ATOT's 4th Annual Yahoo Auction PPR KEEPER Fantasy Football League

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TangoJuliet

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Here are some proposals for purchasing/selling players

Selling

As I posted earlier I proposed that every team get one free player to sell. If a team chose to sell other players it would count towards their keepers for the upcoming season. As it is currently proposed a player would be sold for their keeper price.

Selling Alternatives

No restrictions would be placed on teams. Sales would not count against their 3 keepers however the selling team would get a fixed dollar amount ($10?) no matter what their keeper value was. The buying team would still have to purchase the player at the full value.

Example:

Team A owns McCoy @ $49
Team B purchases McCoy for $49
Team A receives $10 in draft cash

This would give an incentive to sell players that hold a keeper value less than $10 but are projected to be more for the upcoming season.

Bidding/Priority

I had suggested earlier that we base buying priority based on last season's standings (reverse order).

Players for Sale

Each team should prepare a list of players they wish to sell. This list will be posted here and a deadline should be made to complete all transactions. No owner should be forced to sell or fear that players will be poached from their roster.

Refusal

For competitive reasons an owner should have the right to refuse selling a player to a team. If a team is denied a player they should not lose their priority (waiver) position and the selling team would be docked $10 in draft cash. The player in question would no longer be available for purchase and would be returned to the draft pool.

Keeper Dates

Keeper sales shall be completed one week prior to keepers being finalized. Teams shall designate their keepers one week prior to the draft.

Throwback

In the event that a team purchases a keeper but chooses not to select that player as a keeper due to injury, etc the purchasing team should be afforded the opportunity to return the player to the draft pool. The purchasing team would receive 50% of the purchase price back in draft cash. The team that sold the player would remain unaffected.

Keepers

The keeper limits would still remain. Teams can only keep 3 players for 2 years.

That was my rough draft on keepers/keeper purchases. If there is anything else you would like to propose please post them here. I will add the rules to the main page once we finalize them. I would like to finalize these rules in the next week or so and then open up the sales.
 

glenn1

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Thanks for your hard work on this. Unsure if I truly understand the "$10" thing but I suppose that's so one owner couldn't accumulate an extra couple hundred in auction funds? The only concern I'd have with that is a flat rate might discourage owners from selling players whose projected draft cost is more than $10 above what their keeper cost would be. Maybe flat $10 plus a percentage of the excess value of projected draft price minus keeper cost? e.g. I have Player A at keeper cost of $10 whose projected auction value is $50, why would I sell him for $10 and let someone else have him as a keeper for $10?
 

TangoJuliet

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Thanks for your hard work on this. Unsure if I truly understand the "$10" thing but I suppose that's so one owner couldn't accumulate an extra couple hundred in auction funds? The only concern I'd have with that is a flat rate might discourage owners from selling players whose projected draft cost is more than $10 above what their keeper cost would be. Maybe flat $10 plus a percentage of the excess value of projected draft price minus keeper cost? e.g. I have Player A at keeper cost of $10 whose projected auction value is $50, why would I sell him for $10 and let someone else have him as a keeper for $10?

You are selling the player to the team for his keeper price. The buying team pays the full price and that amount is deducted from their draft cash. The team that sold the player doesn't get that amount back but rather a fixed amount. This is to keep balance during the draft. If a team was able to sell their players and get the full cost back they'd possibly have a chance of having $500 in draft cash.

So if you sell a $50 player the buying team is paying $50 for him but you only get $10 for it.

Take my team for example
If I sold newton, McCoy, Gronk and Julio I'd have over $150 in extra draft cash but no keepers. With $350 in draft cash I would be able to monopolize the draft. Restricting it to $10 seems like a way to avoid something like that
 

glenn1

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You are selling the player to the team for his keeper price. The buying team pays the full price and that amount is deducted from their draft cash. The team that sold the player doesn't get that amount back but rather a fixed amount. This is to keep balance during the draft. If a team was able to sell their players and get the full cost back they'd possibly have a chance of having $500 in draft cash.

So if you sell a $50 player the buying team is paying $50 for him but you only get $10 for it.

Take my team for example
If I sold newton, McCoy, Gronk and Julio I'd have over $150 in extra draft cash but no keepers. With $350 in draft cash I would be able to monopolize the draft. Restricting it to $10 seems like a way to avoid something like that

Okay, makes sense. How about one tweak - instead of straight $10, how about consensus draft value or $10, whichever is less? That would avoid cases where two teams agree to sell each other a $1 keeper valued at $2 draft projection and each pocket $8 in extra draft funds.
 

TangoJuliet

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Okay, makes sense. How about one tweak - instead of straight $10, how about consensus draft value or $10, whichever is less? That would avoid cases where two teams agree to sell each other a $1 keeper valued at $2 draft projection and each pocket $8 in extra draft funds.

Yeah that sounds good. Didnt consider a scenario like that but its ok with me. Wish some of the other guys would chime in.
 

TangoJuliet

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We are just waiting on SJWaste to register and then we'll have all 10 ATOT teams back. I will then open up the last 2 teams to anyone that is interested in playing. Those team's rosters were posted earlier. It will be a first come first served basis.

