ATOT's 4th Annual Yahoo Auction PPR KEEPER Fantasy Football League

[dougp]

Thomas, Stacy and Hopkins is who I'd go with.

Living in Houston, I don't think that'd be the best move. I might be better off with Olsen over him.

 

[glenn1]

Are any offseason trades (for potential keepers) going to be draft cash only, or are we going to open it up to direct player trades?

 

[Imported]

Living in Houston, I don't think that'd be the best move. I might be better off with Olsen over him.

I forgot that Fitzpatrick is the starter.

 

[TangoJuliet]

Are any offseason trades (for potential keepers) going to be draft cash only, or are we going to open it up to direct player trades?

I think we should just keep it simple and trade keepers for cash. If this works well this off-season then we can open it up for player-player trades next year.

That being said......

We need to vote on these issues:

(1) Reduce draft budget from $250 to $200. Recalculate all keepers at 80%. Players with fractional values will be rounded up from .5 and rounded down from .4

(2) Allow trading of keepers for draft cash. Teams will still only be allowed to retain 3 keepers for a maximum of 2 years. The keeper can only be sold for his 2014 keeper value (2013's draft value or FAAB value whichever is higher).

(3) Roster composition: Reduce WR slots from 3 to 2. Add additional W/R/T. Add IR spot

 

[TangoJuliet]

(2) Allow trading of keepers for draft cash. Teams will still only be allowed to retain 3 keepers for a maximum of 2 years. The keeper can only be sold for his 2014 keeper value (2013's draft value or FAAB value whichever is higher).

Using dougp's team as an example:

Here are his potential keepers.

Ray Rice (Bal - RB) $73
DeSean Jackson (Phi - WR) $16
Jay Cutler (Chi - QB) $5
Andy Dalton (Cin - QB) $7
Greg Olsen (Car - TE) $14
Danny Woodhead (SD - RB) $10
Ben Tate (Hou - RB) $7
Michael Floyd (Ari - WR) $1
DeAndre Hopkins (Hou - WR) $1
Zac Stacy (StL - RB) $3
Julius Thomas (Den - TE) $1
Julian Edelman (NE - WR) $39
Garrett Graham (Hou - TE) $14
Delanie Walker (Ten - TE) $5

He decides to keep Floyd, Thomas and Hopkins.

My team only has 2 keepers and would like to "purchase" one from Doug. I pay Doug $7 for Tate and that money is subtracted from my draft budget ($193) and added to Doug's ($207).

Sound good/need tweaks?

 

[glenn1]

I think we should just keep it simple and trade keepers for cash. If this works well this off-season then we can open it up for player-player trades next year.

That being said......

We need to vote on these issues:

(1) Reduce draft budget from $250 to $200. Recalculate all keepers at 80%. Players with fractional values will be rounded up from .5 and rounded down from .4

(2) Allow trading of keepers for draft cash. Teams will still only be allowed to retain 3 keepers for a maximum of 2 years. The keeper can only be sold for his 2014 keeper value (2013's draft value or FAAB value whichever is higher).

(3) Roster composition: Reduce WR slots from 3 to 2. Add additional W/R/T. Add IR spot

OK on all 3. Didn't think we used 3xWR last year though. So roster in go forward would be like this?

QB, RB1, RB2, WR1, WR2, TE, Flex1 (W/R/T), Flex 2 (W/R/T), SuperFlex (QB/W/R/T), DEF, K, Bench 1-5 (?), IR.

 

[KeithTalent]

Fine with all three.

KT

 

[TangoJuliet]

QB, RB1, RB2, WR1, WR2, TE, Flex1 (W/R/T), Flex 2 (W/R/T), SuperFlex (QB/W/R/T), DEF, K, Bench 1-5 (?), IR.

I thought we had 3 WRs but I was wrong. So in that case I think we should just leave everything the same as last year except add the IR spot. I don't want to have 2 flexs and a super flex. I think one of each is perfect.

 

[Imported]

Using dougp's team as an example:

Here are his potential keepers.

Ray Rice (Bal - RB) $73
DeSean Jackson (Phi - WR) $16
Jay Cutler (Chi - QB) $5
Andy Dalton (Cin - QB) $7
Greg Olsen (Car - TE) $14
Danny Woodhead (SD - RB) $10
Ben Tate (Hou - RB) $7
Michael Floyd (Ari - WR) $1
DeAndre Hopkins (Hou - WR) $1
Zac Stacy (StL - RB) $3
Julius Thomas (Den - TE) $1
Julian Edelman (NE - WR) $39
Garrett Graham (Hou - TE) $14
Delanie Walker (Ten - TE) $5

He decides to keep Floyd, Thomas and Hopkins.

My team only has 2 keepers and would like to "purchase" one from Doug. I pay Doug $7 for Tate and that money is subtracted from my draft budget ($193) and added to Doug's ($207).

Sound good/need tweaks?

For some reason I think if you sell a keeper, it should reduce what you can keep from 3 to 2. Otherwise I just see an balance issue. Three keepers + extra cash seems like a lot for one person.

 

[TangoJuliet]

For some reason I think if you sell a keeper, it should reduce what you can keep from 3 to 2. Otherwise I just see an balance issue. Three keepers + extra cash seems like a lot for one person.

If you limit the keepers then I think it will prohibit trading. We can try it out this year and see how it plays out. If it works well then we can tweak it. If it doesn't then we can just scrap it.

