance of taking over any urban center let alone the capital. The US is only making things worse by murdering innocents and making people hate them.

They may not be taking over the capital but they sure are blowing a lot of stuff up. So Pakistan's choices are take the kid gloves off the military and let them eradicate the militants or continue to allow the militants to blow up business and history that are un-Islamic.

We already know what they will choose.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
hopefully soon any signs of the taliban will be eliminated.

With Iran arming them and Pakistan acting as a complacent host to the parasite - the Taliban aren't going anywhere except the capitals of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

HAHAHA!! You think the taliban can take on the full fury of the Pakistan army if it decides to use its full force? Their current rules of engagement includes no air cover or attacking civilian buildings. In reality Taliban have NO chance of taking over any urban center let alone the capital. The US is only making things worse by murdering innocents and making people hate them.

That does not apply to your military? Either you act against the Taliban and "murder innocents and make people hate you" or you do not act against them and permit the growth of the parasite among the population. Either way you lose.

As for your military, you do not think it is infected like the rest of your population? You have to wonder how many are sympathetic to the cause.

As I said, we don't bomb civilian targets and do not use air cover or artillery.

No but you do allow other people to bomb civilian targets.