Once the league has been filled we can proceed with the buying/selling.
 

glenn1

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Maybe edit the thread title to let folks know we're looking for new owners?
 

dougp

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FYI Glenn, I'm not ignoring your PM, I just haven't decided what I'm going to do yet. The rules have transformed a bit.
 

TangoJuliet

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Ok. All 10 are now signed up. I'll edit the thread later or if a mod reads this can you change it to read that we are looking for 2 new owners.
 

TangoJuliet

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Edited first page but need a mod to edit the thread title.

We are looking for 2 new owners to take over Stillers and Heres the Scenario. The rosters from those teams are posted on the first page.

We also need a ruling on how to treat the keeper sales. Do we go capped or uncapped - meaning do the sales count towards a team's keeper or not. I described it in the OP so please reference it there.

Do we still want to go with the $25 buy in? What about payouts?
 

TangoJuliet

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For Sale List (capped at 1 sale)

Cam Newton Car - QB $37
LeSean McCoy Phi - RB $49
Dennis Pitta Bal - TE $4
T.Y. Hilton Ind - WR $29
Rob Gronkowski NE - TE $27
Lamar Miller Mia - RB $20
Julio Jones Atl - WR $43
 
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sjwaste

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I didn't read the thread before registering. Do we have any obligation at all to sell players?

Also, can you remind me, Peyton Manning is keeper-eligible for 1 more year for me, right? I kept him last year, but picked him up as an FA the year prior. The rule is that we can designate a player a keeper twice?
 

glenn1

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Prefer the capped sales rule, seems like it strikes the right balance. Will figure out who I have available to sell soon.
 

TangoJuliet

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I didn't read the thread before registering. Do we have any obligation at all to sell players?

Also, can you remind me, Peyton Manning is keeper-eligible for 1 more year for me, right? I kept him last year, but picked him up as an FA the year prior. The rule is that we can designate a player a keeper twice?

You are not obligated to sell anyone nor can anyone buy someone off your roster without your approval.

Manning is not eligible to be kept. I drafted him for $18 and traded him to you in 2012. You selected him as a keeper in 2013. Players can only be kept for 2 years.
 

glenn1

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You are not obligated to sell anyone nor can anyone buy someone off your roster without your approval.

Manning is not eligible to be kept. I drafted him for $18 and traded him to you in 2012. You selected him as a keeper in 2013. Players can only be kept for 2 years.

So if we go "capped" can owners opt out of future sales once their "free" player sells? How about a hybrid option 3 - owners are not capped on sales, but their proceeds are reduced by each additional sale after ther first; e.g.

1st sold = lesser of $10 or projected value
2nd sold = lesser of $7 or projected value
3rd sold = lesser of $3 or projected value
4th and beyond = $1

Also, no opting out once the trade period opens - if you put up a slate of 6 guys to sell, all 6 might get sold, netting you $1 each for the 4th thru 6th guys even if the difference between their keeper price and projected value was a lot more than the $1. I'd keep the same $10 penalty for refusing to sell a player in this system.
 

TangoJuliet

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So if we go "capped" can owners opt out of future sales once their "free" player sells? How about a hybrid option 3 - owners are not capped on sales, but their proceeds are reduced by each additional sale after ther first; e.g.

1st sold = lesser of $10 or projected value
2nd sold = lesser of $7 or projected value
3rd sold = lesser of $3 or projected value
4th and beyond = $1

Also, no opting out once the trade period opens - if you put up a slate of 6 guys to sell, all 6 might get sold, netting you $1 each for the 4th thru 6th guys even if the difference between their keeper price and projected value was a lot more than the $1. I'd keep the same $10 penalty for refusing to sell a player in this system.

You bring up a good point but I'd prefer not to reduce the proceeds. It just seems like it could get confusing. How about instead of sellers being able to opt out they just list the maximum amount of transactions they want to do.

Take my team for example - I listed 8 players that I was willing to sell. I really just want to sell one so it doesn't subtract from my 2014 keepers. So I'll write in the post all 8 are available but my team is limited to one sale.
 

Imported

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Selling/buying being done before deciding keepers right? I know which 3 keepers I want.. but I imagine I'd have to drop one to buy someone.

Edit: NVM. Didn't see OP was updated with everything.
 
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glenn1

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Here's my draft list of players of keepers for sale pending final determination of the rules, i'll sell 2 if we go with capped sales.

Jeremy Maclin (WR – PHI) $1
Latavius Murray (RB – OAK) $1
Mike Glennon (QB – TB) $1
Marcus Lattimore (RB – SF) $2
Tyler Eifert (TE – CIN) $2
Bernard Pierce (RB – BAL) $7
Vick Ballard (RB – IND) $10
Pierre Thomas (RB – NO) $10
Ryan Tannenhill (QB – MIA) $12
Chris Ivory (RB – NYJ) $14
Wes Welker (WR – DEN) $21
Marques Colston (WR – NO) $26

Edit: scratch Ballard since he blew out his Achilles since I posted this.
 
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WhiteTigerWoods

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My name is Christian and this seems to be a very well run league (Props to you Commish). If I am able to join this league I'd like to take of Stillers Roster.

- Thanks Hopefully I hear from you guys soon
 

TangoJuliet

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Thanks for your interest white tiger woods. There are 2 spots open but we are really looking for established AT members right now. In a couple weeks if there is still a spot then I will get in touch. That being said welcome to the forums!