 

[TangoJuliet]

Could somebody update the spreadsheet to show the new values based on $200 budget (80% value)?

This is the feedback I have gotten regarding selling players & keepers.
Every team will have the opportunity to sell one player for draft cash. The player cannot be sold for more than his 2014 value. The player that is purchased will count towards that team's 2014 keeper. That means if you purchase a player you can only hold over 2 eligible keepers from the 2013 season.

If a team wants to sell more than one player then it would count as one of their keepers.
Example

Team 1 sells 3 players for draft cash. Team 1 will only be able to keep one player from the 2013 season.

I think this is a fair way to go about this. If this goes well then we can continue this again next season and open it up to trading keepers as well.

 

[Imported]

Okay. I think I got the values updated to 80%. Anyone not on the list who is on a current team is $1. I don't have the time to go back through all the $0 waiver pickups from the year.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ajp_4--b9UWydFJyVF82YUVzUGJralhDdEVxRDQ5Umc&usp=sharing

Let me know if anyone sees a change I need to make.

Should note - current teams for each player aren't listed. Link to final rosters: http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2013/6326/rosters?date=2014-07-11&week=17&mid=1

 

[Imported]

What happens if more than one person wants to buy the same player?

I have one player I definitely I want to keep - Alshon Jeffrey. Remaining spots depend on who is out there.

 

[TangoJuliet]

What happens if more than one person wants to buy the same player?

I have one player I definitely I want to keep - Alshon Jeffrey. Remaining spots depend on who is out there.

Want to do a waiver system based on last year's final standings? Worst team gets first priority and so on.....

I don't plan on buying anyone but I'm debating on selling McCoy and Gronk if anyone is interested.

 

[dougp]

What happens if more than one person wants to buy the same player?

I have one player I definitely I want to keep - Alshon Jeffrey. Remaining spots depend on who is out there.

Sellers choice IMO.

 

[TangoJuliet]

Sellers choice IMO.

I don't know....seems like there could be issues by doing it that way. There could be accusations of collusion or people feeling like someone is screwing them because their team is always/is good, etc.

 

[Imported]

Want to do a waiver system based on last year's final standings? Worst team gets first priority and so on.....

I don't plan on buying anyone but I'm debating on selling McCoy and Gronk if anyone is interested.

So possible players for sale will only be ones the original team puts up?

 

[glenn1]

So possible players for sale will only be ones the original team puts up?

I don't see why you wouldn't want to be open to sell anyone you're not keeping? No matter whether I keep 1, 2, 3, or 0 you can be sure everyone else on my team is for sale. That being said I think there should be a "keeper trade deadline" a couple weeks before we finalize our keeper decisions. So it would be something like:

July 31st - keeper sales end
Aug 15th - owners finalize keeper choices
Sept 1st - draft

Personally I think the process should be first come, first served. Whoever makes first offer to buy someone should get him, with current owner having right of refusal but that decision is final and can't sell to anyone else.

 

[Imported]

In case I want that player via auctions is the only reason I could think of. Say you have 4 on your team you like but can't keep all 4.. hope the last slips through?

 

[glenn1]

Okay, I've cleaned up the list and cross-ref'd the players and 2014 keeper cost with their current teams. Per my understanding of the rules from last year, only players on teams' final rosters at season end are eligible to be keepers. So if you drafted someone but subsequently dropped him and he wasn't rostered at season end, he won't be on here. Perhaps we can start by agreeing to this as the "official" list for now (I'm happy for anyone to QC my work and fix any errors I may have made).

Another possible way to handle keeper sales is for everyone to make a ranked list of who they'd like to buy and they get allocated accordingly. In case a player gets requested by multiple teams, higher priority wins. Tie breaker could be reverse order of final season standing.

Team 1 (1st in 2013 league): Player A (1st priority), Player B (2nd priority), Player C (3rd priority).
Team 2 (3rd in 2013 league): Player B (1st priority), Player A (2nd priority), Player C (3rd priority).
Team 3 (12th in 2013 league): Player B (1st priority), Player A (2nd priority), Player C (3rd priority).


Team 1 would get Player A since they used #1 priority on him. Team 3 would get player B since both 1 and 2 requested him, but team 3 had worse record. Team 2 would get Player C since the others got their picks already.




https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13OgcjpwUCQ2se9qDQ7iC8BtVABro1rUTPoO1x4oAT8Q/edit?usp=sharing

 

[dougp]

Access denied on that spreadsheet, glenn.

 

[Imported]

Awesome, thanks for cleaning up the list. Yes, only players still on the final roster eligible to be kept.

 

[glenn1]

Access denied on that spreadsheet, glenn.

Hmmm... can you try this link and let me know if it's still an issue?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13OgcjpwUCQ2se9qDQ7iC8BtVABro1rUTPoO1x4oAT8Q/edit?usp=sharing

 

[glenn1]

In case I want that player via auctions is the only reason I could think of. Say you have 4 on your team you like but can't keep all 4.. hope the last slips through?

I guess everyone can submit an affirmative list of players they're willing to sell, and other teams can pick off that list? I'd like to avoid the situation where I express interest in buying Player A, and then the owner refuses my request because he suddenly realizes the player is more valuable than he thought. This shouldn't be a fishing expedition to find out what other owners value the players on your team in advance of the draft.

 

[TangoJuliet]

I'm drafting up some rules for selling players. There are a couple of different ways to go about it. I'll post it probably some time tomorrow